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sony 3000es anomaly?
« on: November 25, 2005, 06:23:19 PM »
i can only get my sub to work w/ sources up to 24/48. the sub and the A.F.D. option does NOT work while playing 24/96 dvd-a's. any suggestions? in the troubleshooting section it mentions that the soundfields do NOT work for sources over 24/48. this is a deal breaker. :-\
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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2005, 06:27:14 PM »
Weird....

Just got mine today - haven't hooked it up yet (and also don't have a DVD-A to test).

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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2005, 06:41:45 PM »
dont get me wrong, the frickin box sings, but i need bass. my bookshelfs cant do it all.
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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2005, 07:45:16 PM »
First off, take it out of AFD mode and set your input to coax, opti, analog - whatever. Put it in direct mode. This really does sound better.

If I put in a Wavelab 2496 DVD-A into my Pioneer DV-578A, the Sony will show 96kHz stream on the display. So I know it is getting the signal. If I put in a store-bought (read copy protected) DVD-A, my receiver shows a 48kHz stream. My dvd player downsamples all copyprotected DVD-A's to 2448 through the digital output. Maybe this is your problem. I read a discussion on audioasylum about the AFD and the prevailing opinion was that is sounds better off - so this is what I did. I have tried it both ways and am not sure if I hear a difference (although using Direct is def an improvement), byt ymmv. Give it a go ;D

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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2005, 09:09:40 AM »
i noticed this as well.   when i plug the 722 direct into the receiver it shows a 96 stream but will not change out of 2 channel mode.  i want the sub in that scenario as well so let me know if you figure it out.

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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2005, 03:13:18 PM »
these 24/96 dvd-a's were all created in wavelab. none of them are store bought. i knew that direct would sound better, but the sub doesnt work at all on direct. i have assigned the correct inputs. the only time the sub works is in A.F.D 2.1 mode as long as the source is not 24/96. everything else movies, tv, cd's, dvd-a's up to 24/48 the sub works fine. so it sounds like im fuct. for referecce, my source is a pioneer 563-a assigned to optical>scad input and pioneer dvr cable box assigned to coax>dvd.
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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2005, 03:26:11 PM »
these 24/96 dvd-a's were all created in wavelab. none of them are store bought. i knew that direct would sound better, but the sub doesnt work at all on direct. i have assigned the correct inputs. the only time the sub works is in A.F.D 2.1 mode as long as the source is not 24/96. everything else movies, tv, cd's, dvd-a's up to 24/48 the sub works fine. so it sounds like im fuct. for referecce, my source is a pioneer 563-a assigned to optical>scad input and pioneer dvr cable box assigned to coax>dvd.


hrmm... I have same DVD player too. (great unit IMO).

What version of wavelab are you using (out of curiosity).

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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2005, 03:28:57 PM »
5.0a. agreed on the 563. love it.
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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2005, 05:59:51 PM »
these 24/96 dvd-a's were all created in wavelab. none of them are store bought. i knew that direct would sound better, but the sub doesnt work at all on direct. i have assigned the correct inputs. the only time the sub works is in A.F.D 2.1 mode as long as the source is not 24/96. everything else movies, tv, cd's, dvd-a's up to 24/48 the sub works fine. so it sounds like im fuct. for referecce, my source is a pioneer 563-a assigned to optical>scad input and pioneer dvr cable box assigned to coax>dvd.

that really bites. My only suggestion would be to set the Pioneer to downsample to 2448, but then that kinda defeats the purpose of 2496. This really eats it - I do not have a sub so I never noticed this before - def not cool - but not a deal breaker for me. If I had a sub though..... :banging head:
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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2005, 11:58:17 PM »
funny you mention downsampling. i used to downsample to 24/48 just to make a show fit on one disk, but i could hear the difference, so i stopped doing that. oh well.  :banging head: <~~me
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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2005, 12:08:03 PM »
I currently have mine setup to run stereo w/sub through the AFD. It does sound different, but atleast its outputting a signal to the sub. One thing I guess that could be done, is run a Y cable from the L/R pre outs, to a sub???  I dont know how much diff it'd sound, but it'd be an option...

What I thought was kind of frustrating was I had to have a multichannel source playing in order to setup the AFD to create the SW channel for stereo playback.... that was very irritating.


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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2005, 04:56:31 PM »
drew got it figured out yet? sounds complicated, my ideal is you come and set it up here and make it play
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2005, 08:54:55 PM »
drew got it figured out yet? sounds complicated, my ideal is you come and set it up here and make it play

can do.


I currently have mine setup to run stereo w/sub through the AFD. It does sound different, but atleast its outputting a signal to the sub. One thing I guess that could be done, is run a Y cable from the L/R pre outs, to a sub???  I dont know how much diff it'd sound, but it'd be an option...

What I thought was kind of frustrating was I had to have a multichannel source playing in order to setup the AFD to create the SW channel for stereo playback.... that was very irritating.




i will try this. thanks +t.
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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2005, 12:10:54 PM »
I got a DVDA to play with sub last night (24/48). If only my MT would record digi in at 24/96 I could test it that... ;)

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Re: sony 3000es anomaly?
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2005, 07:32:42 AM »
I currently have mine setup to run stereo w/sub through the AFD. It does sound different, but atleast its outputting a signal to the sub. One thing I guess that could be done, is run a Y cable from the L/R pre outs, to a sub???  I dont know how much diff it'd sound, but it'd be an option...

What I thought was kind of frustrating was I had to have a multichannel source playing in order to setup the AFD to create the SW channel for stereo playback.... that was very irritating.



While this might work, I would think that if the fronts are set to small you would only be outputting freq. abouve the crossover point selected.

 

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