Topic: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder for DSLR cameras

[jmerin]

hey all what do you have your pan settings at.... I recorded a show and the for the first  band, the levels were extremely low. The levels for the second band were extremely high. There was not a difference in the level of the PA. Thanks...

I have the level of Gain set to low and my pan is : channel 1: left 12, channel 2: Left 12 Channel 3 Left 12 Channel 4 Right 12

I ran Mk4> sax> Tascam xlr
MK21 > tiny box >Tascam xlr

[Life In Rewind]

hey all what do you have your pan settings at.... I recorded a show and the for the for band, the levels were extremely low. The levels for the second band were extremely high. There was not a difference in the level of the PA. Thanks...

I have the level of Gain set to low and my pan is : channel 1: left 12, channel 2: Left 12 Channel 3 Left 12 Channel 4 Right 12

I guess it depends on how the recorder is saving the files. Are you getting 2 stereo wav files or 4 mono wav files?

If 4 - no need to pan. If 2 - then pan.

[jmerin]

hey all what do you have your pan settings at.... I recorded a show and the for the for band, the levels were extremely low. The levels for the second band were extremely high. There was not a difference in the level of the PA. Thanks...

I have the level of Gain set to low and my pan is : channel 1: left 12, channel 2: Left 12 Channel 3 Left 12 Channel 4 Right 12

I guess it depends on how the recorder is saving the files. Are you getting 2 stereo wav files or 4 mono wav files?

If 4 - no need to pan. If 2 - then pan.

I am getting a stereo track for 1 2 and a stereo track for 3 4.

I do not understand why the levels would be way off from each band.

[Life In Rewind]

hey all what do you have your pan settings at.... I recorded a show and the for the for band, the levels were extremely low. The levels for the second band were extremely high. There was not a difference in the level of the PA. Thanks...

I have the level of Gain set to low and my pan is : channel 1: left 12, channel 2: Left 12 Channel 3 Left 12 Channel 4 Right 12

I guess it depends on how the recorder is saving the files. Are you getting 2 stereo wav files or 4 mono wav files?

If 4 - no need to pan. If 2 - then pan.

I am getting a stereo track for 1 2 and a stereo track for 3 4.

I do not understand why the levels would be way off from each band.

You're referring to the board feed?

[Life In Rewind]

hey all what do you have your pan settings at.... I recorded a show and the for the for band, the levels were extremely low. The levels for the second band were extremely high. There was not a difference in the level of the PA. Thanks...

I have the level of Gain set to low and my pan is : channel 1: left 12, channel 2: Left 12 Channel 3 Left 12 Channel 4 Right 12

I guess it depends on how the recorder is saving the files. Are you getting 2 stereo wav files or 4 mono wav files?

If 4 - no need to pan. If 2 - then pan.

I am getting a stereo track for 1 2 and a stereo track for 3 4.

I do not understand why the levels would be way off from each band.

I guess it would be obvious from the files if you had used the "Dual Record" function and had a set of files that were Xdb lower than the others.

[jmerin]

hey all what do you have your pan settings at.... I recorded a show and the for the for band, the levels were extremely low. The levels for the second band were extremely high. There was not a difference in the level of the PA. Thanks...

I have the level of Gain set to low and my pan is : channel 1: left 12, channel 2: Left 12 Channel 3 Left 12 Channel 4 Right 12

I guess it depends on how the recorder is saving the files. Are you getting 2 stereo wav files or 4 mono wav files?

If 4 - no need to pan. If 2 - then pan.

I am getting a stereo track for 1 2 and a stereo track for 3 4.

I do not understand why the levels would be way off from each band.

I guess it would be obvious from the files if you had used the "Dual Record" function and had a set of files that were Xdb lower than the others.

I do not believe that I had duel record on. Duel record mixes all 4 channels right. I will tape another show on Friday and see what happens.

[Cheesecadet]

hey all what do you have your pan settings at.... I recorded a show and the for the first  band, the levels were extremely low. The levels for the second band were extremely high. There was not a difference in the level of the PA. Thanks...

I have the level of Gain set to low and my pan is : channel 1: left 12, channel 2: Left 12 Channel 3 Left 12 Channel 4 Right 12

I ran Mk4> sax> Tascam xlr
MK21 > tiny box >Tascam xlr

Mine are set the same way and I recorded as two separate stereo tracks that could be mixed later.  My first recording came out nice I thought.

[Cheesecadet]

hey all what do you have your pan settings at.... I recorded a show and the for the for band, the levels were extremely low. The levels for the second band were extremely high. There was not a difference in the level of the PA. Thanks...

I have the level of Gain set to low and my pan is : channel 1: left 12, channel 2: Left 12 Channel 3 Left 12 Channel 4 Right 12

I guess it depends on how the recorder is saving the files. Are you getting 2 stereo wav files or 4 mono wav files?

If 4 - no need to pan. If 2 - then pan.

I am getting a stereo track for 1 2 and a stereo track for 3 4.

I do not understand why the levels would be way off from each band.

I guess it would be obvious from the files if you had used the "Dual Record" function and had a set of files that were Xdb lower than the others.

I do not believe that I had duel record on. Duel record mixes all 4 channels right. I will tape another show on Friday and see what happens.

I don't believe Dual Record mixes all 4 channels.  I believe it records one stereo input at the gain you set and then it records a duplicate of that source at a -6dB setting as a "safety" track.

[vanark]

I don't believe Dual Record mixes all 4 channels.  I believe it records one stereo input at the gain you set and then it records a duplicate of that source at a -6dB setting as a "safety" track.

Correct.

[stevetoney]

hey all what do you have your pan settings at.... I recorded a show and the for the first  band, the levels were extremely low. The levels for the second band were extremely high. There was not a difference in the level of the PA. Thanks...

I have the level of Gain set to low and my pan is : channel 1: left 12, channel 2: Left 12 Channel 3 Left 12 Channel 4 Right 12

I ran Mk4> sax> Tascam xlr
MK21 > tiny box >Tascam xlr

Mine are set the same way and I recorded as two separate stereo tracks that could be mixed later.  My first recording came out nice I thought.

Cheese. 

I don't have a 70d but I've had a 744 and a 680, so Jon and I have been texting and trying to figure out the menu structure, so I've read through the manual.  I'm confused about the pan setting on the input menu, especially with respect to your response above.  The manual does a lousy job of explaining it, but unless I'm misunderstanding, the pan setting needs to be correct in order for your channels to be written properly onto your recorded files.

Since Jon said that channel 1 is set to left 12 and channel two is also set to left 12, wouldn't that mean that you are routing the same mic input onto both channels 1 and 2?  In other words, I'd think you'd want channel 1 to be assigned left 12 and channel two to be assigned right 12 so that your recording comes out in stereo.

Also, if you're running four mics the way Jon is running them (two separate rigs), wouldn't the routing for channels three and four be left 34 and right 34?  If they are left 12 and right 12, then wouldn't you simply be recording the same pair of mics on channels 3 and 4 as you're recording onto channels 1 and 2?

Unless I am misunderstanding the pan function on the inputs, if left 12 is selected on 3 out of the four channels as you've stated above, it seems to me that you're recording only one out of the four mics onto three separate recorded channels.

Finally, for the type of recording we all do (two mic stereo recording) I can't figure out when or why anyone would ever choose 'center' on the pan menu.

[Cheesecadet]

Sorry, I was typing before thinking.

This past Monday I ran 4 channels into the deck.

I had a pair of DPA4061's > Tinybox > into channels 1/2.  Channel 1 was panned Left @ 12, channel 2 was panned Right @ 12.

The second set of mics were my Peluso CEMC6's for channels 3/4.  Channel 3 was panned left @ 12, channel 4 was panned right @ 12.

That is was gave the correct stereo separation and levels, etc.

I would not ever use center pan unless I was running 3 mice and wanted one as a center channel.  I don't ever see myself doing that since I have 4 mics though.

[stevetoney]

I don't believe Dual Record mixes all 4 channels.  I believe it records one stereo input at the gain you set and then it records a duplicate of that source at a -6dB setting as a "safety" track.

Correct.

From Page 25 of the Manual...

Simultaneously Recording Two Files At Different Input Levels (DUAL REC)

This recorder can simultaneously record a second recording at a different input level along with the regular recording.  For example, when recording with microphones, you can make an oridinary recording with the input level set as high as possible and simultaneously record at a slightly lower input level for safety. 

[stevetoney]

This past Monday I ran 4 channels into the deck.

I had a pair of DPA4061's > Tinybox > into channels 1/2.  Channel 1 was panned Left @ 12, channel 2 was panned Right @ 12.

The second set of mics were my Peluso CEMC6's for channels 3/4.  Channel 3 was panned left @ 12, channel 4 was panned right @ 12.

Thanks for the feedback Cheese.  Helps to clarify. 

So Jon, your channels were peaking at the same level on left and right channels 1 and 2 because you have the same input routed to channel 1/2.  You need to switch pan for channel 2 from left 12 to right 12.  No changes need to be made to the pan setting for channel 3/4.

I would not ever use center pan unless I was running 3 mice and wanted one as a center channel.  I don't ever see myself doing that since I have 4 mics though.

OK, that makes sense.  Thanks.

[jmerin]

This past Monday I ran 4 channels into the deck.

I had a pair of DPA4061's > Tinybox > into channels 1/2.  Channel 1 was panned Left @ 12, channel 2 was panned Right @ 12.

The second set of mics were my Peluso CEMC6's for channels 3/4.  Channel 3 was panned left @ 12, channel 4 was panned right @ 12.

Thanks for the feedback Cheese.  Helps to clarify. 

So Jon, your channels were peaking at the same level on left and right channels 1 and 2 because you have the same input routed to channel 1/2.  You need to switch pan for channel 2 from left 12 to right 12.  No changes need to be made to the pan setting for channel 3/4.

I would not ever use center pan unless I was running 3 mice and wanted one as a center channel.  I don't ever see myself doing that since I have 4 mics though.

OK, that makes sense.  Thanks.

Thanks I will make my changes tonight.

[Ozpeter]

I know nothing of this device, but you may find that panning functions may differ according to circumstance.  For instance, if recording four inputs direct to stereo, panning of those four inputs would be likely to be written to the stereo file as panned.  If recording four inputs to four channels, panning might simply be for monitoring and will not affect the recorded files.  If I had the device, I would check things at home eg by recording in various track combinations but with only one mic actually connected, and pan that left and right and centre while recording, then play it back and see if the panning was recorded or not, etc etc.