Topic: Any recorders that can index on the fly and make a cue file?

[runonce]

the problem with indexing on the fly is the placement of the markers
if you are doing 44.1 to burn as CDs then they may not be on Sector Boundaries

just like the old days of burning CDs directly off DAT with a standalone CD recorder

I think you're still missing the idea here...

If the markers import into CDwave - thats the program that will do the actual track splitting...and the tracks will be, hence, SBE free (thats the whole reason for using CDwave, correct?)

the bit depth shouldn't be an issue...

[darby]

no... I think you're missing the idea
how hard is it to open a WAV file and split tracks?
and I'm talking about sampling rate, not bit depth
if you are doing anything but 16/44.1 then SBEs are a non issue
but alot of folks here still burn to CD, I generally don't
if you have to open your file in CDWave or whatever and align SBEs
then why worry about having markers

[page]

no... I think you're missing the idea
how hard is it to open a WAV file and split tracks?

To do it correctly? half the time of the performance (on average for me). Now, if the OP wants to do it during the show to get an idea and then just line up the starts later, that might shave the time down to a quarter in post, if you don't care how precise the markers are, then it would be load and render (so virtually no time spent tracking). While I personally wouldn't bother during a regular show, I'd think about it during a festival (I have tracked out maybe half of my stuff from FloydFest this year...).

[runonce]

no... I think you're missing the idea
how hard is it to open a WAV file and split tracks?

Not that hard. But if Im standing there at the show. And the band is between songs and I can write the cue then and there just by pushing a button - I will. It'll save me - maybe 10 minutes of post work per set. Sometimes more, sometimes less. But Im gettin old - gotta cut corners!

and I'm talking about sampling rate, not bit depth
if you are doing anything but 16/44.1 then SBEs are a non issue
but alot of folks here still burn to CD, I generally don't

It shouldn't matter.  If this meta tracking info can be imported to CDwave. Then it can then be saved as a cue sheet. I think you can downsample and use the same cue sheet to cut the 16 bit version if need be.

if you have to open your file in CDWave or whatever and align SBEs
then why worry about having markers

Not sure I understand. Im opening the master to cut it into tracks - not to "aling SBEs" - CDwave will automatically cut at the proper SBE.
Ideally, most of the makers will already be there. If I have to add or move 1 or 2, no problem.

Admittedly - this is not a major timesaver.  Just a small modification to a tried and true routine. If my recorder had this feature, Id use it.

It seems a few recorders mentioned had some cueing info features. I guess the next question is what software understands that feature?

[digifish_music]

If anyone has the time to experiment with their R44 or FR2LE - I would appreciate it. Those sound promising...

Thanks!

Here is an Edirol R44 stereo WAV recording 44.1 kHz/24 bit with 4 x markers over the course of the track.

www.digifishmusic.com/public/sounds/R44_44kHz_24bit_Markers.wav

It's about 5 Meg. See if they show in your package.

digifish

[Ozpeter]

Even with the latest firmware, the R44 marking system still works on the basis of having 99 markers preset for each file, placed at the beginning of every file.  When you place a marker during a recording, the current time is added to the data for the next available marker.  So if you place four markers, in your editing software you will probably see 95 markers at zero time, and 4 markers at the times you pressed the button.  They also show in most other software.

The markers show in Reaper, which is an excellent tool for post-processing live recordings.  If you want to get rid of the markers that the R44 parks at the beginning of each file, in Reaper you can simply shorten the left edge of the clip by a tiny amount, so that the markers on the original left edge no longer show up (they're off the left end now). 

There is a command in Reaper to convert the markers currently showing in clips to project markers (instantly), and you can then go through and give these project markers names (eg the titles of the songs).  Using a little utility called "ReaBurn" (written by yours truly, google will find it) you can then automatically create a cue sheet which includes these named markers and burn a CD with appropriate CD text.

[BayTaynt3d]

I use R44 markers for gain changes only, makes them easier to find in post (I used to write down the time code on a piece of paper). I track after the fact, I find that so much easier to place exactly where I want them. But everyone's got their own style for this kind of thing...