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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: ts on January 18, 2013, 02:02:15 PM
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http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=item&category=234&item=24396
Any thoughts on these? I'm not good with charts. :P Price is good.
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Its on the tighter end of the cardioid gamut (per DPA before they posted the graphs). Bennett ran a set for a panic show once (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=552906).
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Kinda like a DPA hyper. :o The only thing I don't like about this series is the additional cap selection is pricey. Although this setup is a great entry, you might as well just jump into some 4021's.
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Kinda like a DPA hyper. :o The only thing I don't like about this series is the additional cap selection is pricey. Although this setup is a great entry, you might as well just jump into some 4021's.
I wouldn't go that far; it has the same 90 and 120 degree rejection values as the 4011 (mildly tighter further back though), but it's not as tight as the gefell m21 at 120degrees which AFAIK is the most open hyper cap.
The benefit here for most is if you want the other caps later without buying the bodies. The reason to get the new bodies is the performance/noise specs are better than the 402x counterparts (THD levels being an example) and these are balanced to the body while the 402x were only balanced at the xlr end, not the cable between. Most people here aren't going to need that but some will be taping in an environment where that's helpful.
If they come out with a true hyper between the 4011 and 4017 then that would be a reason, or if they did a figure 8 as those wouldn't be made for the 402x style.
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I would love to hear a comp between the new 20xx-c and 40xx-c capsules, the 20xx are half the cost for a matched set...
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The benefit here for most is if you want the other caps later without buying the bodies. The reason to get the new bodies is the performance/noise specs are better than the 402x counterparts (THD levels being an example) and these are balanced to the body while the 402x were only balanced at the xlr end, not the cable between. Most people here aren't going to need that but some will be taping in an environment where that's helpful.
In addition to the improved performance, the 4011c is a bit cheaper than the 4021/2/3. And buying a second set of caps, while definitely DPA-priced, is much less expensive than a second pair of compacts. I also like the flexibility in cabling that you get with the compact bodies. I think the modulars are a better deal overall unless you really need the smallest possible option...
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The benefit here for most is if you want the other caps later without buying the bodies. The reason to get the new bodies is the performance/noise specs are better than the 402x counterparts (THD levels being an example) and these are balanced to the body while the 402x were only balanced at the xlr end, not the cable between. Most people here aren't going to need that but some will be taping in an environment where that's helpful.
In addition to the improved performance, the 4011c is a bit cheaper than the 4021/2/3. And buying a second set of caps, while definitely DPA-priced, is much less expensive than a second pair of compacts. I also like the flexibility in cabling that you get with the compact bodies. I think the modulars are a better deal overall unless you really need the smallest possible option...
its tough because there are only a handful of the new mmp-c sets out there and none have turned up used yet, while we can find the older individual lines used easily enough. So comparing the used old ones to the new ones there is a bigger price jump. Thats sort of a duh, but if you start getting multiple caps, thats where even new, it starts to pay off.
As for the 2011 in particular. It will have the same sonic "flavor" as the bigger brother (however ironic that term may be with DPA). I don't have the files handy, but I don't recall being disappointed with what Bennett had done.
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I'm dl'ing it now. Is this the only recording with the 2011c's?
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I'm dl'ing it now. Is this the only recording with the 2011c's?
it's the only one I know of.
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Listening now. I like. I miss my 4023's. The main reason I got rid of them was lack of use relative to their high cost. Another reason was I don't always fight for the sweet spot. But for $1600 I can get back on the team and not feel like I have to be in that spot all the time. ;D
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Thanks for the tip on the source with the 2011's. I have been considering the 2011A but could not find any sources for either. Thanks again, gonna check that wsp source out.
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Thanks for the tip on the source with the 2011's. I have been considering the 2011A but could not find any sources for either. Thanks again, gonna check that wsp source out.
any reason on the full mmp-a body? It's longer and more expensive than the C.
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I have never been partial to compact design in general, do not stealth and most importantly prefer less "body" in low end. The A model would seem best for my needs. Although the price difference is somehting to consider. Wish I cold get a comp with the A but there is not one out there that I know of.
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fair enough. I don't have a grasp on how noticeable DPA's remark about the sonic differences is, but I needed smaller bodies (on stage/stage-lip), and the $300 difference was welcome to me.
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Do you own the mics?
I have no peers on that dl so not sure when I will get my sample source. Thanks for input.
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Do you own the mics?
I have no peers on that dl so not sure when I will get my sample source. Thanks for input.
I have 4015 caps and the mmp-c bodies. I've thought about the 2011 caps, but have other things on my list first.
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Reviving this old thread. I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on these. Here are my pros and cons:
Pros>
a. I have the money now and they are available. :laugh:
b. Combine these with the available DPA cables and you have one small rig, almost active small.
c. The short interference tube with dual card caps sounds like a live PA tapers dream.
d. Price. They are in my budget.
e. the DPA 4018 will soon be available. Not in my budget, but hey, I can always dream.
Cons>
a. If I don't like these caps, what would they be worth used and who would buy them?
b. Only one recording out there. It's a good one, but it's still only one.
c. No comps.
Or should I even be concerned with not liking caps that are relatively cheap in DPA land. $450 each new. Worth $300 each used? I've done dumber things with this hobby.
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Any bets on the possibility of a 2018 showing up before 2018?
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Any bets on the possibility of a 2018 showing up before 2018?
exceedingly unlikely.
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Unlikely I accept, but why exceedingly?
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DPA has traditionally done new cap patterns on a very measured and rare basis. The market for a lower budget cap that is more restrictive than the x011 is probably not big enough to put it on the front burner of priorities. Thats all.
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Yep, that's reasonable.
Although they've had a flurry of new caps and patterns in the past few years, so if that keeps up..
Before your post I was going to edit my last one to add-
Potential conflict with 4018 sales? The 2011 seems more differentiated from the 4011 in my mind than the omnis. Perhaps the 4006 is iconic enough that the 2006 doesn't crowd it too much.
Extending the wish game, I'd like to see a 2015 in 2015 please! 2018 and 2015 caps would make for a mighty fine taper set value. I dig the big DPAs but I can't personally justify their high cost.
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It's made by DPA; I don't think there is any doubt as to its quality.
Getting $$ used depends where you sell it. In the YS here it's probably a non-starter, as people here tend to be skittish about that which they don't know (sometimes, but not always, with good reason). If you wanted to unload them, I'm sure plenty of folks in the professional market would want them, and you'd get a good price on GS or eBay or whatever.
But really, if you like the DPA sound, I find it hard to imagine these wouldn't suit you, especially at that price...
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I dig the big DPAs but I can't personally justify their high cost.
I have yet to find anything that sounds better, so that factors into the cost...
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Or should I even be concerned with not liking caps that are relatively cheap in DPA land. $450 each new. Worth $300 each used? I've done dumber things with this hobby.
I could probably be persuaded to take them off your hands, if you don't like them! I have other things higher up my list, but, if a decent deal for a pair of these came around, I would like to try them...
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I dig the big DPAs but I can't personally justify their high cost.
I have yet to find anything that sounds better, so that factors into the cost...
Scott, what's your take on the 2011's?
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I don't think I've heard of anything done with the 2011s
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Bump. Anyone with experience running these for more than one show in 2012?
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Might want to check these out!
https://www.dpamicrophones.com/pencil/2012-compact-cardioid-microphone
Bump. Anyone with experience running these for more than one show in 2012?
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Yum!
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Might want to check these out!
https://www.dpamicrophones.com/pencil/2012-compact-cardioid-microphone
Bump. Anyone with experience running these for more than one show in 2012?
Pulled the plug and grabbed a set. Backorder, but will be post here when I get to start running them.
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Nice!
Might want to check these out!
https://www.dpamicrophones.com/pencil/2012-compact-cardioid-microphone
Bump. Anyone with experience running these for more than one show in 2012?
Pulled the plug and grabbed a set. Backorder, but will be post here when I get to start running them.
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These buddies are rad!
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Nice size!
Am I correct in assuming the capsule does not detach from the body?
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I believe so. I didn't want to twist and try and find out.
They are a touch smaller than I thought they would be. With the wind screens, only about 2 inches of the body show. More low profile than I thought, but I'm happy about it.
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^ I am actually surprised by how big they are (relatively speaking), as I thought they would be closer in size to the mics with the MMP-C pre-amps. Very curious to hear how they sound!
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I guess I was (in my mind) expecting a little more length. The girth is fine though :coolguy:
For a while back in 09-11 I rand the audix m1280s which were very small as well, switchable caps which were nice….but should be fun to see if these get the whole DPA sound in a smaller price tag (running into mini me)
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^ I am very curious to hear how they sound as well. I toy with the idea of buying a pair of 4011 caps (I already have two pairs of the MMP-C pres), but I wouldn't mind a less expensive option. The case looks pretty good for fitting in a gear bag, as well.
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Nice, they look great! You should have Scott(SRS) make you a DIN bar for them.
I guess I was (in my mind) expecting a little more length. The girth is fine though :coolguy:
For a while back in 09-11 I rand the audix m1280s which were very small as well, switchable caps which were nice….but should be fun to see if these get the whole DPA sound in a smaller price tag (running into mini me)
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Nice, they look great! You should have Scott(SRS) make you a DIN bar for them.
I guess I was (in my mind) expecting a little more length. The girth is fine though :coolguy:
For a while back in 09-11 I rand the audix m1280s which were very small as well, switchable caps which were nice….but should be fun to see if these get the whole DPA sound in a smaller price tag (running into mini me)
On it. I emailed him about 2 weeks ago. Din / ortf are on his radar. Hopefully
By show time end of July.
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For those curious about the case size…
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Woo hoo!!!
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That's slick. Small too. I like it. Looks tidy and easy to set up.
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That's slick. Small too. I like it. Looks tidy and easy to set up.
Yeah, turned out well. Waiting for cables from Ted and other than that I’m ready to roll!
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