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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: Əkoostikal on July 17, 2009, 09:59:44 PM
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Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere here yet, but I just saw this on the Olympus website. Looks pretty much the same as the LS-10 but with 8gigs of internal memory and support of up to 32gig SD cards.
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/product.asp?product=1471
-Estimated Retail Price $399.99
-24 bit/96 kHz Linear PCM Recording. Sound that’s even better than what you hear on a compact disc. Every nuance of every note and syllable is captured and played back with a rich and resonant quality.
-Multiple recording formats: Select from one of three standard recording formats: WAV, MP3 or WMA. The availability of three compatible formats increases the versatility of decisive, on-the-spot audio recording.
-Responsive Pickup, Precision Design. Two precision condenser microphones capture all the sounds with both heightened sensitivity and reduced noise. Their 90-degree outward placement achieves a wider spectrum of sound capture. And the recorder’s rigid aluminum case minimizes vibration for even extra clarity.
-8 GB of internal memory, coupled with as much as 23 hours of battery life, provides many hours of uninterrupted recording. An AC adapter is also available.
-An extra 32 GB of memory is available with an SD or SDHC card. Move files easily between internal and external memory.
-At just over five ounces, with an easy-to-operate interface and aesthetically pleasing design, it is a true ‘anywhere-anytime’ portable digital recorder.
-Two built-in 16mm round dynamic stereo speakers give the small wonder a wonderfully full and vibrant playback. Earphones can also be used.
-A voice synchronization function enables automatic recording when sounds are detected at a pre-set level. There’s auto stop, too.
-Recording preferences can be fine-tuned with a Level function that’s clearly displayed, along with a PEAK indicator, on the recorder’s bright LCD.
-Create Index marks during recording or playback in PCM mode to instantly locate specific portions of the recording that you want to hear.
-With a new File Edit function, you can partially cut or divide your files.
(http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/img/support_images/sup_1471.jpg)
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It would be interesting to see if they eliminated the bass rolloff in the mic preamp. Somehow, I doubt it.
That being said, if you run omnis into the LS-10 mic in, the bass rolloff is good thing.
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No telling for sure what's up with new models until bench tested like done with LS-10 for tech review at www.sonicstudios.com/ls10revw.htm (http://www.sonicstudios.com/ls10revw.htm).
If using the mic input for natural acoustic sounds/acoustic type music purposes, the 100-cycle reduction mostly makes for thin sounding masters needing post restoration work to fully satisfy.
For me, I appreciate the exceptionally clean-of-digital-noise mic input design, and using the line input on the older LS-10 model is without the 100 cycle low frequency bandwidth limitation.
My only wish is for also having 88.2K sample rate like featured Edirol R-09HR and NOW it seems firmware 1.10 corrects for this limitation for the LS-10!
But what about 88.2K for the LS-11?
If one of our USA TS members is kind enough to offer a few weeks return shipping paid loan, and me having the time, I’ll bench test LS-11 for posting technical findings result here.
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That being said, if you run omnis into the LS-10 mic in, the bass rolloff is good thing.
Maybe sometimes, but not always (like guysonic said). I record a lot of music that benefits from the low-end response I get with omnis. In any event, I prefer to choose whether or not to use a rolloff, and at what frequency/steepness it kicks in. YMMV.
I am really curious if they fix this on the new model!
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I knew this was coming - but it looks like they have miised off the two most important things missing from the LS-10.
1 = having the mic.in bass roll-off switchable.
2 = having an optical digital in (ie: dual socket on the line in).
Let's hope for an LS-12.................
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The manual for the LS-11 is available:
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_support_manuals.asp?id=1471
It now also records at 88.2 kHz stereo, and at 44.1 kHz MONO.
Built-in mic freq. response is 60 Hz to 20 kHz. (LS-10 was 70 Hz to 20 kHz.)
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Add a more powerful headphone amp (6.7 mW vs 3.0 mW per channel in the LS-10) to the list of improvements in the LS-11.
The manual says two AA alkaline cells will power a 24/96 recording for 13 hours, up from 8 hours in the LS-10. I think the 8 hour figure was too conservative, and 13 hours is a bit optimistic for typical recording.
The LS-11 can add index marks while recording a WAV file. After recording, the LS-11 can split a file or partially erase it. The LS-10 lacked these features.
The body of the LS-11 seems to be exactly the same as the LS-10, with a few cosmetic differences. The two recorders weigh the same, too.
Flintstone
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Any idea when this will be on the shelves? I don't see it on Musician's Friend or Guitar Center yet.
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Any idea when this will be on the shelves? I don't see it on Musician's Friend or Guitar Center yet.
http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=11813 (http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=11813)
check the video, they say it'll be out late August, beginning of September...
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Voice-Soundfiles on audiotranskription.de
LS-10 vs LS-11
http://www.audiotranskription.de/Olympus-LS-11-PCM-Rekorder
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¡Ojalá que yo hable alemán! ;)
Google Translate to the rescue, even if machine translation tends to suck...
Some interesting highlights:
- It can be used as a USB stereo microphone connected to your PC.
- Better bass response (no frequency response plots, though).
- Mono recording mode.
- Autosplit (the LS-10 can do that with current firmware).
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from the German, translated by Babblefish
"One of the few points of criticism referred to the weaker depth representation.
The Olympus LS-11 improved here. The sound is now also in the deeper bass
regions more fülliger and altogether more balanced."
All right, then!
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I like the 8gb of internal memory... don't even need a card with that much onboard storage. It looks worse in silver though, the LS-10 was pretty sharp in black. Overall though, I can't see this challenging the R-09HR or forthcoming Sony PCM M10, especially at the same price as the M10.
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Hello
Does anyone in the meantime have already some experiences with the LS-11 or better could post some music sound samles :-*
Regards
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First hands-on impressions with the LS-11:
- Yes, it finally has - unlike the LS-10 - a balanced frequency range from high to low on the internal mic, and the mic-in (also with good bass, previously just on the line-in). Having done some classical recordings in the last few days, this is a deciding difference compared to the LS-10. The LS-11 sounds right for music recordings.
- Starting time has much improved. It's now just about 2 seconds with a 4GB SD inside.
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Hello
There are music soundsamples avaliable following the link below:
http://www.audiotranskription.de/vergleichstest-digitaler-rekorder.htm
Indeed the internal mics sound pretty good.
Could you post or send by email also a sample of your recordings maybe as a flac file?
Regards pafnuzzi
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Hi
Any news on the LS-11 or sound samples?
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Okay, who has one of these and using a V3 with it? How do you go from the V3 into it?
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Can't find anything useful in their FAQ:
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_support_faqs.asp?id=1471#15
How are we considering this a useful device when it only has an analog line in?!?!?!?!?!? UGH!!!!!!
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I just got through to their tech support. It does not accept a digital feed. It is useless as a replacement for Microcrappers as a bit bucket. Now I need to send it back.
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Actually I may hold onto it as a stealth device. I'll probably need it for Tift Merritt in July since she only allows hand held recording and handholding the 480's 2 years ago was not fun.
Am I safe in assuming that the A>D in the line in is nowhere near as good as the one in the V3?
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The general wisdom I've seen here is that no handheld has as good a preamp as what you can get from an external unit, nor are the A/D sections as good as those in a V3 or a big all-in-one like a DR-680 or 722. That being said, I haven't been displeased by the LS-10 line-in, and the LS-11 should be similar.
The LS-11 also gets rid of the mic-in bass rolloff that affects the LS-10. Nevertheless, my ears > SP-TFB-2 > LS-10 configuration has given me very nice results without resorting to EQ.
It's worth keeping for low-profile and quickie grab-and-go situations. At some point I want to get a Littlebox, though; using my E-MU 0404 USB as an "analog" preamp adds an extra A->D->A conversion to the chain, not to mention that it needs an external power source and the 0404 is definitely not stealthable.
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If you have an optimod V3 get a Sony PCM D50! It has 4 gigs of internal memory, which you seem to be important to you and you can use memory sticks. The D50 is a much better device than the MT/MT II recorder. Just my 2 cents
Actually I may hold onto it as a stealth device. I'll probably need it for Tift Merritt in July since she only allows hand held recording and handholding the 480's 2 years ago was not fun.
Am I safe in assuming that the A>D in the line in is nowhere near as good as the one in the V3?
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Mine has a damaged word clock or whatever that connection is that gets modded. I did test the LS-11 at Lucero this past Saturday and it did make a very listenable recording. I am glad I got it just to have stealth capability. I'll have to figure out a good hat to hide it in. I am just going back to the MT2496. I have been testing it out with the latest firmware and it is working much better.
If you have an optimod V3 get a Sony PCM D50! It has 4 gigs of internal memory, which you seem to be important to you and you can use memory sticks. The D50 is a much better device than the MT/MT II recorder. Just my 2 cents
Actually I may hold onto it as a stealth device. I'll probably need it for Tift Merritt in July since she only allows hand held recording and handholding the 480's 2 years ago was not fun.
Am I safe in assuming that the A>D in the line in is nowhere near as good as the one in the V3?
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Hi,
I have a couple of questions for you LS-11 owners out there:
- When in USB recording mode (connected as an audio class device), does it record only from the built-in mics or also from the line-in/mic inputs?
- When connected to a PC, is it powered by USB? Or does it need batteries/ AC adapter?
- How about Linux support?
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"no handheld has as good a preamp as what you can get from an external unit,
nor are the A/D sections as good as those in a V3 or a big all-in-one like a DR-680 or 722."
The devices mentioned cost 3 to 5 times more than a handheld like the LS-11
so they darn well better have a superior preamp! Even a MixPre costs twice as
much. Sometimes you get what you pay for.
Flintstone
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Used the LS-11 last night for Tift Merritt and Lincoln Hall and The Ragbirds at Martyrs'. I am very happy with the results. Will post the link to the Ragbirds when I get it on the LMA. Now I need to get an adaptor so I can screw it on top of a stand.
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Here it is:
http://www.archive.org/details/ragbirds2010-07-30.OlympusLS-11
Used the LS-11 last night for Tift Merritt and Lincoln Hall and The Ragbirds at Martyrs'. I am very happy with the results. Will post the link to the Ragbirds when I get it on the LMA. Now I need to get an adaptor so I can screw it on top of a stand.