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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: rowjimmytour on November 17, 2005, 01:26:18 PM
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When you do a stage recording is it essential for the band to have stage moniters to pick up the vocals? I want to record on the stage lip because the bar/rest is noisy out in the crowd and people always trip over my stand. The band plays ampfied acoustic instruments and sings w/ stacks on both sides of stage and center for vocals.
Peace
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Most stage recordings are for bands without vocals. You're probably not going to get much vocal from any source if you are on the stage lip. The stage monitors are pointed towards the singers so they can hear themselves, not towards your mics.
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Are you saying the band performs without monitors? - just a PA front...(some acoustic performers do this in certain settings...)
That would make it a bit hard...and probably sound a bit hollow.
What kind of PA setup are they using? You may have more options...
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No floor monitors for bands with in-ear monitors. I've got some friends who use in-ear and have no floor or side-fill monitors when they play...not even for backup.
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That's it!! When they play my local bar/rest they set up w/ a left, right stack, and center speaker for vocals and yes they use in ear moniters for the vocals. I have tried in the past to be in the sweet spot (magical triangle) and all but the sound bounces around the room a lot and their is a lot of chatting always. I could ask the sound guy for a sound board feed but I prefer audience and would like to pull a good audience tape. Also the stage is only a half a foot of the ground and the right and left stacks are about the same in height. I usually run cards in DIN but probally am thinking of goin' XY if I try the sweet spot in the audince again and I usually run my rig at about 7' ( remember a very chatty crowd after all) even though I would probally get better results at 6-6.5'. I was thinkin' about stage front at 4.5'(h) or so using cards XY @120 degrees or more if the band gives me the okay. Whut do ya think?
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Any way you could hang the mics from the ceiling? Not an onstage idea, but just a way to get the stand out of the way. I'm in the process of permanently hanging a bar from the ceiling at a local venue in the sweet spot. I'm also gonna take the hit and buy a 50' pair of xlrs and run them along the ceiling to the back of the venue where I usually have to tape from. I use to do this when I bartended in college. It was perfect because I didn't have to keep my eye on my rig all night. Just another idea.
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That's it!! When they play my local bar/rest they set up w/ a left, right stack, and center speaker for vocals and yes they use in ear moniters for the vocals. I have tried in the past to be in the sweet spot (magical triangle) and all but the sound bounces around the room a lot and their is a lot of chatting always. I could ask the sound guy for a sound board feed but I prefer audience and would like to pull a good audience tape. Also the stage is only a half a foot of the ground and the right and left stacks are about the same in height. I usually run cards in DIN but probally am thinking of goin' XY if I try the sweet spot in the audince again and I usually run my rig at about 7' ( remember a very chatty crowd after all) even though I would probally get better results at 6-6.5'. I was thinkin' about stage front at 4.5'(h) or so using cards XY @120 degrees or more if the band gives me the okay. Whut do ya think?
matrix?
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I am not sure matrix would sound good because the SDB is of too the side of the audience left wall and far from DFC. Also the place has a low ceiling and the sound bounces all over. If run matirx aud portion would probally only be 30% or less on a good mix right? If you have a off center mess like this would it be worth runnin' or should i go straight SDB?
Peace
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Do they even have amps on-stage, or are their acoustic instruments being mic-ed and/or just going to the PA? Sounds to me like the best tape you're going to get is a straight SBD.
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mic the stage and mix with the board if you can... run your mics on the house snakes and set up by the foh. If it is a mono board you may just want to mic one side of the PA... stage will be pretty shitty with vocals (with or without monitors IMHO).
Matt
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That's it!! When they play my local bar/rest they set up w/ a left, right stack, and center speaker for vocals and yes they use in ear moniters for the vocals. I have tried in the past to be in the sweet spot (magical triangle) and all but the sound bounces around the room a lot and their is a lot of chatting always. I could ask the sound guy for a sound board feed but I prefer audience and would like to pull a good audience tape. Also the stage is only a half a foot of the ground and the right and left stacks are about the same in height. I usually run cards in DIN but probally am thinking of goin' XY if I try the sweet spot in the audince again and I usually run my rig at about 7' ( remember a very chatty crowd after all) even though I would probally get better results at 6-6.5'. I was thinkin' about stage front at 4.5'(h) or so using cards XY @120 degrees or more if the band gives me the okay. Whut do ya think?
For the hell of it I'd try mic'ing close to the PA if they're running a mono mix, most smaller rooms I've encountered do. Try DIN or ORTF, I've had some pretty decent results in some pretty shitty sounding bars/rooms.
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My order for starquads cable and rca ends is coming wednesday and the show is on Thursday. So if I can make my rca cables and get my connecters (XLR-F,XLR-M) on time then I think I well go sound board if not audiece probally in sweet spot (triangle of bliss) XY w/ cards.
Peace
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mic the stage and mix with the board if you can... run your mics on the house snakes and set up by the foh. If it is a mono board you may just want to mic one side of the PA... stage will be pretty shitty with vocals (with or without monitors IMHO).
Matt
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My cables are in and I am goin to make my rca cables today and see about a SDB feed tommorow night w/ possible matrix but probally not.
Peace
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if you have many chances to tape this band / venue, then I HIGHLY recommend trying some sort of matrix. Matt's suggestion of sending your mics through the house snake and then taking a board feed that has both your mics and the PA mix is ideal; you could get a SMOKIN recording.
If this is an important show that needs to be recorded without errors, then my suggestion is XY in the center if the room sounds okay or a stack tape if the room sounds real bad.
I have made MANY recordings (good and bad) in crappy clubs/bars/theatres.
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as for getting vocals with onstage mica, I run hypers, and I tend to get vocals, not as crispy as otherwise, but it worksfor my needs :laugh:
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Just finished my new rca's and I am goin' to see whut happens but I would not mind goin' for a matrix because I haven't tried a SDB or matrix feed ever. By the way the band is HBRSB and they come to town every three months or so. They are very generous w/ SDB feeds but who knows how long that well last aleast for the general public.
Peace
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Just finished my new rca's and I am goin' to see whut happens but I would not mind goin' for a matrix because I haven't tried a SDB or matrix feed ever. By the way the band is HBRSB and they come to town every three months or so. They are very generous w/ SDB feeds but who knows how long that well last aleast for the general public.
Peace
Josh is the man (FOH) i know sometimes he runs a cd-burner from the board but he has still given me a patch , he is really cool, i wouldn't expect any issues getting a patch - gonna catch HBRSB this weekend in Diego, its been a while since i've seen them, SO excited for the show - good luck
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My last spread of butter was at the harvest meltdown in Yosemite! Any how, If ya patch from the CD burner what kinda outs does it have and is it worth goin' CD burner>UA5>NJUB3? Or not? I hope ya pull a kind show down South and for the name of good Butter please post it after.
Peace
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My last spread of butter was at the harvest meltdown in Yosemite! Any how, If ya patch from the CD burner what kinda outs does it have and is it worth goin' CD burner>UA5>NJUB3? Or not? I hope ya pull a kind show down South and for the name of good Butter please post it after.
Peace
i patched RCA outs from Josh, but I believe he said he could give me whatever i needed
couldn't answer the 2nd part about going UA-5 > JB3 - that was my one and only patch and i haven't been to a show where I could get another patch where I wanted to learn to do a matrix. my buddy is gonna give his first try at taping this weekend at the show, so if we can get a full rig together for him, I may try to get a martix from the belly up since I know there will be another AUD source in case I mess things up
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Cool and +t terrapinj!!! Can't waite to try the new rca cables.
Peace
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how'd it go?
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I am not totally sure if it was a complete failure yet but I think so. Josh of course greeted me like he knew me forever and invited me to make my self at home and get comfortable. Any how, hot show but I never ran sound board into my UA5>NJB3 before and was using the back rca inputs in and optical out to my NJB3 w/ the XLR cables still plugged into front (Forgot to unplug) but phantam power off. I am not sure why I could not see levels on my NJB3 even though I cranked up the little knob in back past 3 o'clock. Tonight I am going to check out why it failed if it was a complete failure or not. I am pretty sure I got no signal goin' into NJB3 but was not sure why because when I saw that I tried a SDIf rca cable and I changed the input Digital/anolog also I played w/ moniter on and off. Still no clue.