Topic: What are BK 4011???

[slightlys]

I know they  are mics but made by who? I just picked up a '93 phish show taped with some of these and it hard for me to belive its not a soundboard recording! Its is so clear and detailed! blows my mind!

[dgodwin]

B & K, as in Brüel & Kjaer.  Now DPA (danish pro Audio)  As seen here   Nice mics!

[slightlys]

they are listed at $1900 each ouch! it sucks being broke

[plucks]

I know they are mics but made by who? I just picked up a '93 phish show taped with some of these and it hard for me to belive its not a soundboard recording! Its is so clear and detailed! blows my mind!

It has been agreed upon that while B&K/DPAs may not be as forgiving and therefore consistent as Neumann/Schoeps/AkG, when it all works out, the DPAs will usually blow just about anything out of the water.  When you say it sounds like a soundboard, its not entirely surprising. 

They are expensive, but right now with the way the Euro v Dollar is, most mics have had a price increase in the States.  They are worth the price if you want to invest tho. 

I can't wait to join team DPA one of these days.

[heath]

I can't wait to join team DPA one of these days.

qft

[muj]

you can try the gefell m294/295 to get a similar sound or the sanken cu-31's.

not sure if they are cheaper..but you should find them used somewhere on the wen

[Swanny]

If you are going to buy, get the 402x series. They sound the same but are much smaller.

[Nick's Picks]

I dont think they sound the same as the 4011.
but thats me.

Personaly, I dont like them.  But I have doezens of amazing...astounding AUD sources from them.
funny...I still dont like them.

they are dry sounding to me.  I like a sloppy wet neumann sound.

[Zee]

I dont think they sound the same as the 4011.
but thats me.

Personaly, I dont like them.  But I have doezens of amazing...astounding AUD sources from them.
funny...I still dont like them.

they are dry sounding to me.  I like a sloppy wet neumann sound.

I dont like the 4011s either the 402X series sound a lot better to me. I could be bias but what ever you like what you like....

[leegeddy]

..... I like a sloppy wet neumann sound.

 

me too.

marc

[marc0789]

I dont think they sound the same as the 4011.
but thats me.

Personaly, I dont like them.  But I have doezens of amazing...astounding AUD sources from them.
funny...I still dont like them.

they are dry sounding to me.  I like a sloppy wet neumann sound.

doug had a comment awhile back that he agrees the 4011 and 402x do not sound the same. I agree. I ran the 4011's and I think the bodyless have a bit more warmth and forgiveness...a bit, but enough to make a difference.

I dont like the 4011s either the 402X series sound a lot better to me. I could be bias but what ever you like what you like....

[Nick's Picks]

well, no doubt, the 4011/4022s rock, no matter who likes/dislikes them, they are a benchmark cardioid mic.  I still can't believe the bottom end of a 40hz 4011.  amazing

[JasonSobel]

I still can't believe the bottom end of a 40hz 4011.  amazing

as I'm sure you know, though, the mic does pick up sounds below 40Hz, just not within their +/- 2dB spec for the mic.  and when publishing specs for the mic, they preferred to say 40Hz-20kHz +/-2dB  instead of 20Hz-20kHz +/- 8dB or whatever happens to the frequency response below 40Hz.  while the graph just stops at 40, I wonder how steeply (or not) they actually drop off. 

[Nick's Picks]

i didn't know that.
+T !

[Tim]

me neither

good stuff, thanks Jason

[Krispy D]

I like a sloppy wet neumann sound.

mmmm,  sloppy and wet.......

[F.O.Bean]

to my knowledge, b+k never made guns

[marc0789]

to my knowledge, b+k never made guns

ditto.

[jpschust]

didnt b&k make a large diaphragm mic in the the 3000 series that looked like a big ass shotgun?

[Nick Graham]

I have a retired taper from Denver sending me 20 of his dats to transfer and send back to him.  He said his rig was:

B&K shotguns > Lunatec v2 >Tascam DA-P1

What is the model designation for the B&K shotguns?  All of these shows were recorded in the early > mid '90s.

He is a very busy man who isn't at the computer often, so correspondence between us is spotty, that's why I'm asking y'all.

Thanks -
Tim

FWIW, just to add to the confusion, the V2 wasn't introduced until '98....

[ethan]

So my DPA 4011's come with their custom polar patterns and response chart from the factor. The response chart goes all the way to 20HZ and shows the response being ever so slightly below the -2 db line. So JasonSobel's post was right on the money. It would appear though that the <40Hz response doesn't degrade very much. From looking at my charts my 4011's are 20Hz-20KHz +/- 2.2 dB.

-e

[F.O.Bean]

I have a retired taper from Denver sending me 20 of his dats to transfer and send back to him.  He said his rig was:

B&K shotguns > Lunatec v2 >Tascam DA-P1

What is the model designation for the B&K shotguns?  All of these shows were recorded in the early > mid '90s.

He is a very busy man who isn't at the computer often, so correspondence between us is spotty, that's why I'm asking y'all.

Thanks -
Tim

I talked to my friend who said the model number is Bruel & Kjaer 4401.  Anyone ever heard of them?  I haven't had any luck with a google search.

nope, tried every search possible

[scb]

they claim they won't make a hyper because the more directional you get, the more unnatural the sound is (and dpa loves the natural/transparent sound)

so one would think they never had a shotgun

(i don't know of them ever making one, either)

[BC]

I have a retired taper from Denver sending me 20 of his dats to transfer and send back to him.  He said his rig was:

B&K shotguns > Lunatec v2 >Tascam DA-P1

What is the model designation for the B&K shotguns?  All of these shows were recorded in the early > mid '90s.

He is a very busy man who isn't at the computer often, so correspondence between us is spotty, that's why I'm asking y'all.

Thanks -
Tim

I talked to my friend who said the model number is Bruel & Kjaer 4401.  Anyone ever heard of them?  I haven't had any luck with a google search.

nope, tried every search possible

me too beaner, this is kind of frustrating b/c he doesn't have the mics anymore.................

given the time frame I would think these have to be 4011's. One could imagine that it might be easy to confuse 4011 and 4401, just double up on the wrong number.   
You might want to ask him what they looked like? If they are long full body mics they would probably be 4011's, I would also guess that they would either be cardioid or omnis since I don't think B&K made subcards back then, you might be able to tell what the pattern was from listening to the tapes...