Topic: Distortion-Free Mics For Metal-Shows

[Javier Cinakowski]

doesn't the music need to be distortion-free in order for the recording to be distortion-free?

haha, thats a great point..   that why I don't like metal!

[tod3sschu3tze]

well guys ... its not a discussion about music, but of how taping that metal music

soooo please answer my question

***EDIT***

i looked for several battery boxes at MM and SP.
what is the better choice in regard to "stealthability"?
"MM-MBM Miniature "Mint Box" Battery / Filter Module with 7 position bass roll off" or "SP-SPSB-8 w/ bass roll off"?
the mint box looks small, but SP says "Extremely small and compact - the smallest long-life battery microphone power module available!", is that true

thanks!

[nardo]

i looked for several battery boxes at MM and SP.
what is the better choice in regard to "stealthability"?
"MM-MBM Miniature "Mint Box" Battery / Filter Module with 7 position bass roll off" or "SP-SPSB-8 w/ bass roll off"?
the mint box looks small, but SP says "Extremely small and compact - the smallest long-life battery microphone power module available!", is that true

I would assume SP mean "the smallest" that they have. Both manufacturers list the dimensions of the bboxes at their site, that should help you decide on which one you want.
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-SPSB-8
http://www.microphonemadness.com/products/mmmimbobafim.htm

[tod3sschu3tze]

oh yeah you are right, the mint box really seems to be the smallest "main-stream-box" available.
thanks

[hyperplane]

If you get the MM-HLSC-1 microphones, you will NOT need bass rolloff. I thought I would post that, as it's unnecessary and will save you $20.

Really, you can probably get away with running on plug-in power from the recorder, provided you have a recorder that gives plug-in power via the Line Input.

Also, just a thought here: even though you're looking for the "smallest" box, you might want to get a box that takes a normal 9V battery... reason being that normal 9V batteries are easier to find than the miniature 9V/12V/6V batteries, and the typical 9V battery will give 300 to 500 hours of power to the mics (a lot more time of powering the mics than the smaller batteries).

Just some things to think about, before making your purchase.

[tod3sschu3tze]

you are right, of course it is easier to get the standard 9V batteries, they are cheaper, too.
the iriver has a plugin-power of roundabout 1,5V via line-in, as i know.

hm, i am a bit confused about your statement that the hlsc-1 do not need bass-roll-off.
mike from microphone madness said:

Hi Phil,
 
I would definitely recommend using a batter/filter module with bass roll off for this application.  It will enble the microphones to handle higher sound pressure levels and clean up some of that unwanted bass content.
 
Hope this helps,
Mike

ok, of course he wants to sell mm's products , but what do you think about his recommendation

[Church-Audio]

you are right, of course it is easier to get the standard 9V batteries, they are cheaper, too.
the iriver has a plugin-power of roundabout 1,5V via line-in, as i know.

hm, i am a bit confused about your statement that the hlsc-1 do not need bass-roll-off.
mike from microphone madness said:

Hi Phil,
 
I would definitely recommend using a batter/filter module with bass roll off for this application.  It will enble the microphones to handle higher sound pressure levels and clean up some of that unwanted bass content.
 
Hope this helps,
Mike

ok, of course he wants to sell mm's products , but what do you think about his recommendation

Well if you are buying mics like the Sennhieser mics you dont need bass roll of because the bottom end is not there to begine with if you buy AT mics or my mics you need a bass roll off but if you buy mics with little bottom end then you will be fine. I would want all the bottom end I could get for concert recording but hey thats just me I would rather roll things off in post and just record a clean signal.

[tod3sschu3tze]

alright thanks

[hyperplane]

you are right, of course it is easier to get the standard 9V batteries, they are cheaper, too.
the iriver has a plugin-power of roundabout 1,5V via line-in, as i know.

I thought the iriver provided 2.5V of plug-in power. I've recorded concerts with the MM-HLSC-1 mics running directly into an iriver, with fine results. A 9V battery box is fine, though, and will ensure you're getting all of the mics' sonic quality.

hm, i am a bit confused about your statement that the hlsc-1 do not need bass-roll-off.
mike from microphone madness said:

Hi Phil,
 
I would definitely recommend using a batter/filter module with bass roll off for this application.  It will enble the microphones to handle higher sound pressure levels and clean up some of that unwanted bass content.
 
Hope this helps,
Mike

ok, of course he wants to sell mm's products , but what do you think about his recommendation

Simply put: you do NOT need bass rolloff with those mics (they use the MKE-40 capsule). I'm not sure why Mike suggested bass rolloff, except maybe he wants the extra $20 he charges for that feature on a battery box.

The MM-HLSC-1 mics (pseudo-Sennheiser MKE-40 mics) sound "warm" (which I like), and like DPA4061s, they can handle taping very close to the PA without distorting due to sound levels or bass.

If I were you, I'd only buy the mics themselves. (Also, I'd probably get the MM-HLSC-2 mics, as they are the same as the HLSC-1s, except without the mini-rotating clips... but I never use clips to mount mics.)  Use them at an "unimportant" show, using the plug-in power on your iriver, and see how you like them. Then, if you feel you want a battery box, I would suggest either building your own (it's easy to build a basic battery box), or contacting someone like Chris Church (Church-Audio) because I believe he makes very affordable and very small 9V battery boxes.

[tod3sschu3tze]

I thought the iriver provided 2.5V of plug-in power. I've recorded concerts with the MM-HLSC-1 mics running directly into an iriver, with fine results. A 9V battery box is fine, though, and will ensure you're getting all of the mics' sonic quality.

yeah, i wasnt sure about the correct plug-in power, i think you are right.
yes, this is the only thing i expect from a battery box: getting all of the mics quality.

Simply put: you do NOT need bass rolloff with those mics (they use the MKE-40 capsule). I'm not sure why Mike suggested bass rolloff, except maybe he wants the extra $20 he charges for that feature on a battery box.

ok, he "maybe" wants to make money, thats what i expected

The MM-HLSC-1 mics (pseudo-Sennheiser MKE-40 mics) sound "warm" (which I like), and like DPA4061s, they can handle taping very close to the PA without distorting due to sound levels or bass.

great, this sounds like THE type of mics i am looking for!

If I were you, I'd only buy the mics themselves. (Also, I'd probably get the MM-HLSC-2 mics, as they are the same as the HLSC-1s, except without the mini-rotating clips... but I never use clips to mount mics.)  Use them at an "unimportant" show, using the plug-in power on your iriver, and see how you like them. Then, if you feel you want a battery box, I would suggest either building your own (it's easy to build a basic battery box), or contacting someone like Chris Church (Church-Audio) because I believe he makes very affordable and very small 9V battery boxes.

alright, you are more experienced than me, so i will follow your advice.
i mean, up to today i always plugged my low cost binaurals directly into the line-in and results were ok, except being right in front of the PA.
you say the HLSC-1 can handle that even without bbox, so i will only buy the mics first.
you are right, i can build or buy an cheaper box without bass roll off later.

but i like the mini-rotating clips of the HLSC-1

thank you!

[jcrab66]

the at's are the best option if you choose to run phantom power

[beefstew]

sorry to hijack the thread but
what type of mic would be better for recording a loud metal show
Omni, Cardoid, or Binaural?

also
i have the SP-CMC-19s and am looking to upgrade
i have a budget of about $200

[/hijack over]

[kfrinkle]

I got my CMC-8s 3wire modded..... Metal shows, i am ready again.

[Arni99]

i have both, the sennheiser mm-hlsc-2 and the sp-cmc-8.
they are both great mics!
i like the sennheiser´s sound more, i recorded a local band at my pub some days ago and the bass-drum is just so fat and "kicky" with the sennheisers, not as thin as the sp-cmc-8´ sound.
the senns can handle bass perfectly, it almost sounds like a soundboard recording!
no bass-roll-off needed with the senns!
arni

[poorlyconditioned]

You want a three-wire battery box, with either the Senn MKE40 or with the AT853.  Both will sound great with the mod.  Even if it does not appear to distort, you will see an impovement at moderate levels.

*I* think the Senns sound (a bit) better, but the AT have replaceable caps.  Cardioids are fine for most things though.

Get either Church or Hyperplane to solder miniXLRs on and build you a 3-wire battery box.

  Richard