Author Topic: Anyone know anything about the SP-CMC-25? (Read 12027 times)

aaronji · « **on:** August 10, 2009, 02:56:23 PM »

Anyone know anything about these small hypers: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-25? I had never seen or heard of them before, so I thought I'd ask...Curious who manufactures them, how they sound, etc...

rastasean · « **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2009, 04:35:54 PM »

yeah I received the email from Sound Pro about these. I think they are brand new so I doubt anyone knows much about them, at least on this board.

Belexes · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:23:08 PM »

Looks like these mics accomplish the same thing as hyper-cardioids.

taperwheeler · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:59:15 PM »

I'm assuming that they're a fixed at hyper card cap? Not a lot of info.

soundpro · « **Reply #4 on:** August 11, 2009, 08:11:49 AM »

Hello:

The info you are looking for is on our website here:

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-25

These mics are our design and they are only available as Super Cardioids - similar with Hyper Cardioids, but even more directional. They are for situations where you want the maximum audience noise rejection.

They are on introductory special this week (until 8-14-09). The response has been overwhelming already, but we should be able to fill all orders this week for folks that need them by the weekend.

Hope this helps!

Best Regards,

Chris Carfagno
sales@soundprofessionals.com
www.soundprofessionals.com
The Sound Professionals, Inc.
3444 Sylon Blvd
Hainesport NJ, 08036
800-213-3021
609-267-4400
609-267-0054 fax

Belexes · « **Reply #5 on:** August 11, 2009, 10:16:38 AM »

Any samples to download?

Frequency Response: 30-20,000 Hz
Signal To Noise Ratio: 67dB
Open Circuit Sensitivity: -38dB
Maximum Input Sound Level: 117dB/130dB
Dynamic Range: 88dB/105dB

aaronji · « **Reply #6 on:** August 11, 2009, 12:43:33 PM »

As I was curious about these mics, I e-mailed Chris Carfagno about them this morning; I pointed him to this thread since I thought others might also be interested. His e-mail response did contain one small detail that his post here did not, though: when they are available, the graphs on these will be added to the website...I assume that will include frequency response and polar plots. I would like to see how they look, particularly that rear lobe!

aleal5687 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2009, 01:05:07 PM »

Samples?

Maybe a pair in the "gear loaner program"

Would love to try these out.

doodee · « **Reply #8 on:** August 13, 2009, 01:43:11 AM »

Quote from: aleal5687 on August 12, 2009, 01:05:07 PM

Samples?

Maybe a pair in the "gear loaner program"

Would love to try these out.

Ditto on all counts.

illconditioned · « **Reply #9 on:** August 13, 2009, 01:58:28 AM »

As I said in the other thread, I'd like to know what capsules are in these. $300 is a high price, unless we know what we are getting inside. I'm interested to hear samples of course. Another thing, I notice that they seem rather sensitive (ie., high output level). This would be good for flash recorders with limited gain, such as Edirol R09.

Richard

soundpro · « **Reply #10 on:** August 13, 2009, 09:53:55 PM »

Hello:

These mics are Sound Professionals brand capsules. More info here:

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-25

Best Regards,

Chris Carfagno
sales@soundprofessionals.com
www.soundprofessionals.com
The Sound Professionals, Inc.
3444 Sylon Blvd
Hainesport NJ, 08036
800-213-3021
609-267-4400
609-267-0054 fax

illconditioned · « **Reply #11 on:** August 14, 2009, 02:25:38 AM »

Quote from: soundpro on August 13, 2009, 09:53:55 PM

Hello:

These mics are Sound Professionals brand capsules. More info here:

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-25

Best Regards,

Chris Carfagno
sales@soundprofessionals.com
www.soundprofessionals.com
The Sound Professionals, Inc.
3444 Sylon Blvd
Hainesport NJ, 08036
800-213-3021
609-267-4400
609-267-0054 fax

Dear Chris,

No offense, but you don't actually *manufacture* the capsules, right?

If you cannot tell me who makes them, can you say something about their construction? For example, are the diaphragms gold vapourized or something else? Could you say something about how they sound compared to AT853 and family? How do they compare to Sennheiser MKE40? We may expect some unknown caps in cheaper models, but at $150 each, I'm hoping to get something good.

Richard

soundpro · « **Reply #12 on:** August 15, 2009, 10:24:34 PM »

Hello:

We are having these mic capsules custom made for us exclusively, to our specifications. They are not a re-packaged well-known brand microphone.

So, to answer your questions, we do not make the capsules in our shop in NJ, but the matching, final assembly and testing is done here in the USA. They sound similar to the AT853 and AT943 mics we sell, but have a tighter pickup pattern. I do not know how they would compare to the Sennheiser mics as I have not heard the Sennheisers. These mics are significantly smaller than most of the other 'mini' cardioids found on the market and discussed on this board.

As you probably know, using a well-known brand capsule does not guarantee good sound quality (although it usually gives you a reasonable expectation of some minimum level of quality) - good design and quality manufacturing does. Sometimes, 'unknown' capsules can sound good, too :-)

Lastly, we have added some information to our website about these mics here:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-25

We offer these with a 30 day money back guarantee.

Best Regards,

Chris Carfagno
sales@soundprofessionals.com
www.soundprofessionals.com
The Sound Professionals, Inc.
3444 Sylon Blvd
Hainesport NJ, 08036
800-213-3021
609-267-4400
609-267-0054 fax

LZJoker · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2009, 10:46:28 AM »

Looking forward to testing mine in the coming weeks.

paulbaptiste · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2009, 12:20:54 AM »

ditto on the "loaner program" idea. We all have a lot of love for soundpro's, but i think this would go far in terms of sales and dedicated customers in the long run... That's why Church audio (IMHO) beyond the fact that he makes damn good mics at an affordable price, but because he is willing to put them out on the market and let the customers feedback help others in choosing a future purchase, has really given us a good alternative to soundpro's and Audio Technica Mics.

soundpro · « **Reply #15 on:** August 23, 2009, 10:47:12 PM »

Hello:

Sorry, I don't know what the loaner program is......can someone enlighten me? I am surprised that it hasn't come up before (and we have been doing this for almost 13 years :-)

Best Regards,

Chris Carfagno
sales@soundprofessionals.com
www.soundprofessionals.com
The Sound Professionals, Inc.
3444 Sylon Blvd
Hainesport NJ, 08036
800-213-3021
609-267-4400
609-267-0054 fax

su6oxone · « **Reply #16 on:** August 23, 2009, 11:06:35 PM »

Quote from: soundpro on August 23, 2009, 10:47:12 PM

Hello:

Sorry, I don't know what the loaner program is......can someone enlighten me? I am surprised that it hasn't come up before (and we have been doing this for almost 13 years :-)

Best Regards,

Chris Carfagno

Chris, it's not so much a program per se, but rather just something that Chris Church does with some of his mics. He sends out a set of whatever type mics and lets TSers borrow and test them out for awhile. TSers pass it on to others interested in testing them and so the mics are basically out in circulation for people to test out. He keeps track of who has the mics and who is in line to get the mics on a thread in the retail forum. AFAIK, no other vendors do this, but Chris Church has done this with several of his mics in the pre-production period as well as in post-production too.

LZJoker · « **Reply #17 on:** September 20, 2009, 12:23:58 PM »

First time out last Fri with these mics, i'm quite pleased with the result:

05. Whole Lotta Love.mp3 - 10.22MB (The link will stream)

illconditioned · « **Reply #18 on:** September 20, 2009, 01:12:30 PM »

Quote from: LZJoker on September 20, 2009, 12:23:58 PM

First time out last Fri with these mics, i'm quite pleased with the result:

05. Whole Lotta Love.mp3 - 10.22MB (The link will stream)

I'm always curious to hear new mics.

But what I really want to hear are "ambient" recordings. Just put the mics up in your kitchen and record dinnertime, washing the dishes, feeding your dog or whatever, then put up a small (one or two minute sample). A great mic will give stunning realism and natural sound, while a lesser mic will pick everything up just fine, but will sound like "a recording", something you might get with an old cassette recorder.

Ideally a clean analog front end (Edirol, Tascam etc, or even minidisc) would be preferred over "consumer grade" nJB3 or iRiver, but anything you can get is fine.

Lately what I've been doing is putting two mics side by side and recording one of the left channel and the other on the right channel. Then playback in mono and alternate between them to hear the differences. I built a little "switchbox" that has two stereo miniplug inputs and one output. It takes the right channel from two different stereo mics and routes them to L/R of the recorder.

This is more geeky than watching or playing sports. You can go outside and record traffic, lawnmowers, etc if you like too, just don't exercise please...

Richard

mrbollweevil · « **Reply #19 on:** October 10, 2009, 09:46:48 PM »

Hi folks, my first post here although I have been recording for many years.
I just bought a pair of these Sound Pros and they make a nice recording . BUT , I am rather bemused by the amount of noise they pick up with the slightest movement . I've been using core sound binaurals sewn into a shirt , running line out with a core sounds battery box and these mics had no problems with rustle if I moved a little to adjust levels etc, or even moved a few feet to get way from a yacking aud member . Whilst these sound pros are much better sound wise,( in fact they sound really really good ) I can't see myself being able to use them fro stealthing unless I mount them on something that makes no contact with clothing, this means they are going to be on view and this negates their value as stealth mics.
I was using all deck settings on low gain and the mics fed into a sound pro bb. theres just as much noise on both my edirol or zoom decks .
Has any one had the same problem with any other sound pro cards ? is this sort of nose level typical with cardiods ? , if I am going to change these over ( which I think has to happen , as I have tried softening the clothes rustle with foam and even when input levels are ultra low you can still hear noise ) , which of the sound professionals cardiods do you recommend if I do have to send these back ?
all help greatly appreciated .

soundpro · « **Reply #20 on:** October 12, 2009, 11:11:47 PM »

Hello:

Handling noise is always an issue with miniature caridoids, regardless of the brand.....not so with omnis. You need to set them up and pretty much leave them alone, or use a mount that keeps them from mivign around, like Croakies (for example).

Chris Carfagno
The Sound Professionals, Inc.
www.soundprofessionals.com

mrbollweevil · « **Reply #21 on:** October 13, 2009, 03:17:31 AM »

thanks, I've worked out a way to set them up now and so they are out of sight . I can report that they are very nice mics and can recommend them to anyone who wants a clean sound for a decent price. Knocks shit out of the mid range core sounds

su6oxone · « **Reply #22 on:** October 13, 2009, 10:38:59 AM »

Quote from: soundpro on October 12, 2009, 11:11:47 PM

Handling noise is always an issue with miniature caridoids, regardless of the brand.....not so with omnis. You need to set them up and pretty much leave them alone, or use a mount that keeps them from mivign around, like Croakies (for example).

These tiny mics sound perfect for Croakies. It's cool that they are mini cards and not omnis also, would love to hear some sources show up on LMA.

wheresjerry · « **Reply #23 on:** October 24, 2009, 02:22:08 PM »

I just grabbed a pair, mounted in the croakies since I wear glasses. A sound sample from emmitt-nershi band from port city portland, me from a few weeks ago.....

illconditioned · « **Reply #24 on:** October 24, 2009, 03:41:08 PM »

Quote from: wheresjerry on October 24, 2009, 02:22:08 PM

I just grabbed a pair, mounted in the croakies since I wear glasses. A sound sample from emmitt-nershi band from port city portland, me from a few weeks ago.....

Sounds like they are distorting, on vocal peak. Need a bit more of a sample to judge the rest. They could have detail, but it is hard to tell with distortion.

I'm always interested in new mics, but these may need three-wire or 4.7k mod to work properly. I would like to try a pair, but IMO the price is too high, especially for an unknown product.

I think the first step would be if someone could run these at an acoustic gig, or with just ambient sounds. If they sound great then, one could investigate whether it is worth figuring out the powering to make them run for louder settings.

Richard

wheresjerry · « **Reply #25 on:** October 24, 2009, 04:10:29 PM »

here is a better sample of Assembly of Dust from the same night. The ENB sample wasn't a good representation, had mics plugged into mic in....on AOD, I plugged them into line in...much better results in vocals....sorry bout that.

su6oxone · « **Reply #26 on:** October 24, 2009, 05:05:00 PM »

Quote from: wheresjerry on October 24, 2009, 04:10:29 PM

here is a better sample of Assembly of Dust from the same night. The ENB sample wasn't a good representation, had mics plugged into mic in....on AOD, I plugged them into line in...much better results in vocals....sorry bout that.

Sounds pretty decent, thanks for posting it. Now, if we can just hear a full song or show on LMA...

LZJoker · « **Reply #27 on:** November 03, 2009, 04:19:50 AM »

from the 2nd row acoustic:

http://dl070.zshare.net/stream/e9095ec4c05bfb55ed11f31c178a1871/1257239906/67590528/17.%20Mother%20Goose.mp3

rhinowing · « **Reply #28 on:** November 07, 2009, 02:07:16 PM »

here's a show i saw done with cmc-25s:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=275094

wheresjerry · « **Reply #29 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:16:18 AM »

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=529660

Here is a local show I recorded last night in a small town hall room in Rollinsford, nh using sp cmc-25 croakie mounts into a batt. box>oade concert mod pmd 620.

robeti · « **Reply #30 on:** June 30, 2012, 06:41:03 AM »

I found another show recorded with these mics.
See the taper's other torrents to see more shows recorded (including samples) with these mics

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=406137

stepeanut · « **Reply #31 on:** June 30, 2012, 11:23:38 AM »

I own a set of these, and have been very happy with them. Check my Dime profile. There are plenty of examples there, from folk to noise rock.