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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2006, 10:36:48 AM »
You guys got me thinkin'....I'm gonna try some comps here at the house later today

AT943(card) > Samson PM4 > ....   the closest I can get to the 853Rx

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Nak300(card) w/ bm2 p48 mod (wired same as franken's) > Samsom PM4 > ...


If my acoustic bathroom sessions bring anything to light, I may share

Oh, and by 'acoustic', I don't mean 'flatulent'  :P
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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2006, 10:40:53 AM »
You guys got me thinkin'....I'm gonna try some comps here at the house later today

AT943(card) > Samson PM4 > ....   the closest I can get to the 853Rx

&

Nak300(card) w/ bm2 p48 mod (wired same as franken's) > Samsom PM4 > ...


If my acoustic bathroom sessions bring anything to light, I may share

Oh, and by 'acoustic', I don't mean 'flatulent'  :P

That would be great!

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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2006, 10:47:42 AM »
You guys got me thinkin'....I'm gonna try some comps here at the house later today

AT943(card) > Samson PM4 > ....   the closest I can get to the 853Rx

&

Nak300(card) w/ bm2 p48 mod (wired same as franken's) > Samsom PM4 > ...


If my acoustic bathroom sessions bring anything to light, I may share

Oh, and by 'acoustic', I don't mean 'flatulent'  :P

Yeah, awesome.. make sure to post that!! That's exactly what I was looking for!

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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2006, 12:22:20 PM »
Ok, so I setup my small stand in the tub, mics facing out about 3.5 ft high, both pairs in an XY-esque config.  This comparison is, by no means, 100% accurate nor is it intended to define the characteristics of the naks vs. the ATs. I was trying to get an idea of the self-noise generated by the two in similar conditions (as best I could make them).  I noticed, after I made the first take w/ the naks, that the wiring into one of the capsules seemed to give me some nasty static. I'll have to get Chris to check it out.  So, all you get for now are to tracks of silence with the v3 pumped...  the bowel movements shall be postponed until a later date.

the story goes:
mics > Samson PM4 > 15' bumblebees > 1.5ft silverpath RAs > V3 @ 60db gain (ANSR) > opti > Creative SB > SF 7.0 (16/48)

I should also note that the cabling in the chain was different as well.  The ATs have the tiny 'audio-technica' cabling (about 5-6ft) and mine terminate to stereo 1/8", which then have 1/8>MiniXLR(f) cables (1ft) to go into the PM4's.  The Naks have 12' canare cables wired into the capsule and terminate to miniXLR(f) and go into the PM4's. 

AT943(card):
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=F319788900AA0731

Nak300(card):
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FE56A7E050A7668D

Needless to say (once the tracks were listened to), I was amazed at the outcome.  There are so many variables, though, in this situation that it's hard to pinpoint any single area.  I wonder if hardwired ATs>phantom adapters would have a different result.  I'm going to try this some more this weekend at different gain levels / caps / etc. given I can subside the static for a bit in that nak.   Any input on what I might want to try would be greatly appreciated. 
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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2006, 12:26:13 PM »
Could you take samples recording music from your stereo at close range?

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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2006, 12:31:34 PM »
Could you take samples recording music from your stereo at close range?

Sure, I can try that later.  I wish I had my 3ways hooked up at this house (although they're nothing to brag about).  It's just there's not much of a real stereo here right now but there are some smaller in-wall 2ways.  They actually sound alright.  I'll see what I can do  ;D
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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2006, 12:34:54 PM »
There were some active Naks in the yard sale just last month. I don't know if they ever sold.

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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2006, 12:43:13 PM »
There were some active Naks in the yard sale just last month. I don't know if they ever sold.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=63830.0

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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2006, 01:40:47 PM »
hummmm      I have a set of Naks... A set of AT853 power adapters.... Can someone post pictures or explain how the cable is held at the capsule side. Is it jut potted in place?  I could use silver cable. No mini xlr though. (the at adapters are just wire in).



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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2006, 03:08:10 PM »
Some living room samples.  I got alot of important stuff done today  ::)

Keep in mind the fact that I was recording off of some 2way wall speakers.  They lack that low thump. 
The setup was a little different this time.  I ran about 6-8ft back, DIN, about 5ft high for both. 

naks (12' canares)   &    AT943card(same 1/8" connections as above) > PM4 > V3 (ANSR) > JB3 (16/48) > SF 7.0

There are no vocals on these samples.  I'll save that for another time.  I noticed the AT's ran about 5db hotter than the naks.  I tried to compensate for that on the v3.  I  also used very slight gain adjustments in SF to try to get them as close as possible.

AT Sample:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=E2EAD75C1637BCCA

Nak Sample:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=DC425B7C68C91F8F



Anyone know the artist?

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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2006, 03:08:51 PM »
Audball... record Tom Waits when he tours

Is he coming to carolina?
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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2006, 08:22:44 PM »
Hey man, great comp... I think I definitely prefer the Nak source... it really pulls you in more... the guitar and keys are more up front in the mix with the bass nice and prominent.... not that the AT sounds bad, but it's just a little less detailed... more bland I guess you could say. This really makes me hungry for some Naks.

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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2006, 09:56:34 AM »
Horus... I need pictures of your naks... How do they hold the wire at the capsule end??

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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2006, 01:31:31 PM »
I can't find the photo's /steps needed to do this modification. I looked in the Archive section under microphones.
Is there a "tutorial" of sorts on doing ther active/ phantom power mod?
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Re: Nak cm300 active mod?
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2006, 01:59:27 PM »
I can't find the photo's /steps needed to do this modification. I looked in the Archive section under microphones.
Is there a "tutorial" of sorts on doing ther active/ phantom power mod?

Not really, although peruse the Team Nakamichi board for a wealth of information.  Leegeddy and I had a very long conversation where he answered all of my dumb questions, I'm sure you could find some of the info useful. 

As for pictures, ask and you shall receive...let me know if you need more specific angles or anything...





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