Topic: m148->V3 users

[Tim]

thanks for the heads up Muj, what's the price on that thing... it looked pretty cool.

[muj]

not sure Tim.you better call Nathan at atlasproaudio.com,i bought my adc2496 from him.they also offer return policy.the designer Michal is also very fun to talk with.

[Tim]

thanks Muj!

[marc0789]

Luke, you must overcome your fear of the tiny screwdriver....Luke.....

[carlbeck]

I ran the 148>V3 a few times & liked it but after a while preferred just the straight V3 & sold my brick to some other crackhead who runs dull ass mics on this board. I miss it now, I should have sold the mics & kept the brick

[Jason B]

Actually what I think it does is the M148 doesn't pick up as many reverberant noise reflections from a room
(esp. in a bar) as the straight V3 with 25-35db of gain.  The V3 is so
producive of what you hear it picks up alot of the "room".

This makes no sense to me. We are talking about a preamp, not a microphone. I can see using these descriptions when desrcibing a microphone, but a preamp? The 148 is just boosting the signal of the mics, not picking up sounds, reverberant noise or lack there of. A preamp does not pick up any room, mics do. I occasionally see people say these things about pre's, and it makes absolutely no sense to me.  

[carlbeck]

Well it does make some sense, it's a little tough for me to explain but I think there are alot of spatual clues or subtle nuances that the V3 get's right when cranked on higher gain, such as 30-40 db that will not be as present when used at 10db gain as it is when used with a 148. I think the 148 does a superb job at fattening up the sound but I do not find it to sound incredibly revealing or detailed. It will provide more of a dynamic impact but still needs the V3 to provide that last bit of room cues to get it right IMO.

[Jason B]

I agree on the fact that the 148 does sound "fat", and some pre's can sound "thin", and others "tubby", but I do not get how it can "pick up more reverberant noise". I can understand the fact that at certain gain settings, a preamp may show some emphasis on certain freqeuncies, but I just can't grasp the fact that it "picks up room noise". I can see that it may reveal more detail in your recordings than you are used to hearing due to how clean the V3 is, but I just don't see that it has anything to do with what the mics are picking up.

[Mic D]

I think the 148 does a superb job at fattening up the sound but I do not find it to sound incredibly revealing or detailed.

My thoughts, exactly!

[muj]

I agree on the fact that the 148 does sound "fat", and some pre's can sound "thin", and others "tubby", but I do not get how it can "pick up more reverberant noise". I can understand the fact that at certain gain settings, a preamp may show some emphasis on certain freqeuncies, but I just can't grasp the fact that it "picks up room noise". I can see that it may reveal more detail in your recordings than you are used to hearing due to how clean the V3 is, but I just don't see that it has anything to do with what the mics are picking up.

great posts here..keep em coming. a mic pre will ofcourse boost the signal,no doubt.But the issue here is if the mic pre is extracting maximum
information from the mics.For instance my grace v3 and gordon are both considered transparent,but the gordon reveals more room sound,details.the fidelity is greater and bandwidth as well.not to mention the resolution is spectacular.
so i agree with jason,it does not help the mics,but the mic reflects what's being extracted ,how much and if it's altering the information(coloration)

[wboswell]

I ran this combo on quite a few occasions this fall with super cards in front.  I did so to warm up the sound that usually is evident in super/hyper card recordings where the bass gets rolled off.  IMO, it was a perfect match.  With the straight v3, I hear more details of the reverberant sounds in the room.  When I add the m148 to the mix, the tapes I pull had a smoother, more analog sound.  Some of the detail was left out was not as present.  This is generally a good thing if you are recording in a not so good sounding room.

I think JasonB and Callery are caught up in an issue of semantics.  The 148 adds the equivalent of "dither" in the analog stage by warming over some of the details that the mics pick up (yes, I know dither refers to the a/d stage, but in this case, it makes for a good analogy).  The v3 accurately represents the information it receives and lays the tracks on tape.

Money not an object, I would run the mk41>m148>v3 combo indoors every night and perhaps even in a shed, but outdoors or onstage, I would run straight mk21>v3.  

Frank, if you want some m148>v3 tapes/discs, lmk.  I can send both section and fob sources.

[Mic D]

Frank, if you want some m148>v3 tapes/discs, lmk.  I can send both section and fob sources.

Ditto. I also have a few of Bos's crappy recordings.  

[fsulloway]

Frank, if you want some m148>v3 tapes/discs, lmk.  I can send both section and fob sources.

Ditto. I also have a few of Bos's crappy recordings.  

No thanks, I've got plenty of crappy recordings that I've made to listen to.
I'll give ya'll a shout.

[jacallery]

.  With the straight v3, I hear more details of the reverberant sounds in the room.  When I add the m148 to the mix, the tapes I pull had a smoother, more analog sound.  Some of the detail was left out was not as present.  This is generally a good thing if you are recording in a not so good sounding room.

I think JasonB and Callery are caught up in an issue of semantics.  

Thanks william, I should have made myself a little more clear.
When i went back and read my post I realized my thoughts didn't come
out in greatest detail.  I agreed with what jasonB was saying  

I think we are all on the same page, my page is just half torn...

callery

[mhibbs]

but don't worry if you see overs b/c you will never clip it running it so low,believe me.  You will have waveforms that cut, so you will lose some dynamics, (but I doubt you would ever hear it) so if your anal about waveforms beware.

You may not be able to hear it depending on the duration, but a cut waveform is clipping.


mitch