thanks cash - i'll contact uncle
wero - i really love 184s and 140s. i have also owned pairs of schoeps cmc64s and DPA 4011s, as well as several pairs of C481s and C461s, gefell m300s, etc. also many omnis, currently using a pair of DPA 4091s which i also love. while i liked the schoeps, dpa's, and the akg's, there is just something about the way the neumanns sound that sets them apart in my experience. if they still made new 84s, i would probably get some, but finding a clean matched pair of old 84s is relaly hard unless you want to pay WAY too much money.