Topic: Fixing a once off talker. Ideas?

[robgronotte]

Your old WeT link is dead and I don't see a new one.

Apologies - not sure what happened with my last comment.
https://we.tl/t-FTlMnRHAsW

Try that

I checked them out.  Your fixed sample is longer than the original sample but I assume the problem is somewhere in the fixed part?  If so, that's really good, I can't even tell where the original problem spot was.  I wouldn't be able to do a better job than you did.

[shadowfax1007]

Your old WeT link is dead and I don't see a new one.

Apologies - not sure what happened with my last comment.
https://we.tl/t-FTlMnRHAsW

Try that

Cheers! Yeah the fixed sample is a bit longer, I did it as I was doing some blind testing of my edits. Wanted to see if I could pick it out or not based on different versions.

I checked them out.  Your fixed sample is longer than the original sample but I assume the problem is somewhere in the fixed part?  If so, that's really good, I can't even tell where the original problem spot was.  I wouldn't be able to do a better job than you did.

[goodcooker]

I have a recent recording I'm going to try this on. It's an instrumental ensemble - Hammond organ, guitar, bass, drums and sax - that the crowd in the tiny room just yakked really loud the whole time.

I hope to isolate the talking using the separate vocal stems method and discard as much of the conversation as I can.

Thanks for your write up about how you accomplished your edits.

EDIT - I took a short clip of the show from right at the beginning where the talking is especially bad and ran it through UVR5. Here's a clip of the results  https://soundcloud.com/roger-cox-7/robertwalter2024-05-03uvrcomp?si=822ae8d008194275ae17808e98ee4bcb&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing.

0-10 sec = raw track
10-20 sec = just removed noise (vocal track)
20-30 sec = just resulting music (instrumental track)
30-40 sec = raw track again to compare

It's better but it's not a silver bullet for this kind of thing. It definitely removed the worst of the talking and didn't degrade the music all that much. If you listen closely to the removed voices only you can hear a little of the organ that got removed too.

[robgronotte]

I have a recent recording I'm going to try this on. It's an instrumental ensemble - Hammond organ, guitar, bass, drums and sax - that the crowd in the tiny room just yakked really loud the whole time.

I hope to isolate the talking using the separate vocal stems method and discard as much of the conversation as I can.

Thanks for your write up about how you accomplished your edits.

EDIT - I took a short clip of the show from right at the beginning where the talking is especially bad and ran it through UVR5. Here's a clip of the results  https://soundcloud.com/roger-cox-7/robertwalter2024-05-03uvrcomp?si=822ae8d008194275ae17808e98ee4bcb&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing.

0-10 sec = raw track
10-20 sec = just removed noise (vocal track)
20-30 sec = just resulting music (instrumental track)
30-40 sec = raw track again to compare

It's better but it's not a silver bullet for this kind of thing. It definitely removed the worst of the talking and didn't degrade the music all that much. If you listen closely to the removed voices only you can hear a little of the organ that got removed too.

Which module did you use? The best one I've found is amazing but would be really slow to use on a whole show. Maybe 15x real time.

[EmRR]

I had pretty amazing results with UVR5 on a stealth DPA 4060 AB omni recording, old Buzzcocks show with many various people yelling in my ear. 
It did a better separation between music and vocal without leaving holes in the music as RX10 did in places.  (I haven't tried the same split in RX11)
Then I split the vocal with MDX-Net Karaoke 2. 

The vocal splits made fairly random tracks with vocal parts jumping from one track to the other, and some things that it turned into semi garbled separations that sound normal together.
In some cases, perfectly clean separation of a close loud talker. 
In others, judicious muting of various sections of the parallel parts got the talker out, or mostly out.  Some edits that used both parts of the split needed one part gain boosted to match, if it was a harmonically partial split section. 
One bonus was that I rarely had to mute both in the same spot, so the little bit of bleed ambience from other things doesn't go away as unnaturally as muting a single vocal would do.  Artifact of the process, but useful. 

It took the number of things I'd be trying to draw out in RX from something like 40 to 6, and of those some were best edited on one of the splits, others on both, others on the unsplit vocal.  Cut my workload considerably and allowed some edits I couldn't do with RX alone.

in the model downloads you'll find "MDX-Net Karaoke 2  Crowd HQ 1" which then shows options for "Crowd Only" and "No Crowd only"   Promising!    It did indeed work, though there are occasional pieces of the vocal that are also gone if you hit mute.  You can definitely drop it -6dB for some real improvement. 


What seems lacking is any set of descriptions for the numerous models - at least I can't find it if it exists. 

[rastasean]

Is this what ya'll are referring to?
https://github.com/Anjok07/ultimatevocalremovergui

What other plug-ins do you recommend?

[robgronotte]

Yes, that is what I use. Don't know about any plugins that are similar. Izotope RX10 has a similar feature but it doesn't work nearly as well.

[rastasean]

Thanks, robgronotte!

I played around with it using some music from youtube to grab just vocals and just instruments. It works pretty darn well!