I should have read the M10 FAQ again before recording my first show with it. Loud rock concert (Living Colour) and mic in wasn't ideal, had the level dial between 2 and 1 for most of the show (as I found out after the gig) - and then the very last minute of the gig turned out brickwalled. :facepalm:
Thank you kindly to those that maintain the FAQ, I hope others don't make my mistakes.
Battery box, PIP set to off, mics are Sanken COS-11s, their output is rather hot even though I have the low sens model called RedMarks. I don't think I brickwalled the M10, it's just that the level dial was already way down at 1 and the show was still too loud for mic-in, so it went over 0dB.I should have read the M10 FAQ again before recording my first show with it. Loud rock concert (Living Colour) and mic in wasn't ideal, had the level dial between 2 and 1 for most of the show (as I found out after the gig) - and then the very last minute of the gig turned out brickwalled. :facepalm:
Thank you kindly to those that maintain the FAQ, I hope others don't make my mistakes.
What kind of mics? Plug-in power or battery box? Not easy to brickwall the M10!
Anyone have a recommendation for a card for the M10? I got a new Kingston 8gb in February but have had 2 consecutive recordings produce a skipping noise at the 1.5 hour mark.Did you format it in the M10 prior to the show? If not, that seems to be necessary to avoid problems.
Anyone have a recommendation for a card for the M10? I got a new Kingston 8gb in February but have had 2 consecutive recordings produce a skipping noise at the 1.5 hour mark.Did you format it in the M10 prior to the show? If not, that seems to be necessary to avoid problems.
Don't know if anyone else has had this problem, but my M10 is pretty much toast. The delete button is stuck and none of the other buttons will function. I noticed it last sunday after a show, when i hit stop after the show ended, it immediately asked me if i wanted to delete the file. I got home, transferred the show, deleted it off the card.
Last night, recorded another show. It came out fine, but the problem is now worse. If i push the menu button, it immediatley goes to delete file, but i can't actually do it since none of the other buttons work. Tried prying up the delete button a little, but that did not change anything. Guess i'll be getting another one. I taped about 50 shows with it over the past 18 months.
Don't know if anyone else has had this problem, but my M10 is pretty much toast. The delete button is stuck and none of the other buttons will function.
I have 77 shows since 10/09 (probably over 220 performers) and mine works as great as day 1.... only scrapes and scratches from stealthing it in pockets.... IMHO nothing better out there for stealth and external mics (based on bang for the buck and ruggedness)
I was running mics > naiant tinybox > m10.
bet he is rightI was running mics > naiant tinybox > m10.
My guess is a loose cable or internally broken/frayed cable... I have been in both situations before and was easily able to rule out the M10 every single time
The M10 has internal memory as well as a slot for a card. If I were to record enough to fill up, say, the 16 GB card I might put in, would the device then start recording to the internal memory, or would I have to manually switch something?
-Tyler
Could it do so mid-recording (sort of like splitting a track at the 2GB limit)?
This might be an odd/stupid question, but it interests me nonetheless, as I'm leaning heavily in favor of buying an M10...
The M10 has internal memory as well as a slot for a card. If I were to record enough to fill up, say, the 16 GB card I might put in, would the device then start recording to the internal memory, or would I have to manually switch something? Could it do so mid-recording (sort of like splitting a track at the 2GB limit)?
I'm not sure if it can go from the external back to the internal...
Does anyknow where I can find info ( on this forum ) on how to reduce a 96/ 24 file to a standard WAV file , so I can play my files using my Sonos connect .just so you are clear, its not a m10 "issue" its a sample rate and/or dither issue, meaning any recorder you use and record at the high rate will need to be adjusted.
Now I simply make analog copies ( to minidisc ) and convert these to WAV files . I really don't hear the difference . But there must be a way doing this on the computer .
Can I use Soundforge for this ?
I would appreciate if anyone could point out a thread . To go through 7 threads on the PCM M 10 alone is quite a job . Thanks !
I use r8brain to resample.
http://www.voxengo.com/product/r8brain/
Also...you're going to need a pretty nice rig and playback system to benifit from 24/96. Almost everyone I know records at 24/48. Saves you some space, and sounds just as good for us normal people.
Does anyknow where I can find info ( on this forum ) on how to reduce a 96/ 24 file to a standard WAV file , so I can play my files using my Sonos connect .just so you are clear, its not a m10 "issue" its a sample rate and/or dither issue, meaning any recorder you use and record at the high rate will need to be adjusted.
Now I simply make analog copies ( to minidisc ) and convert these to WAV files . I really don't hear the difference . But there must be a way doing this on the computer .
Can I use Soundforge for this ?
I would appreciate if anyone could point out a thread . To go through 7 threads on the PCM M 10 alone is quite a job . Thanks !
yes you can use soundforge or others mentioned, i use audacity
try this http://soundforge.helpmax.net/en/batchengine-chmbatchengine-hhc/processes/resample/Does anyknow where I can find info ( on this forum ) on how to reduce a 96/ 24 file to a standard WAV file , so I can play my files using my Sonos connect .just so you are clear, its not a m10 "issue" its a sample rate and/or dither issue, meaning any recorder you use and record at the high rate will need to be adjusted.
Now I simply make analog copies ( to minidisc ) and convert these to WAV files . I really don't hear the difference . But there must be a way doing this on the computer .
Can I use Soundforge for this ?
I would appreciate if anyone could point out a thread . To go through 7 threads on the PCM M 10 alone is quite a job . Thanks !
yes you can use soundforge or others mentioned, i use audacity
Thanks for the answer . However , I can't figure out to get the sample rate down on Sound Forge . I was posting it in this forum since SONY provided a free copy of Sound Forge with the purchase of the PCM M10 . Can I use that version to get the sample rate down ? What should I do ? I have tried but can't figure it out . I would appreciate if someone would point and give a little direction , or tell me where in which thread I can find that info . I have looked all over this forum but didn't find it . Thanks !
try this http://soundforge.helpmax.net/en/batchengine-chmbatchengine-hhc/processes/resample/Does anyknow where I can find info ( on this forum ) on how to reduce a 96/ 24 file to a standard WAV file , so I can play my files using my Sonos connect .just so you are clear, its not a m10 "issue" its a sample rate and/or dither issue, meaning any recorder you use and record at the high rate will need to be adjusted.
Now I simply make analog copies ( to minidisc ) and convert these to WAV files . I really don't hear the difference . But there must be a way doing this on the computer .
Can I use Soundforge for this ?
I would appreciate if anyone could point out a thread . To go through 7 threads on the PCM M 10 alone is quite a job . Thanks !
yes you can use soundforge or others mentioned, i use audacity
Thanks for the answer . However , I can't figure out to get the sample rate down on Sound Forge . I was posting it in this forum since SONY provided a free copy of Sound Forge with the purchase of the PCM M10 . Can I use that version to get the sample rate down ? What should I do ? I have tried but can't figure it out . I would appreciate if someone would point and give a little direction , or tell me where in which thread I can find that info . I have looked all over this forum but didn't find it . Thanks !
i use audacity so i am not sure if the link is correct but it should be
here is a video from the other day so its prob the most recent version too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_s9_RzH2r0
Don't know if this is being discussed before ( not on the first three threads that I did read ) .
When I listen to a recording on headphones , or line out to my stereo set , sometimes there is huge noise . Nothing but noise actually . Than I stop the play mode , hit the play button again and it's over. Really weird .
Don't know if this is being discussed before ( not on the first three threads that I did read ) .
When I listen to a recording on headphones , or line out to my stereo set , sometimes there is huge noise . Nothing but noise actually . Than I stop the play mode , hit the play button again and it's over. Really weird .
Don't know if this is being discussed before ( not on the first three threads that I did read ) .
When I listen to a recording on headphones , or line out to my stereo set , sometimes there is huge noise . Nothing but noise actually . Than I stop the play mode , hit the play button again and it's over. Really weird .
I've synced up recordings from three different M10s and the time-stretching needed has been minimal when they've been recording at the same frequency.Well, I think time stretching is kind of like golf where you have to do a drive then a putt or two. This would be helpful to get it on the green to begin with. Thanks for the info.
YMMV, obviously, but these particular M10s (purchased at different times from different vendors) were as close as one could reasonably expect.
I'm looking at moving over to the PCM-10 from my MZ-RH1 minidisc recorder. I've looked through a bunch of the faqs and the PCM-10 looks good.
But can anyone offer some personal experiences on the following?:
1- One of the things I really like about the MZ-RH1 is that the display and the record button is on the top of the unit. I can simply open my pocket a bit and look down "unobtrusively" to see how levels are doing as well as start the unit to record. It seems that with the PCM-10, I'll actually have to pull the thing out of my pocket. The comments I've seen say that the display backlight is somewhat dim. Is it dim enough to not draw attention after the house lights go down?
2- With the black matte finish PCM-10, is it easy to find the record button in a darkened environment?
3- I've read that many of you put tape over various switches so as to not accidentally change settings. Are the buttons so sensitive that settings are easily changed accidentally when the unit is in your pocket and let's say you brush up against the side of your seat or dancers next to you bump into you?
4- non-PCM-10 related - is there still a market out there for a used MZ-RH1?
I see many of you purchase through B&H. However, their free shipping is only to the contiguous 48 United States. Cheapest rates to us in Hawaii are almost $25 so I'll probably be going through Amazon. They fulfill this order through Kellard's. Hopefully, they are reputable.
Thanks for any input.
3. See #2. No need to tape over anything. Flip the hold on and you're not going to change anything but the levels. The level knob is firm enough that you're not going to change it accidentally (unless you wear those super tight emo jeans).
I've synced up recordings from three different M10s and the time-stretching needed has been minimal when they've been recording at the same frequency.
When one of the sources has had to be resampled the situation is much worse but I'm not sure you can blame the M10s for that.
YMMV, obviously, but these particular M10s (purchased at different times from different vendors) were as close as one could reasonably expect.
4) Your MZ-RH1 is worth a lot since it's the only one that uploads legacy MDs. Check out the Ebay prices. Other MD units, probably not so much...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mz-rh1&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_okw=&_oexkw=&_adv=1&LH_Complete=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50
does anyone use rechargeable batteries in their m10?
what brand?
what type?
how long do they last?
thinking of getting some for my kids wii and my mac keyboard so why not the m10 too
tia
I'm looking at moving over to the PCM-10 from my MZ-RH1 minidisc recorder. I've looked through a bunch of the faqs and the PCM-10 looks good.
But can anyone offer some personal experiences on the following?:
1- One of the things I really like about the MZ-RH1 is that the display and the record button is on the top of the unit. I can simply open my pocket a bit and look down "unobtrusively" to see how levels are doing as well as start the unit to record. It seems that with the PCM-10, I'll actually have to pull the thing out of my pocket. The comments I've seen say that the display backlight is somewhat dim. Is it dim enough to not draw attention after the house lights go down?
2- With the black matte finish PCM-10, is it easy to find the record button in a darkened environment?
3- I've read that many of you put tape over various switches so as to not accidentally change settings. Are the buttons so sensitive that settings are easily changed accidentally when the unit is in your pocket and let's say you brush up against the side of your seat or dancers next to you bump into you?
4- non-PCM-10 related - is there still a market out there for a used MZ-RH1?
I see many of you purchase through B&H. However, their free shipping is only to the contiguous 48 United States. Cheapest rates to us in Hawaii are almost $25 so I'll probably be going through Amazon. They fulfill this order through Kellard's. Hopefully, they are reputable.
Thanks for any input.
thanks guysdoes anyone use rechargeable batteries in their m10?
what brand?
what type?
how long do they last?
thinking of getting some for my kids wii and my mac keyboard so why not the m10 too
tia
I am using GP ReCyko batteries . These have the advantage they don't have to be empty in order to recharge them . I am using these for over a year and they're great .
The only thing I don't like about rechargables is the battery indicator on the recorder works incorrect . After a couple of hours it starts indicating they're almost empty but they still are almost full . I did change the settings on the recorder to rechargable though .
First of all, thank you everyone who answered my earlier questions about the PCM-M10 prior to my purchase. The answers and information I found here has been extremely helpful.what is the rest of your gear? Or are you using the m10 mics
The machine is truly alot easier to manage over the MZ-RH1 minidisc. I had no problems with settings changing with the unit in my pocket while recording a show the other night.
Prior to the show, I tested accidental button pressing by putting the machine in record mode and then in a pocket. I tried all manner of pressing the pocket, moving the PCM-M10 around while pushing the outside of the pocket, etc. There were no problems (and the machine was not in "hold").
As for operating at the show, you folks were correct when you said that the unit looks so much like an iphone that it does not draw undo attention in a darkened, stealth environment. What I learned, and I need to review the documentation a bit more, is that with the original settings - once the unit is recording for awhile, the display goes dark. I need to find how to keep the display dark when not actively playing with the recorder but easily turn the backlight on for adjusting the levels. Just using the blinking LED's as a guide was not enough.
Along those same lines, I appreciate the hint that said a good starting level would be about 5 on the REC LEVEL depending on mics used. To be safe, I started around 4 and that was too low. With the mics I was using and the seating location, I ended up at about 6.7 and still needed a small audio boost in Audition.
To anyone reading this thread and thinking about getting one of these units - you'll be happy if you do.
Thanks again to the folks here for your input.
Duh. I didn't even notice what the display button does.As you've probably noticed, the Display button actually changes what is displayed--elapsed time, negative elapsed time, date and time. You can light up the display by pushing the remote's T-Mark or Record buttons. Of course, the T-Mark will insert a (silent) mark the way the MD did--but if you don't want them you can erase all of them in that particular recording by going into Menu, Delete, and Delete All T-Mark. I generally hit the T-Mark button during applause--it's reassuring to see the levels, and it's a quick edit of the recordings if I want it. (You can use Divide to divide at your track marks.)
When I am travelling I use a small laptop to make a back up of the WAV files ( when I record a gig on my PCM M10 ) or rather to an USB stick for added safety .You should be able to connect most usb drives to an iPad but you will need an adapter (e.g. Lightning<>USB) because there is no USB slot.
Now I am thinking about moving to an IPAD ( or Mini ) . Can I add WAV files to the ipad at all ?
I am not an apple user so I have no idea if it is possible or not . Or how can I figure this out !
Not sure about the units you buy in the US, but my UK model came without a pouch.
I'm after a pleatherette pouch with a built-in belt clip for the back, and cable entries for the top. I'll be clipping this to my belt or a stand when open taping (or just stopping it from getting scuffed up when in my gear bag).
Anyone know what will fit (preferably available in Europe)?
I've owned this recorder a month and have mixed results so far ranging from excellent, to a buzzy recording (probably from recording right next to a desk).
Cheers,
Humbug
Is there any way you can make copies without a computer / tablet though ? ( like direct to an USB stick ).
You can also copy files to/from the internal memory. Using that, you can get the files onto two different microSD cards, or a microSD and the internal memory. Not super speedy, though.
you can use a 64gb MicroSD? that is good to know. What brand/model do you use?
Didn't someone determine that this had something to do with a small internal cell that needed to be kept charged?yes
IIRC the solution would be to leave the M10 on (not necessarily recording or playing) for a good few hours so that the cell gets a chance to recharge.
cushion (LCD)
415153701
$40.00 ea. + shipping
LCD sheet
415157001
$3.00 ea. + shipping
I finally have a problem with an M10 and it's a doozy. Cracked display. A tripod fell on it and now it lights up but the LCD doesn't do anything else.
Anyone looked into replacing the LED display? I have a call in to Sweetwater parts now to find out the cost of the replacement part, I was thinking of taking it to a cellphone repair place to get it installed, as Sony will charge $100-125 just to look at it, and of course I can replace it for $200-250.
Something different w.r.t. M10:
Where could I find affordable spare battery door(s)?
The hinges are quite fragile..
Is it already in this thread?
Something different w.r.t. M10:
Where could I find affordable spare battery door(s)?
The hinges are quite fragile..
Is it already in this thread?
Spare battery door is #66, the linkage is #65 in the diagram that I got from sweetwater. I bet they don't cost much, but take 3-5 weeks to arrive!!!
Local (Dutch) Sony dealer responded back to me that there is no spare battery door part...Where could I find affordable spare battery door(s)?
Spare battery door is #66 D'OH! That's the memory slot door. Oops! :'(
So if you or anyone can get me one, please help!
Oops! :-[ I'll ask about it when I'm ordering the new screen.Would be great; please let us Dutchies know what is available.
Since I'm upgrading from just the M10 to a set of mics and battery box soon, I plan on getting a Zune Gear Bag I saw someone else recommend. I really like the hard divider between the two halves. On the side meant to hold the Zune, I plan on putting the M10 and battery box. The other side will hold mics, extension cable, clips, mounting bar, etc. Wish I could remember where I saw this recommended, but I'm passing it on here. Once I get my mics, I'll try to remember to post pics of how it all fits. Great video overview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErNJuU_91RQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErNJuU_91RQ)
http://www.amazon.com/Zune-Gear-Bag/dp/B000IXNEI4 (http://www.amazon.com/Zune-Gear-Bag/dp/B000IXNEI4)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/GENUINE-Microsoft-Zune-Gear-Bag-9DQ-00001-882224274692-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/$%28KGrHqFHJCUE-fWmI2TSBPoO64IPGg~~60_35.JPG)
after seeing this post i picked up one of these Zune cases from Amazon for $5.99. great case for the M-10 and associated gear. here are some pics. on one side of the case i've got my M-10 and ck1s caps; on the other side i've got the collete's, main mic cable, interconnect, a couple of AA batteries and my Tinybox. :DSince I'm upgrading from just the M10 to a set of mics and battery box soon, I plan on getting a Zune Gear Bag I saw someone else recommend. I really like the hard divider between the two halves. On the side meant to hold the Zune, I plan on putting the M10 and battery box. The other side will hold mics, extension cable, clips, mounting bar, etc. Wish I could remember where I saw this recommended, but I'm passing it on here. Once I get my mics, I'll try to remember to post pics of how it all fits. Great video overview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErNJuU_91RQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErNJuU_91RQ)
http://www.amazon.com/Zune-Gear-Bag/dp/B000IXNEI4 (http://www.amazon.com/Zune-Gear-Bag/dp/B000IXNEI4)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/GENUINE-Microsoft-Zune-Gear-Bag-9DQ-00001-882224274692-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/$%28KGrHqFHJCUE-fWmI2TSBPoO64IPGg~~60_35.JPG)
Anyone used a 32gb class 10 "ultra" micro sd card in the m10? Would this be too fast for the recorder?
I recently bought a new Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion OS. When I connect my M10 it doesnt recognize the memory card. Anybody with the same issues and/or a solution? Sorry if I posted it in the wrong place.
Well the card has been formatted in M10 months ago. The problem appears when I connect the recorder to the mac via usb. The memory card isnt recognized then.
I just found out that if I take the card off and put it in an SD card reader then the mac recognizes it flawlessly. Funny.
Well the card has been formatted in M10 months ago. The problem appears when I connect the recorder to the mac via usb. The memory card isnt recognized then.
I just found out that if I take the card off and put it in an SD card reader then the mac recognizes it flawlessly. Funny.
This may be a dumb attempt at an answer, but it took me a time or two on my windows XP machine to realize that the memory card is recognized as a separate drive.
Upon connecting the M10, a window pops up showing the internal memory of the M10 but it's labelled as F: for example.
To see the memory card, I had to go back into explorer and open drive G: Drive G: had the files. Hopefully this is all it is for you.
This may be a dumb attempt at an answer, but it took me a time or two on my windows XP machine to realize that the memory card is recognized as a separate drive.
Upon connecting the M10, a window pops up showing the internal memory of the M10 but it's labelled as F: for example.
To see the memory card, I had to go back into explorer and open drive G: Drive G: had the files. Hopefully this is all it is for you.
This may be a dumb attempt at an answer, but it took me a time or two on my windows XP machine to realize that the memory card is recognized as a separate drive.
Upon connecting the M10, a window pops up showing the internal memory of the M10 but it's labelled as F: for example.
To see the memory card, I had to go back into explorer and open drive G: Drive G: had the files. Hopefully this is all it is for you.
I knew that. I had an old macbook pro with Snow Leopard and when I connected the m10 I saw 2 discs, one for the machine and one for the card. Now in my new mac with Mountain Lion I see only the disc of the machine and not the memory card.
I recently bought a new Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion OS. When I connect my M10 it doesnt recognize the memory card. Anybody with the same issues and/or a solution? Sorry if I posted it in the wrong place.Does it show up in Disk Utility?
Well the card has been formatted in M10 months ago. The problem appears when I connect the recorder to the mac via usb. The memory card isnt recognized then.
I just found out that if I take the card off and put it in an SD card reader then the mac recognizes it flawlessly. Funny.
Anybody got much experience using the mic-in on the M10?
I am wondering, if I go mics > BB > mic-in and still get levels at say -6dB to -12dB, would I ever run the risk of a clipped recording if my rec level was always at a healthy figure, say 5? I am thinking not, as the rec level would be set high enough to have confidence in the resulting meter output dB levels.....
what is the battery life when recording 24/48 WITH THE BACK LIGHT? without is around 40 hours so what is the difference?
Yup, I just did a recording that was mics > battery box > MIC IN (low sens) at level 6 w/ max peaks at -12dB. Even after normalizing to -1dB it's nice and clean. Go for it - you won't be disappointed.
I have not got anywhere near 40 hrs of battery, more like 18-20 for me but that isn't straight it is start stop
no just recording with mem hitting the backlight button here and thereI have not got anywhere near 40 hrs of battery, more like 18-20 for me but that isn't straight it is start stop
is that with the back light on?
Anybody got much experience using the mic-in on the M10?
I am wondering, if I go mics > BB > mic-in and still get levels at say -6dB to -12dB, would I ever run the risk of a clipped recording if my rec level was always at a healthy figure, say 5? I am thinking not, as the rec level would be set high enough to have confidence in the resulting meter output dB levels.....
Hello.
Today I received my new Sony PCM M-10.
It is very good =) and Im happy. But AC is not 220v its only 120V, so I need to buy separate AC.
I have a question. Because I didnt find it in manual.
Do Sony PCM M-10, with attached power, act as battery charging device or I need to use separate barrery charger?
look at digit "1" in "U" it means UHS-1. Does anyone tryed to use it withj Sony PCM M-10 ?
Another question about Sony PCM M-10.
It was shipped with AC power adapter but for US standart 110v. I have here 220v 50hz standart, so I cant use this AC adapter.
I buyed today universal 1,5-12v power adapter for 220v. But when I use multimeter It shows me that when 3v set up ~6v and when 1.5volts (minimal) setup - 4.4 v !!! this is chinese I think)) So im afraid to use it, because Sony M10 need 3v input.
Maybe somewho buyed some AC adapters and can use multimeter to know if 4.4v can kill Sony or it can work with 4.4v instead of 3v.
Does the M10 have menus and do they rap around? I plan on setting things once, i.e. turning down the display, setting things to record in 24-bit and a particular sampling rate, and just leaving them for good.
I've read that the input gain on the M10 is a dial. Does this dial have any tactile feedback as it turns, such as detents, clicks ...
I'm just wondering how to accurately set levels to something near unity gain, and then taping the knob down so it won't budge.
Thanks,
Chris
It was shipped with AC power adapter but for US standart 110v. I have here 220v 50hz standart, so I cant use this AC adapter.
All you need is a plug adapter (without converter). Something like this (but you should be able to find one cheaper): http://russiankeyboards.com/uselpoouad.html (http://russiankeyboards.com/uselpoouad.html).Hello!
Try using a card reader instead of connecting the M10 via USB. I get waaaaay better transfer speeds using the card reader...
All I do is formatting the memory card after every show . That was a great piece of advice I did read here !I didnt read it. Why need to format memory card after every recording job?
You don't need to. I usually only format the card if I think I don't have enough space on it anymore OR if I deleted/edited a recording on the card.All I do is formatting the memory card after every show . That was a great piece of advice I did read here !I didnt read it. Why need to format memory card after every recording job?
You don't need to. I usually only format the card if I think I don't have enough space on it anymore OR if I deleted/edited a recording on the card.All I do is formatting the memory card after every show . That was a great piece of advice I did read here !I didnt read it. Why need to format memory card after every recording job?
From my own experience, you won't run into problems as long as you don't keep deleting files in the middle of the card. I just keep recording until the card is full and then format. Zero problems.
From my own experience, you won't run into problems as long as you don't keep deleting files in the middle of the card. I just keep recording until the card is full and then format. Zero problems.
This is what I do too. No funny business thus far...
caution: don't format your card before getting the data off the card. So this means you should NOT format while at a show!
I *always* transfer and label data from the recorder(s) to at least my DAW and another HDD as soon as I get home from a gig. Maybe the next morning if it is an exceptionally late night, but always within 24 hours of the gig.
I format my micro sdhc card *before* every show. That way I have the master copy of my most recent show u tip the next one. Making the formatting part of my pre show routine has been easy: I format the card while setting up the microphones.
I format my micro sdhc card *before* every show. That way I have the master copy of my most recent show u tip the next one. Making the formatting part of my pre show routine has been easy: I format the card while setting up the microphones.
I do the same!!
You need mics that are very sensitive and im not sure those are the right choice.there is no air conditioner it fully closed room as much silent as I can make it.
Also where are you recording ?it sounds like a fan or air conditioner in the background as those will be picked up regardless of mics.
Sorry i can't be of more help with your question but perhaps try again late at night in side of a car as i've found that to be very quiet for interviews and such.I think ambience is not the reason. Because when I totally close microphones with my hands - hiss sound do not change volume and anythink.
Have you tried any other combination? How about mic sensitivity on low and more gain from the M-10, say 5? Also are you recording 24 bit? I'd be curious how those changes sound when you record in the same situation. And yes a battery box or pre-amp line in should yield better sound, but first I'd try fiddling with what I have. Good luck!You need mics that are very sensitive and im not sure those are the right choice.there is no air conditioner it fully closed room as much silent as I can make it.
Also where are you recording ?it sounds like a fan or air conditioner in the background as those will be picked up regardless of mics.
I selected Soundprofessionals MS-TFB-2 because they promised very good sensitivity.
In this table http://www.soundsurvey.org.uk/index.php/survey/budget_mics/ they have the best sensitivity and noise level values. But so bad in real. why :(
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CAN some who please record in the quiet room with Sony M-10 and rec gain 3 and mic sensitivity high some short example? So I can compare hiss sound. Maybe mine Sony M-10 is too noisy?
Have you tried any other combination? How about mic sensitivity on low and more gain from the M-10, say 5? Also are you recording 24 bit? I'd be curious how those changes sound when you record in the same situation. And yes a battery box or pre-amp line in should yield better sound, but first I'd try fiddling with what I have. Good luck!Yes I tried to make low sensitivity and make gain higher - the same result.
Have you tried any other combination? How about mic sensitivity on low and more gain from the M-10, say 5? Also are you recording 24 bit? I'd be curious how those changes sound when you record in the same situation. And yes a battery box or pre-amp line in should yield better sound, but first I'd try fiddling with what I have. Good luck!Yes I tried to make low sensitivity and make gain higher - the same result.
Another problem is when I connect Sony PCM M-10 to my soundcard line-in, with internal microphones all good, but when I connect external microphones I hear BUZZ.
here is example: https://soundcloud.com/dave_scream/buzz
So I cant use sony M-10 as preamp for external microphones. Again why? :(
I never got it to work correctly. Bought it from Amazon so I don't think it was counterfeit although that appears to be an issue. Needless to say it's going back. Maybe it was just a compatibility issue as Bean mentioned. Needed something right away for Lock'n so just picked up another 16 GB ScanDisk like the one I already use. For future reference, which 32 GB cards are proven to work?
I never got it to work correctly. Bought it from Amazon so I don't think it was counterfeit although that appears to be an issue.
What about the `24-bit` capabilities of the M10?
How useful it is to record in 24-bit on this particular deck?What about the `24-bit` capabilities of the M10?
What do you mean? what do you want/need to know?
not writing the r09 off yet
im doing a bunch of mic in and line in tests with the m10 vs R09 now
as far as sound goes, they are identical to my ears
as far as input noise they are very similar. i see noise as high as -50 to -60 dB at the highest gain ranges
at comparable input levels, RMS noise level measured with 'statistics' using soundforge
mic in:
both R09 and M10:~ -79db
line in:
R09: -93.4dB
M10: -87.5dB
6dB is a fair amount if youre running levels low and normalizing....
If you're like me and find the line in jack to be loose, this is a great idea.
I don't know what happened the other night. I was plugged out of a SBD and set my M10 to 24/96 and hit record. The red record light was on and the levels were going but the counter was --:-- and not moving at all. I just let it fly. The 2nd set came and it started that way again so I stopped the recording and dropped it down to 24/48 and hit record and the same thing happened.
It turns out in the end that the whole first set was static and the second set recorded fine. I'm not too worried as I was patched out of a buddy who does SBDs only and his recording was clean. I also had two pairs of mics on stage, but still...
What cables were used to patch out of the SBD? RCA>1/8" or XLR>1/8" ???
What cables were used to patch out of the SBD? RCA>1/8" or XLR>1/8" ???
I am positive the pause button was OFF because I ended up with a recording of static. I think that the 64GB card that I use couldn't handle the 96k part of what I was trying for the first time. (I normally go 24/48)
I was using XLR outs from the master off the SBD. My buddy Tom put his attenuators inline and plugged them right into his Zoom. I took a 1/8" to 1/8" off his Zoom. His recording is fine of the first set is fine and mine is hosed.
Thats VERY peculiar IMO ??? Makes absolutely no sense at all that he got a fine recording while you got HOSED!!! Maybe something was wrong with his line out? Or maybe the mini>mini cable wasnt seated properly in his line out or your line in? Thats the ONLY thing I can think of.
It turns out in the end that the whole first set was static and the second set recorded fine.
It turns out in the end that the whole first set was static and the second set recorded fine.
The audio may be present, just misaligned. You should import the audio as raw into your editor of choice and then experiment with offsetting. You may find your waveforms suddenly appear. This has come up quite a few times in the past, though rarely with the m10.
It is best to format the card in the unit so that it can populate the card with the directory structure you noticed. That structure does need to be there.
I did a quick search on that file and found the following:
http://www.sony-asia.com/support/faq/242217
John
Will the PCM-M10 support 32GB cards or higher?Yes, there have been reports. Links others can give.
Will the PCM-M10 support 32GB cards or higher?
So I'm looking into purchasing one of these and getting into the hobby. Originally I was planning on getting the H4N because of the 4-track recording (I assume that means I can record the out from the sbd and the ambient noise at the same time, is that right?).
It seems like the PCM-M10 has much better reviews though, my only hang up on it though is would I be able to record the soundboard and the ambient noise at the same time with it, or if not what would be necessary to do so? I've got some extra money in my budget for cables,accessories, ect. so I'm open to the PCM-M10 if it's doable.
So I'm looking into purchasing one of these and getting into the hobby. Originally I was planning on getting the H4N because of the 4-track recording (I assume that means I can record the out from the sbd and the ambient noise at the same time, is that right?).
It seems like the PCM-M10 has much better reviews though, my only hang up on it though is would I be able to record the soundboard and the ambient noise at the same time with it, or if not what would be necessary to do so? I've got some extra money in my budget for cables,accessories, ect. so I'm open to the PCM-M10 if it's doable.
The PCM-M10 only takes a stero input through mic-in or line-in. You'd need a mixer if you wanted to do SBD + ambient.
The problems widely reported with Zooms are cheap build quality and noisy inputs. I've never had one so I can't say. But if you have access to the SBD you might want to budget for a PCM-M10 plus mics and mixer.
So I'm looking into purchasing one of these and getting into the hobby. Originally I was planning on getting the H4N because of the 4-track recording (I assume that means I can record the out from the sbd and the ambient noise at the same time, is that right?).
It seems like the PCM-M10 has much better reviews though, my only hang up on it though is would I be able to record the soundboard and the ambient noise at the same time with it, or if not what would be necessary to do so? I've got some extra money in my budget for cables,accessories, ect. so I'm open to the PCM-M10 if it's doable.
The PCM-M10 only takes a stero input through mic-in or line-in. You'd need a mixer if you wanted to do SBD + ambient.
The problems widely reported with Zooms are cheap build quality and noisy inputs. I've never had one so I can't say. But if you have access to the SBD you might want to budget for a PCM-M10 plus mics and mixer.
I, too, would DEF recommend the Sony M10 over the Zoom ANYDAY of the week ;) If you wanted to do 4-track recording, like SBD>recorder + Mics>recorder and do both stereo sources on ONE recorder, the Tascam DR2D is the way to go. Under $200 and you can run SBD>LINE IN DR2D and Mics>MIC IN DR2D ;) If you just want a 2-channel stereo recorder, the Sony PCM-M10 is HANDS DOWN the way to go IMO. Has an AMAZING battery life, the M10s preamps and ADC are way above expected for such a small and cheap handheld recorder, and it does 24bit, just like the Tascam DR2D ;) So, do you need 2-channel or 4-channel ??? Once you answer that, we can go from there ;)
Thanks guys. I should have done some digging before asking that question. Apparently you can even go 64GB if you format the card for FAT32 first. More info at:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/456327/sony-pcm-m10-as-portable-player/120#post_8727898
Off I go to compare some prices online. :)
Well 4 channel sounds way more convenient. Would you be able to give me an idea of what i'd be losing out on getting the DR2D over the PCM-M10?
edit: Also if I were to go with the PCM-M10 how much should i expect to drop on a mixer?
I am not sure why you would want to buy a mixer and an M10 or multiple M10s. A dr2d will do everything you need it to in a small footprint.
I am not sure why you would want to buy a mixer and an M10 or multiple M10s. A dr2d will do everything you need it to in a small footprint.
A dr2d also limits you to using the internal mics for two of your channels, yes? Whereas a pair of M10s would enable you to use, say, external mics plus a soundboard feed.
This is wrong on both counts. The dr2d will allow you to run 4 external mics, and there is a lot of info in the dr2d thread about the many ways to do this. The Sony m10 is a 2 channel recorder, and like all 2 channel recorders you are limited to a number of possible 2 channel options, but cannot combine 2 of the options as you suggest above. Ironically you can do what you suggest with the dr2d.
A dr2d also limits you to using the internal mics for two of your channels, yes? Whereas a pair of M10s would enable you to use, say, external mics plus a soundboard feed.
This is wrong on both counts. The dr2d will allow you to run 4 external mics, and there is a lot of info in the dr2d thread about the many ways to do this. The Sony m10 is a 2 channel recorder, and like all 2 channel recorders you are limited to a number of possible 2 channel options, but cannot combine 2 of the options as you suggest above. Ironically you can do what you suggest with the dr2d.
A dr2d also limits you to using the internal mics for two of your channels, yes? Whereas a pair of M10s would enable you to use, say, external mics plus a soundboard feed.
Even though Ive been mostly using the PCM-m10 together with an SD302 and a few nice mics, I am always very impressed on how the unit records with its internal mics. Here's a recording I did yesterday in a central square in Barcelona of a traditional catalan music ensemble. There's a bit of post involved (Comp, EQ, reverb) but the sound was really there already.
I can't seem to find info on how much gain the m10 adds/attenuates on line-in at various knob settings.approx 2.5 db for each number
Anyone saved that data? I sorta recall that it was probably posted at some point. Or maybe it wasn't?
Guess we need a FAQ :P
I can't seem to find info on how much gain the m10 adds/attenuates on line-in at various knob settings.approx 2.5 db for each number
Anyone saved that data? I sorta recall that it was probably posted at some point. Or maybe it wasn't?
Guess we need a FAQ :P
I used three different levels of white noise to test it out and all there came back as 4 being "unity"
Sorry for not reading thru the thread or searching, but what's the largest card being used now?
Sorry for not reading thru the thread or searching, but what's the largest card being used now?
I've been using a 32 Gb card in mine for some time with no issues at all. I think at 24/48, that gives you over 20 hours of recording time on a 32 Gb card if I remember right.
Thinking about getting an M10 to use for Soundboard patches. Will the Line In work even thought it's really mic in? I don't see any other input to use from the photos of each side of this recorder. Also, is the SD card size the same one you use for the Marantz PMD 661? The 661 uses an SD card not a micro SD card
thanks for any info
Thinking about getting an M10 to use for Soundboard patches. Will the Line In work even thought it's really mic in? I don't see any other input to use from the photos of each side of this recorder. Also, is the SD card size the same one you use for the Marantz PMD 661? The 661 uses an SD card not a micro SD card
thanks for any info
Line in is an amplified signal. Like the one from a soundboard. Mic-in means a preamplifier boosts a mic signal.
Asking this on behalf of a friend. His line in jack on the m10 is giving him issues. Is there anyone you can send it to for repair or is he better off just buying a new one? From what he said the jack is loose and the signal is cutting in and out.
On the SBD question, i had no problems recording line in. XLR out of the board to mini to m10. Worked perfectly.
Asking this on behalf of a friend. His line in jack on the m10 is giving him issues. Is there anyone you can send it to for repair or is he better off just buying a new one? From what he said the jack is loose and the signal is cutting in and out.
On the SBD question, i had no problems recording line in. XLR out of the board to mini to m10. Worked perfectly.
Probably bad solder joint to the board, best to completely remove all the old solder and replace it with 63/37 eutectic solder. Any electronics repair shop would be able to do this for you if you neither of you solder.
Just a quick heads-up for anybody who's interested, that tripod mounting hole thread on the back of the M10 is universal amongst all Sony PCM recorders. So the Sony XLR-1 mic adaptor also fits perfectly with the M10 allowing easy use of mics with XLR's requiring phantom power:
whered you get those 1/8" rubber hole covers at? My M10s dont leave my bags so I dont really need them, but Id like to have a pair regardless :)
Does somebody know if the Sony XLR-1 is still available in Europe?
Just a quick heads-up for anybody who's interested, that tripod mounting hole thread on the back of the M10 is universal amongst all Sony PCM recorders. So the Sony XLR-1 mic adaptor also fits perfectly with the M10 allowing easy use of mics with XLR's requiring phantom power:what is and where did you get the cap inside the mic in plug?
Excellent technical review of the M10 here:
http://kenrockwell.com/audio/sony/pcm-m10.htm
Has lots of info on self-noise, and also detailed max input and attenuation figures for each record level on the line and mic inputs.
Excellent technical review of the M10 here:
http://kenrockwell.com/audio/sony/pcm-m10.htm
Has lots of info on self-noise, and also detailed max input and attenuation figures for each record level on the line and mic inputs.
I am confused on the attenuanation figures. By reading past treads I thought that the attenuation was close to zero around 4-5 gain level. Where am I wrong?
Cheers, Mauro
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TMI
Has anyone else noticed that the automatic level control applies very little gain?
Been wanting to pick up a second one for a while and found a new one at Guitar Center this afternoon marked down to $130. No way I could pass that up. Now I have a black and red one!
Been wanting to pick up a second one for a while and found a new one at Guitar Center this afternoon marked down to $130. No way I could pass that up. Now I have a black and red one!
DXA-6A looks similar to XLR-1, so yes, I would think that it would work fine, and pretty transparent as it is passive like the XLR-1.
Wondering about that camera mount screw on the Beachtek in your photo, maybe it would fit to the Sony PCM recorders ok?
Reading the blurb I understood that the knob was only for attenuation so if you left it at unity its no change. I could well be wrong because Ive never used one.
I give up. Can someone direct to the m10 FAQ? I looked all over...
Maiden voyage tonight. Trying to find a quick overview of standard settings, unity gain.
Thanks, dogmusic. But I'm still looking for the FAQ someone mentioned. I have some questions about this unit, and don't really want to try to read thru all 847 pages.start the m10 knob at 4
Maiden voyage last night--I'm underwhelmed. Maybe I just prefer the cheaper stuff, or maybe I just like being a non-comformist, but I like my Dr-680 more than the R-44, so far I like the R-05 more than the M10, and I prefer my AT's to the Neumann's. But maybe if I figure out this damn gain knob, I'll learn to love the M10 the way I'm supposed to.
Thanks, voltronic, very helpful!ahh
willndmb, my problem with the dial is keeping it from from spinning. I guess I can tape it, but that is far from ideal.
the R-05 seems better suited for my needs.The location of the record level buttons, the lock switch and the input jacks is ideal on the R-05. I find it preferable for these reasons too.
I haven't used a 64GB card yet, but as I understand it, 64GB cards are XC (extra-high-capacity?) rather than HC (high capacity?) cards with a different format. They need to be formatted to FAT32 so the PCM-M10 can read them. Recent Windows versions don't have a FAT32 Format option for those big cards, but third-party software will do it.
Anyway, try reformatting it in the computer. Here's a step-by-step.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/456327/sony-pcm-m10-as-portable-player/120
My guess is that the PCM-M10 never expected anything bigger than 32GB so that's how it formatted the card.
Any solutions for Vista?thank me later :)
Try here:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=147551.msg1891476 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=147551.msg1891476)
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=151345.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=151345.0)
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=139501.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=139501.0)
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=124639.0
Sorry, I wasn't actually looking for a primer (I've read the manual and the FAQ on here, which are both very helpful, thanks), more a "we accept you, one of us!"
I do have one specific question now, though: The awesomeness of the M10's preamp notwithstanding, I'm still better off running CA-14 cards through Line In with a battery box if I have one, yes?
In short, I'm very pleased with the M10. Still need to test it in some other settings, but right now it seems every bit as good as folks on here have advertised.
1) It's going to take me a while to get used to the display, after years of a Rockboxed iRiver. I missed Rockbox's logarithmic metering — when I first started recording and the crowd noise didn't even show on the meter, I briefly panicked that I wasn't getting a signal at all — and not having a time counter constantly counting up to show me that the recording is running was unnerving as well, though of course there's the red recording light (and yellow pause light) for that.
1) It's going to take me a while to get used to the display, after years of a Rockboxed iRiver. I missed Rockbox's logarithmic metering — when I first started recording and the crowd noise didn't even show on the meter, I briefly panicked that I wasn't getting a signal at all — and not having a time counter constantly counting up to show me that the recording is running was unnerving as well, though of course there's the red recording light (and yellow pause light) for that.
Press the "Display" button. It toggles through three or four options, one of which is elapsed time...
Also, you should consider taping the switches down with little pieces of gaffer's tape. Low-cost insurance against accidentally moving one.
Press the "Display" button. It toggles through three or four options, one of which is elapsed time...
At most amplified shows I run CA-14-->9V battery box-->Line-in with recording level around 5. For super-blasting shows I've taken the recording level down to 2.fyi 4 is "unity" going up to 5 adds approx 2.5 db, going down to 2 would drop the signal approx 5db
Although the CA-14 are relatively low-sensitivity mics, in order to handle amplified music, I've never needed to preamp them. For something acoustic, straight into mic-in is fine. And for virtually everything amplified, battery box is enough to give you a good line-in signal.
At most amplified shows I run CA-14-->9V battery box-->Line-in with recording level around 5. For super-blasting shows I've taken the recording level down to 2.fyi 4 is "unity" going up to 5 adds approx 2.5 db, going down to 2 would drop the signal approx 5db
Although the CA-14 are relatively low-sensitivity mics, in order to handle amplified music, I've never needed to preamp them. For something acoustic, straight into mic-in is fine. And for virtually everything amplified, battery box is enough to give you a good line-in signal.
So for anyone reding who might not have a pre, you can still gauge what you need to do with the wheel based on the meter reading on he m10
fyi 4 is "unity"Where does this research come from? When the M10 came out, several tests indicated no unity setting was needed
fyi 4 is "unity"Where does this research come from? When the M10 came out, several tests indicated no unity setting was needed
So, yes, unity is that. And unity is helpful if you don't want to use any gain from the deck itself (for a consumer product, the M10's internals are VERY quiet). If you're using a preamp. the idea has always been to set unity on your recorder and ride the gain on the preamp.
Recently my PCM M10 during a concert starts recording that typical cellphone interference whenever I receive a SMS ( text message ) during recording .
Is this picked up by the PCM M10 , or by the microphone itself ( in my case a core sound stealtly card ) ?
I never had this problem until recently , and I also switched a phone brand ( so it can't be the phone itself ) .
Anything I can do against this ( and I don't mean shutting the phone off ) . ?
Thanks !
Recently my PCM M10 during a concert starts recording that typical cellphone interference whenever I receive a SMS ( text message ) during recording .
Is this picked up by the PCM M10 , or by the microphone itself ( in my case a core sound stealtly card ) ?
I never had this problem until recently , and I also switched a phone brand ( so it can't be the phone itself ) .
Anything I can do against this ( and I don't mean shutting the phone off ) . ?
Thanks !
Anyone else using rechargeables here ?
I think that I did a test with the Eneloop AA's when I first got the M10 and it recorded for about 15 hours if I recall correctly. What I do not recall was if it died first or the Tinybox died first. Something is telling me that it might have been the Tinybox.
If you have a Costco near you they sell blister packs of Eneloop batteries regularly for $20.
On the M10, do the level indicators at the top only operate when using the internal mics?no
I am legally blind so love my PMD660 because the level indicators are very easy to see when I belt mount or wear it over my shoulder.
Definitely would like a smaller recorder like the M10, but it's not too low profile to hold your deck 2 inches from your face to try to read the LCD display to set levels :)
Just curious.... thanks
On the M10, do the level indicators at the top only operate when using the internal mics?no
The meters and the lights work on external mic/line in too
The lights kick on at -12
had a preamp issue and had to run the m10 solo tonight, had to run at .5 on the volume to keep from clipping. Any ideas why or what I should do to run at a higher volume level, I may be stuck running this way again Friday night for an even louder show.
The recording is muddy, flat and most likely very compressed :(
Problems averted. Nbox patched for the night
4
Going up and down a number will increase/decrease the gain by approx 2.5db
4
Going up and down a number will increase/decrease the gain by approx 2.5db
very well could be4
Going up and down a number will increase/decrease the gain by approx 2.5db
I've mentioned this before, but there seems to be some variation between build standards in this respect. Going from 3 to 4, or 4 to 5 on my M10 is definitely a 5dB change. Some M10s seem linear, others not.