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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: Brian Skalinder on August 12, 2007, 03:04:47 PM
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Another thread (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,89211.msg1187244.html#msg1187244) piqued my interest about how many people have registered their versions of CD-Wave. While I don't have high hopes for broad participation in the poll, remember: this poll is anonymous, so please respond honestly.
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For the use I've gotten out of it, to kick in $15 was nothing. I've paid far more for much shittier apps.
While I'm thinking about good use, I've haven't put anything in the TS.com collection plate in a while. :-\ I hope to remedy that soon.
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I've got a question, but first:
I purchased my license for the software a long time ago. And yes, it is a great piece of software, still use it to cut tracks. Since then I've built a whole new computer and have reinstalled everything including CD Wave. BUT now it says that it isn't licensed. So my question is this: Should I pay again for a license I've already payed for? I still have my receipt of payment. What do you guys think?
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the fifteen bucks was a pleasure considering how many tracks I've split with this great lil program..
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I've got a question, but first:
I purchased my license for the software a long time ago. And yes, it is a great piece of software, still use it to cut tracks. Since then I've built a whole new computer and have reinstalled everything including CD Wave. BUT now it says that it isn't licensed. So my question is this: Should I pay again for a license I've already payed for? I still have my receipt of payment. What do you guys think?
Aren't you able to just input your serial-number again to re-register it?
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I've got a question, but first:
I purchased my license for the software a long time ago. And yes, it is a great piece of software, still use it to cut tracks. Since then I've built a whole new computer and have reinstalled everything including CD Wave. BUT now it says that it isn't licensed. So my question is this: Should I pay again for a license I've already payed for? I still have my receipt of payment. What do you guys think?
From CDWave's FAQ
Registration
I lost my registered version, how can I get it back?
Donwload the shareware version of CD Wave, it won't expire or so. Contact me, and mention your name and city where you live (or lived, if you moved after registering). It may take a few weeks to process your request. You will receive a registration key.
Didn't realize the price had gone up to $15. Even at that it is a bargain and money well spent. Way back when (version 1.40 when I frst downloaded it) it was only $10. Wonder what it will run to upgrade once v2.0 arrives?
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one of those things i keep meaning to do, but never get around to. it's in my never ending, things to do list. maybe it'll be $20 by the time i get to it, but i will someday.
i know that sounds like a cop-out, but that's the best i can do atm.
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I wont lie, for years I never knew a license reg was required, but Im a cheapskate about programs and have never paid a dime for it......
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I wont lie, for years I never knew a license reg was required, but Im a cheapskate about programs and have never paid a dime for it......
Has it always needed licensing? I honestly don't remember seeing anything about fees. I'm in the same boat, I suppose. I've gotten as much or more use out of the software than other apps.
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CDWav was a savior when I started using it in 98. It wasn't until 05 when I was still using it for everthing I tracked that I coughed up some money. Now I'm tracking 24bit and CDWav is still the way to go. Best $15 dollars I've ever spent on software, even better knowing it was voluntary after 7 years of 'trial' use.
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Registering software is similar to buying in the Yard Sale. A certain faith and integrity is propelled into the "universe" at both ends of the transaction, and we all attempt to do the right thing. Sometimes, I sense that shareware is a bit easier to let slide......
We all must choose our integrity in the moment.
Not long ago, I told one of our sisters here on ts.com that she could consider a small item I sent to her as having been paid if she said or did something unexpectedly nice for someone that day. She agreed. I trust that she did.
A chap who has written some great CareWare and freeware writes about it here: http://www.arachnoid.com/freeware/index.html and here: http://www.arachnoid.com/careware/index.html
I registered my copy of CD Wave. I hope you will too.
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I wont lie, for years I never knew a license reg was required, but Im a cheapskate about programs and have never paid a dime for it......
Has it always needed licensing? I honestly don't remember seeing anything about fees. I'm in the same boat, I suppose. I've gotten as much or more use out of the software than other apps.
afaik, yes, it's always had the licensing request/requirement. I know it was there back in version 1.40 and assume it was in earlier versions. Just checked the internet archive and can not find any pages archived before version 1.92 so can't tell you when it was first included.
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Best $15 dollars I've ever spent on software, even better knowing it was voluntary after 7 years of 'trial' use.
I think this is part of the reason many people haven't purchased their CD-Wave license (and one of the reasons I started this thread): misunderstanding of the license requirements. Purchasing a license if using the program beyond the 31-day trial period is not voluntary - it's compulsory to satisfy the terms of the license. The author simply chose not to implement software mechanisms (like crippling the software after 31-days, or providing a limited-functionality demo) to compel people to purchase the license. Nonetheless, users are obligated to purchase the license if they continue to use the software beyond the trial period.
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how many have kicked-down for their BT software?
Depends on the software. AFAICT, BitTorrent itself doesn't require payment, per the BitTorrent Open Source license (http://www.bittorrent.com/bittorrent-open-source-license). A quick scan of the license reveals it does not preclude others from charging a fee for the software, so some re-packaged versions may require payment. My version (1.6.1) of uTorrent states:
Thank you for using this FREE program. I hope you like it. If you paid for it, get a refund!
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I wont lie, for years I never knew a license reg was required, but Im a cheapskate about programs and have never paid a dime for it......
I personally dont see how anyone can use a program beyond the "free" usage period and not pay for it.. it's fifteen dollars! in one sentence you say you're not lying and didnt know the license registration was required, and then you say you're a cheapskate and won't pay for it anyway. so what does it matter whether you knew you had to register it at all?
"It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." franklin
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I wont lie, for years I never knew a license reg was required, but Im a cheapskate about programs and have never paid a dime for it......
You can buy recording equipment but can't pony up 15 bucks ?! That's f'ing weaksause ...
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one of those things i keep meaning to do, but never get around to. it's in my never ending, things to do list. maybe it'll be $20 by the time i get to it, but i will someday.
i know that sounds like a cop-out, but that's the best i can do atm.
You can buy recording equipment but can't pony up 15 bucks ?! That f'ing weaksause ...
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one of those things i keep meaning to do, but never get around to. it's in my never ending, things to do list. maybe it'll be $20 by the time i get to it, but i will someday.
i know that sounds like a cop-out, but that's the best i can do atm.
You can buy recording equipment but can't pony up 15 bucks ?! That f'ing weaksause ...
hehehehehehehehehehehe *weaksauce*
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Best $15 dollars I've ever spent on software, even better knowing it was voluntary after 7 years of 'trial' use.
I think this is part of the reason many people haven't purchased their CD-Wave license (and one of the reasons I started this thread): misunderstanding of the license requirements. Purchasing a license if using the program beyond the 31-day trial period is not voluntary - it's compulsory to satisfy the terms of the license. The author simply chose not to implement software mechanisms (like crippling the software after 31-days, or providing a limited-functionality demo) to compel people to purchase the license. Nonetheless, users are obligated to purchase the license if they continue to use the software beyond the trial period.
Just for reference, how many people have paid for other software they use (Cubase, Wavelab, Adobe Premiere, or official versions of Microsoft Windows, for that matter)? How many people copy (studio) CDs or DVDs (without buying the originals)?
It is all a slippery slope. I'm not saying where I am on that slope, just making a comment. I do agree that it can't hurt to buy CDwave, though, especially given how much we use it and the reasonable price.
Richard
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Just for reference, how many people have paid for other software they use
Oh, yeah...much bigger can o' worms here than just CD-Wave.
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Best $15 dollars I've ever spent on software, even better knowing it was voluntary after 7 years of 'trial' use.
I think this is part of the reason many people haven't purchased their CD-Wave license (and one of the reasons I started this thread): misunderstanding of the license requirements. Purchasing a license if using the program beyond the 31-day trial period is not voluntary - it's compulsory to satisfy the terms of the license. The author simply chose not to implement software mechanisms (like crippling the software after 31-days, or providing a limited-functionality demo) to compel people to purchase the license. Nonetheless, users are obligated to purchase the license if they continue to use the software beyond the trial period.
Just for reference, how many people have paid for other software they use (Cubase, Wavelab, Adobe Premiere, or official versions of Microsoft Windows, for that matter)? How many people copy (studio) CDs or DVDs (without buying the originals)?
It is all a slippery slope. I'm not saying where I am on that slope, just making a comment. I do agree that it can't hurt to buy CDwave, though, especially given how much we use it and the reasonable price.
Richard
Maybe I'm a nerd but I pay for software. I have a bought and paid for copy of Cubase SE on my MacBook (that doesn't work properly because of the Intel but it's fine for the post work I do) and on my PC at work I have Soundforge, Wavelab, Photoshop and all sorts of other programs that were either paid for by me or the company. I also have access to a ridiculous amount of music courtesy of the Music Library at work. I could bring in a spindle of blanks and have my way with advance copies, back catalogue stuff, old vinyl and no one would ever know. I did it once, felt guilty and bought the album. Fortunately, it was something that I liked. I do sample a lot of CDs there, though. I'll listen to a couple of cuts in the Lib and if they grab me I'll sign the disc out and listen to it at my desk in the morning (CDs can't leave the building). If I like it enough that I still have it a couple of weeks later eight times out of ten I'll buy it.
Karma's a bitch and I'd hate to f with it over a couple of bucks, you know?
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Best $15 dollars I've ever spent on software, even better knowing it was voluntary after 7 years of 'trial' use.
I think this is part of the reason many people haven't purchased their CD-Wave license (and one of the reasons I started this thread): misunderstanding of the license requirements. Purchasing a license if using the program beyond the 31-day trial period is not voluntary - it's compulsory to satisfy the terms of the license. The author simply chose not to implement software mechanisms (like crippling the software after 31-days, or providing a limited-functionality demo) to compel people to purchase the license. Nonetheless, users are obligated to purchase the license if they continue to use the software beyond the trial period.
Just for reference, how many people have paid for other software they use (Cubase, Wavelab, Adobe Premiere, or official versions of Microsoft Windows, for that matter)? How many people copy (studio) CDs or DVDs (without buying the originals)?
It is all a slippery slope. I'm not saying where I am on that slope, just making a comment. I do agree that it can't hurt to buy CDwave, though, especially given how much we use it and the reasonable price.
Richard
Maybe I'm a nerd but I pay for software. I have a bought and paid for copy of Cubase SE on my MacBook (that doesn't work properly because of the Intel but it's fine for the post work I do) and on my PC at work I have Soundforge, Wavelab, Photoshop and all sorts of other programs that were either paid for by me or the company. I also have access to a ridiculous amount of music courtesy of the Music Library at work. I could bring in a spindle of blanks and have my way with advance copies, back catalogue stuff, old vinyl and no one would ever know. I did it once, felt guilty and bought the album. Fortunately, it was something that I liked. I do sample a lot of CDs there, though. I'll listen to a couple of cuts in the Lib and if they grab me I'll sign the disc out and listen to it at my desk in the morning (CDs can't leave the building). If I like it enough that I still have it a couple of weeks later eight times out of ten I'll buy it.
Karma's a bitch and I'd hate to f with it over a couple of bucks, you know?
Yep. I'm just pointing out that Karma involves a lot of things. Where do I draw the line? Well, I try to buy a lot of CDs (at shows, so the band gets more money). Typically one CD a week. I often buy regardless of whether I really want a CD, just to support the band. I'm doing this less and less now. I figure if I give back a good recording I'm helping the band (maybe...), but I still do buy a lot of CDs. I also don't copy independent CDs. If someone (friend or family member, typically) asks for "a copy" I try to buy it for them.
Richard
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I wont lie, for years I never knew a license reg was required, but Im a cheapskate about programs and have never paid a dime for it......
You can buy recording equipment but can't pony up 15 bucks ?! That's f'ing weaksause ...
hey, at least im one of the honest ones in this thread :P I didnt even know it cost ANY $$ until the last few months.....I ALWAYS thought it was 100% free......
And FWIW, Im broker than prolly anyone on this site right now being on/off of work for so long due to personal injuries :(
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While I bought and paid for my cdwav (and other lesser priced programs like burn software and dvdaudiofile) I have to admit I run cracked copies of Soundforge, Samplitude and Wavlab. I just don't have the $$ to throw down over 3 grand on those 3 programs. (which is the street cost of the 3 versions I have) I know it not a good thing to do and I wouldn't recommend it to others but it is what it is. I fess up. :P And I know there is the cheapie versions of all 3 available. Maybe one day I'll switch over.
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I have to admit I run cracked copies of Soundforge, Samplitude and Wavlab. I just don't have the $$ to throw down over 3 grand on those 3 programs.
Thanks for your honesty - well, in the response, anyway. :P I'm curious about why you run cracked versions of 3 different, but similar, editing apps. Are there critical features you need in each of those three that you can't get out of an affordable app, like Samplitude SE ($50)? And are there critical features in each of the three cracked apps that you don't get out of the other two cracked apps? Or does a less expensive app (like Samplitude SE @ $50) provide the critical feature sets you need, and purely personal preference drives using the other cracked versions?
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I paid. I pay for shareware if I use it past the trial period. I was a programmer and know the work required to write, test and debug software. It is damned hard when you get past the "hello world" stage. We don't steal the hardware, so how can we justify stealing the software? Or the music for that matter? YMMV
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I have to admit I run cracked copies of Soundforge, Samplitude and Wavlab. I just don't have the $$ to throw down over 3 grand on those 3 programs.
Thanks for your honesty - well, in the response, anyway. :P I'm curious about why you run cracked versions of 3 different, but similar, editing apps. Are there critical features you need in each of those three that you can't get out of an affordable app, like Samplitude SE ($50)? And are there critical features in each of the three cracked apps that you don't get out of the other two cracked apps? Or does a less expensive app (like Samplitude SE @ $50) provide the critical feature sets you need, and purely personal preference drives using the other cracked versions?
I don't use Soundforge or Samplitude, but I use the "montage" feature in Wavelab. I use it both for combining files (matrix recordings) and for tracking out CDs.
I used Cubase for multitrack recording before I got an R4.
Richard
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Well I can't speak to Samplitude SE. Is it the same as Samplitude Professional 7? I assume not since it's like 900 bucks. :-\ I only use it for mixing my 4 tracks. That's all I use of it. I only use Wavlab for downsampling and dither and I haven't used Soundforge in a few years. Is Samplitude's dithering algorythym pretty good? If so I'd consider an all in one and at 50 bones I can afford it. ;D I never liked Soundforges dithering. Sounds weird to me.
I have to admit I run cracked copies of Soundforge, Samplitude and Wavlab. I just don't have the $$ to throw down over 3 grand on those 3 programs.
Thanks for your honesty - well, in the response, anyway. :P I'm curious about why you run cracked versions of 3 different, but similar, editing apps. Are there critical features you need in each of those three that you can't get out of an affordable app, like Samplitude SE ($50)? And are there critical features in each of the three cracked apps that you don't get out of the other two cracked apps? Or does a less expensive app (like Samplitude SE @ $50) provide the critical feature sets you need, and purely personal preference drives using the other cracked versions?
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Well I can't speak to Samplitude SE. Is it the same as Samplitude Professional 7? I assume not since it's like 900 bucks. :-\ I only use it for mixing my 4 tracks. That's all I use of it. I only use Wavlab for downsampling and dither and I haven't used Soundforge in a few years. Is Samplitude's dithering algorythym pretty good? If so I'd consider an all in one and at 50 bones I can afford it. ;D I never liked Soundforges dithering. Sounds weird to me.
Not sure how SSE v9 compares with Pro 7. I use SSE v8. Here's an overview and comparison of v9 and v9 SE (http://www.samplitude.com/eng/seq/vers_unt.html). My v8 SE allows me to do all the stuff I normally (and sometimes only occasionally) need to do:
- edit virtually, in an object-oriented environment
- handles recordings > 2GB (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,81091.0.html)
- mix 4+ tracks
- amplify | normalize
- compression | limit
- volume envelope
- tracking
- fade-in/out | crossfades
- parametric EQ
- phase inversion
- time stretching
- DirectX | VST plugins as desired
- resample
- dither
FWIW, I think SSE's resample sounds very good, and I like it's dither a lot. I don't like SSE's dither as much as MegaBitMax or Waves IDR, but those plugins would cost me another $250+. And unlike most here, I'm not a huge fan of UV22HR. You can listen to all the dither algos I mention side-by-side in my dither comp, v4 (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,51478.0.html) - I added SSE Feb 2007.
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TM - I use SAM8 SE and I think the dither is good. But I am half-crazed so you may want to check it out before you buy. SAM seems plenty powerful in the US$50 version. There is plenty there for me to learn.
L8R
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The owner of CSI (Computer/Structures Inc, maker of SAP 2000/Etabs) was a guest speaker in my post tension class last quarter. Their programs sell for $100-$10000 depending on the version, country, and language. He says he sees pirated copies for sell in shops in other countries. His feelings, "hey, if they're using my program, they aren't using my competitors'."