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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #315 on: June 17, 2019, 08:16:02 PM »
So I just noticed that when recording to the SD card, my unit will start glitching, jumping and skipping recording when it gets near the end limit of the first recording file and also at the start of the second file. It's like trying to listen to a scratched CD where it jumps and stops playing for a beat.  Any idea if this is a recorder or card issue?  (SanDisk Extreme 16 gig)

Possibly reformat the card to see if that will alleviate the issue?
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #316 on: June 23, 2019, 03:05:21 PM »
So I just noticed that when recording to the SD card, my unit will start glitching, jumping and skipping recording when it gets near the end limit of the first recording file and also at the start of the second file. It's like trying to listen to a scratched CD where it jumps and stops playing for a beat.  Any idea if this is a recorder or card issue?  (SanDisk Extreme 16 gig)
Is the card from a sealed package from a known reputable SanDisk dealer in your country?


Try the internal memory if formatting the card doesn't help. If it glitches on the internal, then it's probably not the SanDisk.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #317 on: June 23, 2019, 06:55:05 PM »
So I just noticed that when recording to the SD card, my unit will start glitching, jumping and skipping recording when it gets near the end limit of the first recording file and also at the start of the second file. It's like trying to listen to a scratched CD where it jumps and stops playing for a beat.  Any idea if this is a recorder or card issue?  (SanDisk Extreme 16 gig)
Is the card from a sealed package from a known reputable SanDisk dealer in your country?


Try the internal memory if formatting the card doesn't help. If it glitches on the internal, then it's probably not the SanDisk.

Not an issue running on internal, only be SD card issue.  Card was bought from Bestbuy and it seems the problem only happens after I put the card in a reader and copy the files to my computer.  Formatted using the recorder and it looks to have fixed the issue.    Ran a test by putting mics in front of my stereo speaker and no problem.  Will still probably use internal memory first just to be safe.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #318 on: June 29, 2019, 12:24:52 AM »
Not an issue running on internal, only be SD card issue.  Card was bought from Bestbuy and it seems the problem only happens after I put the card in a reader and copy the files to my computer.  Formatted using the recorder and it looks to have fixed the issue.    Ran a test by putting mics in front of my stereo speaker and no problem.  Will still probably use internal memory first just to be safe.
OK- if other cards exhibit the same issue, then I would suspect your card reader, or even that your computer OS has a worm or virus and is copying something weird to cards!?
But it could certainly be the card itself, or (less likely based on the latest info) dirty contacts on the internal card socket.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #319 on: July 02, 2019, 01:52:53 AM »
I came across this here and was wondering if it's true that phantom power devices affect the quality/noise you get? : http://thesoundmyheadmakes.blogspot.com/2011/03/quickie-shootout-744t-vs-pcm-d50-with.html

I currently have a Juicedlink to use with my Sony PCM-M10 when I need XLR inputs, but is a Sony XLR1 / Denecke PS-2 actually better?

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #320 on: July 02, 2019, 04:08:19 PM »
I came across this here and was wondering if it's true that phantom power devices affect the quality/noise you get? : http://thesoundmyheadmakes.blogspot.com/2011/03/quickie-shootout-744t-vs-pcm-d50-with.html

I currently have a Juicedlink to use with my Sony PCM-M10 when I need XLR inputs, but is a Sony XLR1 / Denecke PS-2 actually better?
It's certainly possible to get a device which supplies phantom power and also affects the audio. That article from 2011 does seem to imply that build quality seems to affect sound quality. The "eye opening" weblink inside the link you shared here is to a dealer which chose not to carry the ART device because of its poor build quality. I've never heard of the Juicedlink so I can't comment on that.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #321 on: August 24, 2019, 01:07:43 PM »
I had a venue employee either attempt to steal my M10 and AT mic package where I had it setup in an empty balcony for a show.  Or they just picked it up not knowing what it was and put it away in an upper room in the theater.  My friend that works at the theater discovered it almost a week after it went missing.  When I went to pick it up it the control lock was still engaged.  The recorded had filled up the the available memory and stopped recording.  But the device was still powered on after a week.  Now that is a hell of a battery life.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #322 on: August 25, 2019, 07:20:40 PM »
...But the device was still powered on after a week.  Now that is a hell of a battery life.
I don't shut mine off except when changing batteries . They go to sleep about 20 min after activity stops. I got into the habit of leaving them on, after hearing that they'd lose their clock setting if they weren't powered up at ALL for months on end. (see the first couple threads!?!)
The batteries hardly drain when they're powered "on" but not doing anything. Months.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #323 on: August 25, 2019, 07:50:12 PM »
...But the device was still powered on after a week.  Now that is a hell of a battery life.
I don't shut mine off except when changing batteries . They go to sleep about 20 min after activity stops. I got into the habit of leaving them on, after hearing that they'd lose their clock setting if they weren't powered up at ALL for months on end. (see the first couple threads!?!)
The batteries hardly drain when they're powered "on" but not doing anything. Months.

I did not know that! I sold my Sony PCM-M10's because of the internal clock not keeping "time", as I thought it was messing up. I only tape 3 or 4 times a year, so it'll sit without batteries for months between uses. Makes perfect sense. So I sold my precious M10's prematurely!  DOAH!!

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #324 on: August 25, 2019, 09:44:27 PM »
...But the device was still powered on after a week.  Now that is a hell of a battery life.
I don't shut mine off except when changing batteries . They go to sleep about 20 min after activity stops. I got into the habit of leaving them on, after hearing that they'd lose their clock setting if they weren't powered up at ALL for months on end. (see the first couple threads!?!)
The batteries hardly drain when they're powered "on" but not doing anything. Months.

I did not know that! I sold my Sony PCM-M10's because of the internal clock not keeping "time", as I thought it was messing up. I only tape 3 or 4 times a year, so it'll sit without batteries for months between uses. Makes perfect sense. So I sold my precious M10's prematurely!  DOAH!!

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But you can still record regardless of it asking for setting the clock,just hit record and add the date in post.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #325 on: September 04, 2021, 07:39:20 PM »
The channels on my M10 are no longer recording at the same level. The right channel of the mic input is about 12dB lower than the left. The line input is only about 1dB off. This is a recent development--and has gotten worse over the last couple of recordings. No drops or other obvious sources of damage. My searches of the archives didn't pull up any relevant posts. (I probably didn't search well enough.)

It's well out of warranty, so I assume sending it to Sony (or other tech) for repair would be cost prohibitive. Anything I can do myself to fix?
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 8)
« Reply #326 on: September 04, 2021, 07:47:23 PM »
Call Sony service, and just check to see if they think it's still under warranty?
Otherwise find out their shop rates for such repairs, as you might find them favorable to some third party shops.
https://pro.sony/ue_US/support-services/services-support#MEAE800131ServiceCenterRepairProcedures-services-support


sounds like it might be a leaky capacitor? Or perhaps clean it with spray cleaner and see if it's just lint?

 

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