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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: Chomps on February 13, 2008, 02:54:51 PM
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What is the best mount to use?
http://www.zzounds.com/item--JOEJM27SM
Will these do the trick ;D
Keith
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http://www.fullcompass.com/product/304673.html
how about these?
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http://www.fullcompass.com/product/304673.html
how about these?
I've been using the Shures for a while now, and I really like them. They're much more compact (and thus easier to pack) than spider-type isolation systems and have been just as effective in my experience.
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http://www.fullcompass.com/product/304673.html
how about these?
I've been using the Shures for a while now, and I really like them. They're much more compact (and thus easier to pack) than spider-type isolation systems and have been just as effective in my experience.
Thanks for the input. I really like how low pro they are.
Keith
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Shure donuts look nice...but I can tell you that without a doubt the meeks that you linked work also. I used them without incident. I still have the Meeks and use a single Meek as the mount for my Neumann active setup and I really like it's isolating abilities. The bands are a bit springy so that I knwo there won't be any sound transmission through the mount.
One semi neg comment about the Meeks is that with the springy bands, if you have cables that aren't very pliable, they can tug a bit on the back of the 480s, which of course are rather long mic bodies so they jut out the back of the mount a ways. If your cables aren't hanging very freely, they can tug at the back of the mic bodies and cause some sagging, since the mount isn't a real tight banded mount.
If I were to do it all over again, I'd probably go with the donuts as long as people could assure me that there is good sound isolution from bumps through the rubber donut in the mount. I know that there are lots of satisfied users with these.
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I have both mounts. The Meeks, the donuts and some Avatones. I use the Avatone for my 480's. I just think they're best suited for the 480's. The Meeks are nice for the price I just don't trust them. The donuts feel like the 480's are a tad too heavy so I only use them with my Kwon bars now. The Avatone's are heavier but provide great isolation as well as not dipping or moving with the weight of the full bodies and attached cables.
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The best will definitely be the new Rycote INV-7 (http://www.rycote.com/products/invision/) from their new "InVision" studio range.
Will take any SDC from 19mm to 25mm in diameter.
(http://www.rycote.com/products/invision/images/INV-7dimensions.jpg)
Not only are they virtually unbreakable - they are technically better than most manufacturer mounts - and at a price you will be surprised at (ie: very low). ;D
In the shops soon - I am definitely going to change all my SDC shockmounts for this new range. ;D
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http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,92610.0.html
Just bumped it.
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Hey Keith,
You probably know this, but both Kris and I use the AT8410's. Yes, they are ancient and huge, but they work, and I think there is a pair in the yard for $40.00
Dave
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I use the Joe Meeks for my C-480's. I like them.
I've heard (from Bean?) that the Shure donut is pretty tight when used with the C-480's.
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I've actually used the new Rycote, and they are very good and light weight. Made out of high quality plastic, unbreakable, very fast to mount/dismount the mike. Good isolation as well.
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I've actually used the new Rycote, and they are very good and light weight. Made out of high quality plastic, unbreakable, very fast to mount/dismount the mike. Good isolation as well.
What is the cost on those?
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I've heard (from Bean?) that the Shure donut is pretty tight when used with the C-480's.
A53M are tight with C480 bodies, but totally doable....I dumped the AT8410s for them when I ran the C480s, those ATs are clumsy and take up too much space in a bag. A53Ms are my favorite shock mount, really lo-profile and you can bang 'em around all day long with absolutely no ill effects. Sold my A20s since I know they can let you down if left unsecure in a bag (the mic sled elastic hangers are the achilles heel of that mount, they sell replacements tho).
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I don't know how much $, and it says on their website out March 2008.
http://www.rycote.com/products/invision/
The one I have came with this Rycote S-series.
http://www.rycote.com/products/s_series/
Same shock mount.
Looks like shit.... works great.
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from my post in the thread louie posted
many of us use the superlux hm32. they aren't built like a tank but I'm still on my first pair ;)
(http://www.avlex.com/images/07.19.04_avlex/HM32.JPG)
http://www.superlux.us/smalldiaphragm.html
damn looks like they are about $17 each now! I think they were like $8-10 each when I got them. looks like the hm 30 is $9. never used them though.
they do the job, are cheap, and are pretty damn lowpro for 480's.
here's some pics I took a while back when I first got them
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5d805b3127cce923422e7485000000016108AYuXLJu2ZNT)
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5d805b3127cce923422e0c96700000016108AYuXLJu2ZNT)
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5d805b3127cce923422e2c96500000016108AYuXLJu2ZNT)
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5d805b3127cce923422db486c00000016108AYuXLJu2ZNT)
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I've actually used the new Rycote, and they are very good and light weight. Made out of high quality plastic, unbreakable, very fast to mount/dismount the mike. Good isolation as well.
What is the cost on those?
I think about £30-40 - I will try and find out from Rycote.
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Get some good old fashioned AT 8410s and rock it like it's 1997 ;)
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JM26Sm For Joe Meek $19 each and small and reall good!
(http://www.motb.org/rig1.jpg)
A :)
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I have just found out the price of the new Rycote mounts.
In the UK they will retail for £30 +VAT
In the USA the likely price will be $79.
All the In-Vision mounts (INV-1 to INV-8 inclusive) will be the same price.
Also - for info. This was posted on a UK Forum by a Beta Tester of the mounts:-
I've also been beta testing these Rycote In-Vision mounts (and I'm very pleased to say that one of my suggestions has been implemented in the production version).
The design is as stunningly ingenious as it is innovative and unique -- and it can be scaled very easily to match a wide variety of mic sizes and weights. The basic design has already been proven in the S-series shockmount and windshield system for location sound applications.
More to the point - I've seen the vibration measurement plots, and these mounts provide very good attenuation/isolation down to around 30Hz in most cases, which is significantly better than a lot of manufacturer's mounts.
The mount also includes an extremely effective cable clamp that ensures the performance is maintained regardless of cable type in use.
In the few cases where the In-Vision design fails to exceed the performance of the manufacturers' own mounts, they still have a significant advantage in that they cost a fraction of the price! The way they are made is very simple, which keeps the cost very low indeed, and the material used is virtually indestructible too. No rubber bands or elastic cords to replace. No adjustments necessary.
The first release of the range is intended for miniature and compact mics, plus most capacitor pencil mics. There are eight models and you can see the specs here (http://www.rycote.com/products/invision/).
There are three for miniature mics, three for compact mics, and two for longer, larger pencil mics. The design is optimised for end-fire mics, and as a result the performance is not quite as good for side-address figure-eight mics -- although it is still better than every other commercial mount out there. I believe there is also a design on the drawing board for a version optimised for fig-8s, but the potential sales would be so small that it is not high on the production priority list at the moment.
Later this year there will be a larger design using the same principle but in very different way to support side address large diaphragm mics. That will be exciting...
I really do believe these Rycote studio shockmounts are going to become standard equipment for everyone within a few years. They are that effective and cost-effective. Like John, my order for enough to service all my small diaphragm mics is already lodged with Rycote!
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Yep, that's a good report. The design is so simple..... one piece of molded high quality plastic... You can bend it anyway you want and it returns to it's shape. Says for 19-25mm mic body diameter, and will hold Senn MKH 30,40,50,60, even though they are flat on the side.
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JM26Sm For Joe Meek $19 each and small and reall good!
(http://www.motb.org/rig1.jpg)
A :)
Are these the same as the mounts that come with Studio Projects C4's? I haven't seen the joe meeks in person but from this photo they look identical...
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I use the $8.00 Shockproofs. Dirt cheap and they do a fantastic job! I've never had any noise from stand kicks/grabbing or what ever. Heck, a friend one time physically moved our stand because of unruly crowd in our seat area. You can't tell we moved except for a slight change in the stereo field. That's it. I run Naks now, but I owned 480s and ran them with the shockproofs. I've been so happy with this setup, I don't even think about the subject anymore..... until I saw this thread.
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I also use the the Superlux for my 480s. Not built like a tank but pretty damn sturdy. The only thing I wish they would upgrade is that the threads are plastic. That being said I'm still running my first pair after a year and a half with no problems. Also, the bands can be bought at home depot for a few cents each.
Stay Kind,
Dana
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I also use the the Superlux for my 480s. Not built like a tank but pretty damn sturdy. The only thing I wish they would upgrade is that the threads are plastic. That being said I'm still running my first pair after a year and a half with no problems. Also, the bands can be bought at home depot for a few cents each.
Stay Kind,
Dana
I use the $8.00 Shockproofs. Dirt cheap and they do a fantastic job! I've never had any noise from stand kicks/grabbing or what ever. Heck, a friend one time physically moved our stand because of unruly crowd in our seat area. You can't tell we moved except for a slight change in the stereo field. That's it. I run Naks now, but I owned 480s and ran them with the shockproofs. I've been so happy with this setup, I don't even think about the subject anymore..... until I saw this thread.
Thanks guys, good info. But back to my original question, are the Joe Meeks the same as the SP-C4 mounts? I ask because I have a set of C4's with the mounts, which look to be identical to these, and I'm wondering if they'll work with some 480's.
That said, could you post a link to the mounts you've mentioned here? Are the Superlux & Shockproofs the same mount?
Thanks!
PS - This is my 50th Post! DING DING! Now I have a lot of tickets to give out, quite a few of you have helped me immensely in getting started the past few months.
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The Shockproof clip is halfway down the page. The one pictured is actually the tapered version for dynamic mics. Windtech make the Shockproofs
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,92610.0.html
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i use the superlux hm32 also with the 460's. got them dirt cheap a few years ago. they're plastic but small and light. i switched to them from the at8410s which are beasts compared to the hm32's.
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> But back to my original question, are the Joe Meeks the same as the SP-C4 mounts? I ask >because I have a set of C4's with the mounts, which look to be identical to these, and I'm >wondering if they'll work with some 480's.
Yes, they are virtually identical. I use the C4 mounts for 480s and they work just fine.
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I have been using the AT8415 shocks since early 2003 but I upgraded the stock rubber mounts w/ the K-Tek K-SUS Heavy Duty Rubber Mounts back in 2003-2004 and I LOVE THEM. They are VERY STURDY and IMO are the BEST shock without spending a LOT of money on a rycote system. Well, maybe not so much now that those Rycote In-Vision's are around. But for $65.00/shockmount w/ the upgraded mounts, they just cant be beat IMO. And alot of folks dont realize that they are actually more lo-pro than the AT 8410 that most tapers use. I dont understand why more tapers dont use the AT8415+K-Tek K-SUS w/ theyre extreme ruggedness and IMO low cost.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/68143-REG/Audio_Technica_AT8415_AT8415_Universal_Shock_Mount.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/292948-REG/K_Tek_K_SUS_K_SUS_Microphone_Suspenders_Pair_.html
Hmmm, B+H usually sells the two as a combo for $65.00/shock, but since the K-Tek K-SUS HD mounts are out of stock, they must not offer the two as a combo at the moment. IMO VERY rugged and a VERY RELIABLE shockmount system for full-bodied mics :)
I think I'm selling mine, along w/ my Shure Vert Bar, since I dont have full-bodied mics anymore and dont plan on running full-bodied mics anytime soon. I have just been very hesitant selling them as the MBHO bodies are also 21mm(just like my old 480's) and I have kept them around in case I ever needed to run the MBHO's w/ the full bodies for MS/ORTF/AB/XY/etc. But since I just scored (2) Rode NT6 2-axis swivel mounts for my MBHO Actives, all I need is a Vark Bar, and I will NEVER need to run the full bodies on the stand again :)
So if anyone browsing this thread wants a KICKASS and SUPERIOR shockmount system for a pair of 20 or 21mm full-bodied mics, I think I'm finally ready to sell my AT8415+Upgraded K-Tek K-SUS Heavy Duty Rubber Mounts, along w/ my Shure Vert Bar. I would let them BOTH go together for $150 TOTAL for both the AT8415's and the vert bar. Thats only $100.00 for the AT 8415's w/ the K-Tek K-SUS HD Mounts and only $50.00 for the Shure Vert Bar FWIW!
I need to fund my new Vark Bar setup so I am negotiable on that price and need to sell rather soon! So PM me if youre interested!
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The Shockproof clip is halfway down the page. The one pictured is actually the tapered version for dynamic mics. Windtech make the Shockproofs
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,92610.0.html
So is the version you use actually the SP-20, shown here (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SP20/)? Does this mount mark up the mic at all when sliding in and out?
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The Shockproof clip is halfway down the page. The one pictured is actually the tapered version for dynamic mics. Windtech make the Shockproofs
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,92610.0.html
So is the version you use actually the SP-20, shown here (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SP20/)? Does this mount mark up the mic at all when sliding in and out?
thats exactly what i used with 39x and 480
no probs
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I have both mounts. The Meeks, the donuts and some Avatones. I use the Avatone for my 480's. I just think they're best suited for the 480's. The Meeks are nice for the price I just don't trust them. The donuts feel like the 480's are a tad too heavy so I only use them with my Kwon bars now. The Avatone's are heavier but provide great isolation as well as not dipping or moving with the weight of the full bodies and attached cables.
QFT
FYI The shure donuts work great running vertical with swivels.
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thats exactly what i used with 39x and 480
no probs
Did they leave marks on the bodies?
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OK I picked up these (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SP20/) for my 480's. They look great but are REALLY tight. Is there a trick to getting the mic into these things? Its seems to take a LOT of force to get in, I dont wanna mess anything up.
The specs say its for mics 20mm in diameter, the 480's are 21mm. Is this the size you shockproof folks are using? Maybe they just need to be "broken in"?
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thats exactly what i used with 39x and 480
no probs
Did they leave marks on the bodies?
no
i could see where they might, but i am kinda anal so i always push open the slot some to make it rub less
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OK I picked up these (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SP20/) for my 480's. They look great but are REALLY tight. Is there a trick to getting the mic into these things? Its seems to take a LOT of force to get in, I dont wanna mess anything up.
The specs say its for mics 20mm in diameter, the 480's are 21mm. Is this the size you shockproof folks are using? Maybe they just need to be "broken in"?
i use those and its tight but what i do is spread the gap on the top apart with my fingers and put the end in, once you have the end in then its really easy to spread it apart enough to slide it in with less force
on a sidenote i don't think you have to worry about messing the mic up
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i am kinda anal so i always push open the slot some to make it rub less
:yack: :yack: :yack: :yack:
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I have a pair of those shocks. They are tight, but you can make them work.
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Those are pretty small. Depending on your storage space. Just store the mics in the shocks.
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i am kinda anal so i always push open the slot some to make it rub less
:yack: :yack: :yack: :yack:
lmao
wow reading that now i really should go back and read what i type before i hit the post button
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Do those wind tecs work get in all situations (ex. heavy wind, or bumps to stands)? I was under the impression that the didn't provide the same quality of vibration reduction as a free floating system (like the bigger, bulkier rubber band suspension mounts).
Just curious what people's experience has been and if there's a way to compare.
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If you want high quality shockmounts at a low price, the Rycote InVision series are definitely the best. To be honest, the technology is so good it out-performs any shockmount whatever the price - that's why I am changing all my shockmounts over to this series.
They are also working on shockmounts for LDCs and I will get one for my Neumann as soon as it is available.
I know the designer, and have discussed the technology with him in detail - this is what I am buying.
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i use the superlux hm32 also with the 460's. got them dirt cheap a few years ago. they're plastic but small and light. i switched to them from the at8410s which are beasts compared to the hm32's.
bummer....had one of my superlux hm32's finally break down after about 3yrs. i tightened the knob dealie a bit to much and tried to change the angle of the mic in the shock without loosening the nut and part of the housing cracked. my bonehead mistake entirely.
i am going to try to repair it with epoxy first, but if that fails i think i will just get another one (or pair) since they are so inexpensive.
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If you want high quality shockmounts at a low price, the Rycote InVision series are definitely the best. To be honest, the technology is so good it out-performs any shockmount whatever the price - that's why I am changing all my shockmounts over to this series.
They are also working on shockmounts for LDCs and I will get one for my Neumann as soon as it is available.
I know the designer, and have discussed the technology with him in detail - this is what I am buying.
I saw the InVisions shocks in use on teh NBA Fionals ;D I spotted it IMMEDIATELY and my buddy was like "Damn dude, youre such a dork" ;D