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noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« on: October 21, 2009, 07:40:39 PM »
anyone have this link saved? I remember it did a great job of explaining DIN, NOS, X-Y, etc...could use a peek at it right now :-[
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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2009, 09:16:04 PM »
The rule of thumb is that ORTF is most popular outdoor where there's not as much reverberant sounds, where DIN and DIN(a) are used indoors.  DIN and DIN(a) have the 90 degree angle, which vs 120 would tend to minimize the amount of sound that's coming from bounced sources instead of directly from the stage.  ORTF is also popular when you know that the venue has great sound...and you'd like to simulate the overall sound in the venue as closely as possible. ORTF is also popular for lip of stage or close soundfield recording.
 
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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2009, 09:34:35 PM »
The rule of thumb is that ORTF is most popular outdoor where there's not as much reverberant sounds, where DIN and DIN(a) are used indoors.  DIN and DIN(a) have the 90 degree angle, which vs 120 would tend to minimize the amount of sound that's coming from bounced sources instead of directly from the stage.  ORTF is also popular when you know that the venue has great sound...and you'd like to simulate the overall sound in the venue as closely as possible. ORTF is also popular for lip of stage or close soundfield recording.
 
where did they come from:
ORTF (French) - Office de Radiodiffusion Television Française.
NOS (Dutch) - Nederlandsche Omroep Stichting.
DIN (German) - Deutsches Institut fur Normung

Info from email sent to me from Louie aka NOLAfishwater thanks Louie!!
thanks! +t

I also thought there used to be a site with actual diagrams of angles and such for the various patterns?
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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2009, 09:53:27 PM »
start here:
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/Microphone-University.aspx

or here:
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/index.html

EDIT:
here's another site that shows you how angle and spacing effect the response of your mics
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Visualization-NOS.htm
« Last Edit: October 21, 2009, 09:56:27 PM by darby »

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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2009, 10:15:25 PM »
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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 08:22:55 PM »
Did you see the first mic thread: README1st! Stereophonic Zoom, Mic configs for dummies & LD mics, + more ? 

The first link has diagrams too.

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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 12:39:38 PM »
FWIW, I'm finding that the more I use the SZ technique rather than the 'rule of thumb' that was suggested ealier in this thread, the better my recordings seem to be sounding.

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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2009, 05:34:23 PM »
this may be what you were talking about.
http://www.microphone-data.com/pdfs/Stereo%20zoom.pdf

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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2009, 07:21:53 PM »
There is a sticky at the top of the Microphones and Setup which we are in right now, page that shows mic configurations and more.
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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2009, 05:20:48 PM »
http://homerecording.about.com/od/microphones101/ss/stereo_mics.htm


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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2009, 08:26:54 PM »
http://homerecording.about.com/od/microphones101/ss/stereo_mics.htm

If the pics that accompany the above are correct, then I've been been setting up listing my configs all wrong. In X-Y those mics are more like 105/110 than 90 as well as the caps not being conincident and in ORTF there is no f'in way those caps are 17cm apart.
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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2009, 11:34:14 AM »
My general techniques that I apply in the field:

1)  If DFC, run DIN.
2)  If off-center, run XY.
3)  If way left or right, aim directly at the stack in front of you.

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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2009, 01:56:45 PM »
lol.  All of those are wrong.  Who in their right mind would put that up on a site?

EDIT:  It appears to be a member here.  Joe Shambro.

http://homerecording.about.com/od/microphones101/ss/stereo_mics.htm

If the pics that accompany the above are correct, then I've been been setting up listing my configs all wrong. In X-Y those mics are more like 105/110 than 90 as well as the caps not being conincident and in ORTF there is no f'in way those caps are 17cm apart.

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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2009, 03:18:00 AM »
lol.  All of those are wrong.  Who in their right mind would put that up on a site?

EDIT:  It appears to be a member here.  Joe Shambro.

http://homerecording.about.com/od/microphones101/ss/stereo_mics.htm

If the pics that accompany the above are correct, then I've been been setting up listing my configs all wrong. In X-Y those mics are more like 105/110 than 90 as well as the caps not being conincident and in ORTF there is no f'in way those caps are 17cm apart.

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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2009, 07:15:55 AM »
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/Microphone-University.aspx


or these...

A-B stereo
Blumlein / XY with side address mics
Binaural
NOS
ORTF...
you dont need pics for DIN.   just think 90deg and dollar bill apart.


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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2009, 05:45:18 PM »
There's a lot more FAIL going on in that picture (and whole article) than just the angle.  Apparently the author says they put the wrong photos with the text:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=104358.msg1392847#msg1392847


lol.  All of those are wrong.  Who in their right mind would put that up on a site?

EDIT:  It appears to be a member here.  Joe Shambro.

http://homerecording.about.com/od/microphones101/ss/stereo_mics.htm

If the pics that accompany the above are correct, then I've been been setting up listing my configs all wrong. In X-Y those mics are more like 105/110 than 90 as well as the caps not being conincident and in ORTF there is no f'in way those caps are 17cm apart.



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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2009, 07:18:45 PM »
There's a lot more FAIL going on in that picture (and whole article) than just the angle.  Apparently the author says they put the wrong photos with the text:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=104358.msg1392847#msg1392847

« Last Edit: December 21, 2009, 09:07:34 PM by travelinbeat »
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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2009, 07:37:48 PM »
When fob, in the sweet spot, I think NOS is highly underrated.
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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2009, 12:05:49 AM »
As a follow-up to this post, I just bought one of BJ's KM140 bar sets - I'm familiar with when to use ORTF but am not very familiar with DIN vs DINa vs NOS, so some more clarification on when folks use which would be appreciated.  For instance, when you find yourself at the sbd of a theatre or a venue like the Fillmore in SF that is too far back on the floor for ORTF, which of these would you then use and how do you choose between them? 
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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2009, 07:01:42 AM »
and I like XY when up front.
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Re: noob guide to open taping mount patterns?
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2010, 07:04:55 AM »
When fob, in the sweet spot, I think NOS is highly underrated.

Agreed. I also use Hypers w/ NOS, and THAT is an underrated config right there. If I'm close enough DFC/FOB I runb NOS w/ my hypers w/ GREAT RESULTS IMO!
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