Topic: what pattern do you perfer when stealthing?

[deadheadcorey]

Wanna get some church audio mics, but would like to hear opinions from other people about the best pattern to use when stealthing.  Shows I'm gonna tape are inside and are loud rock bands.

[ashevillain]

Pattern? If I am low profile I worry about getting a clear shot at the music. Binaural-ish, about head width.

I think he is asking what polar pattern (omni, cardioid, etc.) to use, not what mic config (ORTF, DIN, etc.) to use.

[su6oxone]

I haven't stealthed in a long time, but I typically used cardioids at 90 degrees about 10cm apart.  Got some great tapes with that configuration.

[darktrain]

Cards are definately the more verasatile and forgiving when stealthing, i gave up on the omnis long ago, seems they had there place but just found far more consistant and better recordings using the cards.

[kinglerxst]

I agree with the cards being the most versatile, I've used them 99.999% of the time in many locations from front row, stack taping and dfc fob and in many circumstances they have saved recordings from obtrusive crowds where omni's would have been bad news.

I've also been using the sub-card pattern and I really love the sound of them. You still get the benefits of the cards with a little of the benefits of the omni's, but without the drawbacks that full omni's can bring down upon you.......

[absnj]

To be more specific, I have used Chris's CA-11 and CA-14 cards with great success.  The CA-14's are larger, due to an integrated windscreen and definitely require a battery box or preamp, but I like them better.  I often tape in the old refurbished movie theaters with concrete walls, and sitting amongst chatty fans.  I find the omni's pick up more boominess from the room and more talk.

[Popmarter]

AT831 cardiods, work excellent when you keep them steady and just above crowd. Work great from balcony's.

[darktrain]

AT831 cardiods, work excellent when you keep them steady and just above crowd. Work great from balcony's.

They are ok for a starter set but realy there are lots that are better: CA-11, CA-14, AT853's. AT933/934's, MM-HLSC-1's, and they really don't cost that much more at all

[ploffer]

Yes. CA-11 is the way to go...
It's only because I  like to solder and experiment myself... Otherwise I would have bought  CA-11's  and achieved the same results since I used the same capsules.

Clipped on the collar (I use windtech clips), in a (about) 90 degree pattern:   http://tinyurl.com/5spfgwj

It even works well if you put them UNDER the collar of a jacket using the fabric as a kind of windshield.

[darktrain]

Yes. CA-11 is the way to go...
It's only because I  like to solder and experiment myself... Otherwise I would have bought  CA-11's  and achieved the same results since I used the same capsules.

Clipped on the collar (I use windtech clips), in a (about) 90 degree pattern:   http://tinyurl.com/5spfgwj

It even works well if you put them UNDER the collar of a jacket using the fabric as a kind of windshield.

Think higher whenever body mounting mics, the higher the better, i used to collar mount mics but those recordings don't even come close to once i got them higher

[ploffer]

Think higher whenever body mounting mics, the higher the better, i used to collar mount mics but those recordings don't even come close to once i got them higher

Yep, I've got the same experience. But I don't like to wear a cap and have to keep my head still all the time, so I always look for a seat in the back of the venue

[mfrench]

I'll show you my stealth spot,...

[mfrench]

try this:
Get out there, try it. If it works, don't talk about it publicly.

Now back to the stealth spot,....

[Belexes]

Mounting mics on your head works fine when not moving your head. I have heard too many recordings with cards, close to the sound source, going out of phase from head movement. Completely wrecks what could have been a good recording.

[ryang]

Personally I love omni's for loud rock shows, as long as you can get up close to the speakers.