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Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« on: April 11, 2014, 04:41:01 PM »
I need a pair of Rycotes.  I run full-size CMC 5 right now.  I'll need to have enough space to use big ass Shures when I tape outside.  Can anyone guide me on which to get?

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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2014, 12:04:10 AM »
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Agreed.   The others work well in the studio and are great mounts, but that is a more secure mount for taping out.
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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2014, 09:04:03 AM »
I think you would be ok with the INV-6. I use them with cmc6's and they work well. The mkIII I recently picked up as well and intend to use it when I need to hold a bar or something more unwieldy.

H2O and pohaku, have you seen or experienced issues with the inv-6's that lead you to stay away for field use?
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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2014, 12:34:15 PM »
I own both of them.  It may be just my level of paranoia with pricey gear, but after having the wookies use my stand to maintain their balance, I prefer to have my mics clamped in.  When someone grabs your stand and shakes it, the mount whips around if you have any height on it.  I haven't yet lost a mic, but I prefer not to chance it.  That's not a problem in controlled recording environments.  And as you note, the MkIII can do double duty with bars and I use it for that as well.
Mics: akg c460 (ck61, ck63), c414buls, c568eb; at4049a, 4051a, 4053a, at853; josephson c42; neumann U87, km84i; beyer m130, m160, m500; aea r84; gefell m71, mt711s, m200, m201, um70S; sony c38; schoeps cmc6, CMBI (mk4, mk21, mk41, mk4v); sennheiser mkh30, mkh40, md421, md431, md541; audix m1290
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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2014, 12:56:41 PM »
Rycote INV's are the best shock mounts available at any price period, others really do not even come close for isolation or durability.  If you use a shock with no give/play for your specific mic weight load you are not getting enough isolation.  The wooks are not going to damage your mics with Rycote shocks, this video link gives a excellent demonstration of the Rycote INV's durability...
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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2014, 02:38:05 PM »
Oh, I'm not contesting the quality of Rycote mounts. I fully agree that they are the best out there and I own a bunch of them.  Indestructible as near as I can tell.  I like the INV HG-mkIII because I often use a Manfrotto Nano stand for taping at indoor shows - it is well made, light, very portable and has a small footprint.  At full extension, with a full size mic, it can be a bit whippy if it is shaken hard.  It's a trade off.  Would I prefer to use my heavier stands?  Of course.  Would I be as concerned if I had a more secure location to record (like from the SB) - probably not.  But it doesn't always happen.  From the perspective of which mounts would I buy if I was only going to get one pair for full size SD mics like Schoeps, AKG or Sennheiser, I would prefer to get the mkIII mount because it is more secure and is sort of the lowest common denominator mount from a mic security perspective.  As it is, I have the other ones as well, so I can pick and choose which mounts to use to fit the circumstances.  A luxury.  The mkIII mount is a bit heavier than the INV-6 if that makes any difference to anyone.  Choosing between these mounts certainly isn't a cost issue either as all of the mounts we are discussing are priced the same (at least at B&H).
Mics: akg c460 (ck61, ck63), c414buls, c568eb; at4049a, 4051a, 4053a, at853; josephson c42; neumann U87, km84i; beyer m130, m160, m500; aea r84; gefell m71, mt711s, m200, m201, um70S; sony c38; schoeps cmc6, CMBI (mk4, mk21, mk41, mk4v); sennheiser mkh30, mkh40, md421, md431, md541; audix m1290
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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2014, 08:45:51 AM »
I agree with the above - The INV-6 is a bit short for a full length SDC - I prefer the INV-7.  Also, the INV-7 is adjustable in length going as short as the INV-6 and with an intermediate length as well.

The HG Mk.III is designed for heavier mics and MS rigs and the suspension is a bit stiffer.


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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2014, 11:35:23 AM »
Thanks for all the helpful comments (and the video link Sharon!).  I decided to go with the INV6.  The CMC bodies are quite short compared to AKGs, for example, so I think it will serve my purpose well.

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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2014, 07:15:17 AM »
Thanks for all the helpful comments (and the video link Sharon!).  I decided to go with the INV6.  The CMC bodies are quite short compared to AKGs, for example, so I think it will serve my purpose well.

As long as you don't ever want to put a longer mic. in it.

Personally, I found the INV-7 much better, especially as it's adjustable.

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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2014, 10:47:27 AM »
I was surprised how small the INV-6's were when I got my first pair in my hands. For ME they are a perfect fit for the CMC6's. Good compromise between size and fit, easily fitting in the space i had in my bag as well.

Recently I used these with my AKG 460s and I agree they are a bit on the small side for comfort. They work ok and I was in a relatively stable location but I agree that for that size the INV-7's are probably recommended. In a stable situation the INV-6's can hold the 460s satisfactorily, especially when you take advantage of the cable management clip.

I recently bought an INV-7 and an INV-MKIII. These things rock.
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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2014, 12:27:09 PM »
I have AKG 460s and Sennheiser MKH40s (as well as other SD mics), so I use the INV-7s for them if I am not using the MK-IIIs.  I run my Schoeps active - so no bodies.
Mics: akg c460 (ck61, ck63), c414buls, c568eb; at4049a, 4051a, 4053a, at853; josephson c42; neumann U87, km84i; beyer m130, m160, m500; aea r84; gefell m71, mt711s, m200, m201, um70S; sony c38; schoeps cmc6, CMBI (mk4, mk21, mk41, mk4v); sennheiser mkh30, mkh40, md421, md431, md541; audix m1290
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Cables: KCY, CMR, Naiant AKG actives, PFAs, asst.  GAKables and Darktrain
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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2014, 04:33:20 PM »
What model is best to use with a Schoeps/Kwon/NOLA bar?
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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2014, 04:50:22 PM »
What model is best to use with a Schoeps/Kwon/NOLA bar?

Probably the MKIII, but the INV-6 works fine as well (I sense a repeating theme).

I'll throw my ring in the hat here and say that although I don't have an MKIII, I have the INV-4s, 5s, and 6s and their grip on the microphone is rock solid. There's absolutely no reason to think that something 'more' secure is required. If I had to buy new, I might get the MKIII based on the advice in this thread, but INV-6s are still a very good option.

I've also used the INV-6 with the longer AKG 480s and MBHO 603s microphone bodies and they work just fine. The INV-7 might be a better solution, but isn't strictly required.

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Re: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2014, 05:32:35 PM »
^^^Thanks, hi and lo. I'm not sure which model I have, it came with other gear, but I like it a lot. I'll probably be selling my Schoeps shocks for a few new Rycotes. They are top-notch.
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