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Part TWO is here:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105893.0.html
Last post:
OK. Will do this via Audacity then.
Is there some way to completely shut off the display when recording? When I set the Display Timer to 2 seconds and power-save, it never went off while recording. Am I doing something wrong or is this a defective unit?
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Dave570,
Stay away from the AGC or Limiter features for live music recording. ;)
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ANOTHER consideration is recording sample rate. While 48K/96K sample rate is standard for video projects, and gains 2K-4K Hz higher frequency bandwidth over 44.1K/88.2K rates, the latter rate is most compatible with CD type end use.
Recording at video audio rates, and then converting to CD compatible rates produces an inferior end result. This is because of the 'non-integer' conversion process all editing programs must perform.
While converting from 88.2K to CD 44.1K is exactly a divide by full integer number 2 giving most correct audio signal timing conversion of audio levels, the 48K or 96K conversion to uneven division 44.1K process is not so graceful and must 'assume' an audio level between samples (often just an approximation) that makes such conversion far less accurate.
So if your main interest is highest quality master recording that's intended for CD archival/distribution purposes, use native 24bit/44.1K or 88.2K sample rate for maintaining maximum conversion accuracy/audio quality.
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Recording at video audio rates, and then converting to CD compatible rates produces an inferior end result. This is because of the 'non-integer' conversion process all editing programs must perform.
While converting from 88.2K to CD 44.1K is exactly a divide by full integer number 2 giving most correct audio signal timing conversion of audio levels, the 48K or 96K conversion to uneven division 44.1K process is not so graceful and must 'assume' an audio level between samples (often just an approximation) that makes such conversion far less accurate.
So if your main interest is highest quality master recording that's intended for CD archival/distribution purposes, use native 24bit/44.1K or 88.2K sample rate for maintaining maximum conversion accuracy/audio quality.
I have seen this plausible claim made many times.
What I have never seen is any claim that in a real A/B/X test anyone was actually able to reliably hear the difference. Do you know of such an experiment?
By the way, while the response to last year's Audio Engineering Society Journal report on high definition (24/96) PLAYBACK versus redbook (no detectable difference in hundreds of trials) has been heated, the AES finds none of it publishable because totally subjective and not reproducible. They've opened a blog page for people to vent until someone comes up with a scientific rebutal. This playback imposed a 16/44.1 filter on DVD-A output, so it would seem to be evidence that your claim is wrong.
Jeff
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Took me a while to read through all the posts in the previous threads :) My equipment is Edirol R-09 HR, SP-CMC-8 (omnis and cardioids) and a SP battery box (with a bass roll off) is in post (hopefully it reaches me before I leave for the gigs). Unfortunately I won't have almost any time for testing so my first recording MUST be successful :) If I'm not mistaken, the basic rules for each of the options (we're talking about recording a loud rock gig) are as follows:
1. Edirol + battery box + mic
= limiter to off, AGC to off, low cut to off, mic gain to low, plug-in power to off, input level around 40-60 (line-in)
2. Edirol + mic (if the battery box doesn't arrive in time)
= similar as above; differences: mic-in instead of line-in, higher input level (60-70), plug-in power to on
SD Cards - Kingston have good reputation (SDHC, class 6)
Rechargables - standard rechargables (I have Sanyo 2000 mAh and some older 2500 mAh ones) should last at least 3-4 hours? I'll recharge all of them again before I use them, that might help gaining some of the "lost" capacity
Quality of recording - either 44k/24b or 88k/24b seems like a reasonable compromise between size and quality?
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Took me a while to read through all the posts in the previous threads :) My equipment is Edirol R-09 HR, SP-CMC-8 (omnis and cardioids) and a SP battery box (with a bass roll off) is in post (hopefully it reaches me before I leave for the gigs). Unfortunately I won't have almost any time for testing so my first recording MUST be successful :) If I'm not mistaken, the basic rules for each of the options (we're talking about recording a loud rock gig) are as follows:
1. Edirol + battery box + mic
= limiter to off, AGC to off, low cut to off, mic gain to low, plug-in power to off, input level around 40-60 (line-in)
2. Edirol + mic (if the battery box doesn't arrive in time)
= similar as above; differences: mic-in instead of line-in, higher input level (60-70), plug-in power to on
SD Cards - Kingston have good reputation (SDHC, class 6)
Rechargables - standard rechargables (I have Sanyo 2000 mAh and some older 2500 mAh ones) should last at least 3-4 hours? I'll recharge all of them again before I use them, that might help gaining some of the "lost" capacity
Quality of recording - either 44k/24b or 88k/24b seems like a reasonable compromise between size and quality?
When using MIC-IN you need LESS internal gain.
Not 60 =>LINE-IN, but around 40 I´d guess for MIC-IN.
MIC-IN on the r09hr is about +20db more sensitive than LINE-IN.
=>same signal recorded on LINE-IN peaks ie. at -30db on the levelmeter and on MIC-IN at -10db.
I used 60 gain with your equipment at an outdoor rockshow last week with cmc8 cardioids and bbox on line-in.
44.1/24bit is ok ;) and gives you 2h15min until a new file starts at 2GB.
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When using MIC-IN you need LESS internal gain.
Not 60 =>LINE-IN, but around 40 I´d guess for MIC-IN.
MIC-IN on the r09hr is about +20db more sensitive than LINE-IN.
=>same signal recorded on LINE-IN peaks ie. at -30db on the levelmeter and on MIC-IN at -10db.
What he said ;)
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Different topic: How many people have bought the Edirol cover & stand for their 09HR? Is it worth it? I know its over-priced. And that stand looks rather weak. Is it really necessary?
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Different topic: How many people have bought the Edirol cover & stand for their 09HR? Is it worth it? I know its over-priced. And that stand looks rather weak. Is it really necessary?
I can tell only one thing about those accesories:
stay away from the silcone/rubber case.
It's a dust magnet. ;)
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I've bought a brand new R-09HR and some AT943's and SP 2 BB from the yard sale a while back.
I'm way under impressed with the results.
I've taped about 10 shows so far and not happy with the results generally.
Obviously, the HR being new is fine I'm sure, but I've a horrible suspicion that the BB is not working properly.
I recorded Gary Numan last night. BB set at 107, rec input level at 12 and got a horribly distorted recording. The low level stuff (ie, synth intro's were fine and sounded great - the guitar and drums kicked in and just created a mess). I was about 5 meters in front of the soundboard, but think that I wasn't too close, surely 5 meters isn't going to ruin the recording (probably 10 meters from the stage lip I was)? I took great care to monitor what the rec. display was doing, and it peaked at 12db on the display, certainly not causing the peak / overload moniter LCD to trigger.
I'm growing rather annoyed at my consistantly poor recordings, and figure that the BB is broke. I want to buy a new one.
Can anyone recommend one that's small and easy to use?
Cheers and thanks for any further tips from a rather deflated Polewka
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I've bought a brand new R-09HR and some AT943's and SP 2 BB from the yard sale a while back.
I'm way under impressed with the results.
I've taped about 10 shows so far and not happy with the results generally.
Obviously, the HR being new is fine I'm sure, but I've a horrible suspicion that the BB is not working properly.
I recorded Gary Numan last night. BB set at 107, rec input level at 12 and got a horribly distorted recording. The low level stuff (ie, synth intro's were fine and sounded great - the guitar and drums kicked in and just created a mess). I was about 5 meters in front of the soundboard, but think that I wasn't too close, surely 5 meters isn't going to ruin the recording (probably 10 meters from the stage lip I was)? I took great care to monitor what the rec. display was doing, and it peaked at 12db on the display, certainly not causing the peak / overload moniter LCD to trigger.
I'm growing rather annoyed at my consistantly poor recordings, and figure that the BB is broke. I want to buy a new one.
Can anyone recommend one that's small and easy to use?
Cheers and thanks for any further tips from a rather deflated Polewka
Your deck input/settings used?
Using MIC input jack, BACK switches set to LOW input sensitivity/stereo , NO mic power/bass filter/limiter/agc ???
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I've bought a brand new R-09HR and some AT943's and SP 2 BB from the yard sale a while back.
I'm way under impressed with the results.
I've taped about 10 shows so far and not happy with the results generally.
Obviously, the HR being new is fine I'm sure, but I've a horrible suspicion that the BB is not working properly.
I recorded Gary Numan last night. BB set at 107, rec input level at 12 and got a horribly distorted recording. The low level stuff (ie, synth intro's were fine and sounded great - the guitar and drums kicked in and just created a mess). I was about 5 meters in front of the soundboard, but think that I wasn't too close, surely 5 meters isn't going to ruin the recording (probably 10 meters from the stage lip I was)? I took great care to monitor what the rec. display was doing, and it peaked at 12db on the display, certainly not causing the peak / overload moniter LCD to trigger.
I'm growing rather annoyed at my consistantly poor recordings, and figure that the BB is broke. I want to buy a new one.
Can anyone recommend one that's small and easy to use?
Cheers and thanks for any further tips from a rather deflated Polewka
No panic.
Microphone Madness has a bb that is the same size as a Zippo ( Zippo is a cigarette lighter, for you guys who grew up under the impression that cigarettes has always been uncool) ;D
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Whoo! Just got done reading from the first post in Part ONE right up to the post prior to this one.
I'm seriously considering getting an Edirol R-09HR.
First let me explain my intentions for it. I am mainly a videotaper. Nothing beats a really well filmed show that's been synched with a really nice audio recording. Of course, videocam mics are pretty much useless for concert recordings. I've tried connecting mics to the videocam's A/V in/out jack with only limited success, and on more than one occasion, the jack became loose, and I ended up getting no audio or very messed up audio.
I bought a brand new Sony D-100 a few years ago and have used it a bit (maybe have put 30 hours on it). But trying to manage a videocam along with a tape deck (and the battery box, audio tapes, mics, etc.) is just too much, especially in a stealth situation.
So I've been marveling at this Edirol R-09HR...
What I'd like to try and do is just set the levels as best I can, stick it in my breast pocket with the mics poking out of the top, and record with the internal mics. Of course, I wouldn't expect audio quality that you would get with a set of quality mics, BB, pre, etc. I'm just looking for something that'll be OK. And yes, "OK" is about as subjective as it gets. But just about anything beats a videocam's mic.
I saw one post in this (three section) thread that said it was a recording made using the internal mics. But it turned out that the taper used mics.
I'd really like to hear some concert recordings made using the Edirol R-09HR's internal mic. I found two at Dime:
Neil Young
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=209626
Patti Smith
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=207820
Does anyone know of any other such recordings? Any comments/recommendations are also appreciated. Thanks.
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I'd really like to hear some concert recordings made using the Edirol R-09HR's internal mic. I found two at Dime:
Neil Young
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=209626
Patti Smith
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=207820
Does anyone know of any other such recordings? Any comments/recommendations are also appreciated. Thanks.
George Michael:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=207343
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Polewa-as to which small battery box you should get, I would consider staying away from the MM one previously recommended because it (if it is the model I am thinking of) uses three 3 volt lithium batteries and get one that uses easily obtainable 9 volt ones.
Chris Church's battery box is great and barely bigger than the 9 volt battery.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/STEREO-MICROPHONE-BATTERY-BOX-4-MINIDISC-MD-MP3-EDIROL_W0QQitemZ250198677272QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3281QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
You do need to buy a 1/8 to 1/8 output cable though (but this isn't so bad because it allows you to choose/vary the length of your cable). I use this tiny one and velco the battery box to the back of my recorder:
http://www.headphone.com/products/cables-and-adaptors/interconnects/headroom-4-inch-mini-to-mini.php
Only other downside is that it takes about a month to receive products form Chris, but they are worth the wait.
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No panic.
Microphone Madness has a bb that is the same size as a Zippo ( Zippo is a cigarette lighter, for you guys who grew up under the impression that cigarettes has always been uncool) ;D
That's the BB I'm talking about:
http://www.microphonemadness.com/products/mmcbmminminc.htm
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I would like to claify the settings I should use on the R-09.
First my set-up:
Edirol R-09
Church Pre-Amp
DPA-4061 Mics
I believe I should go this way ?
On Back Of R-09
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
Internal Set Up
Menu > Input Display > Plug In Power - OFF
My last question is I see people are commenting that the R-09HR is "Better"
than the R-09.
Is this "Better" something I would hear in a recording with this set up
at a loud rock concert?
If I swapped from a R-09 to an R-09HR in the middle of a show would the latter sound better?
Thanks again for helping.
NT
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I would like to claify the settings I should use on the R-09.
First my set-up:
Edirol R-09
Church Pre-Amp
DPA-4061 Mics
I believe I should go this way ?
On Back Of R-09
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
Internal Set Up
Menu > Input Display > Plug In Power - OFF
My last question is I see people are commenting that the R-09HR is "Better"
than the R-09.
Is this "Better" something I would hear in a recording with this set up
at a loud rock concert?
If I swapped from a R-09 to an R-09HR in the middle of a show would the latter sound better?
Thanks again for helping.
NT
Everything is OK regarding your setup.
To my ears and to other members around here,
yes, you can notice a pronounced warmth in the R-09HR sound. Better unit IMHO.
;)
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Not to start a war but ... what is meant by warmth the way most people use it to describe sound? I usually think of it as a sound with more pronounced midrange.
Anyway, I've made two great recordings with the R9HR so far, with CA ST9100 and 4061's. Can I really hear a difference between 24 bit/44.1K and 96K? Not really ... but psychologically, I feel comforted knowing that geez, there sure is lots of data being written to the SD card. More must be better, right? :)
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Not to start a war but ... what is meant by warmth the way most people use it to describe sound?
The HR seems to record more bass in the input signal. Time for some more testing with a CD player and test signals...
digifish
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There seem to be a number of new R-09HR owners that are using the internal mics. Here's a link to an old R-09 thread exploring a few ways of improving the imaging of the closely spaced R-09 internal omni mics by attaching a small baffle to the recorder between the mics. (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,70134.0.html) Take a look at the first two posts in the thread that are concerned with the internal mics, it gets into wacky stuff with externals from there. The slightly larger folding cardboard baffle works better, but may not work in as many situations as the small foam ball which provides a more subtle improvement but could be used anywhere (well, maybe not the bright green ball).
I almost never use the internal mics so I didn't go farther, but..
Extending the thinking, the ultimate inexpensive improvement of the internal mics would be to form a full Jecklin-disk baffle around the recorder with the mics on either side and get the whole thing up in the air on a pole somehow. If anyone tries this please post photos of your work here and join us over in team DIY. ;)
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Not to start a war but ... what is meant by warmth the way most people use it to describe sound? I usually think of it as a sound with more pronounced midrange.
Anyway, I've made two great recordings with the R9HR so far, with CA ST9100 and 4061's. Can I really hear a difference between 24 bit/44.1K and 96K? Not really ... but psychologically, I feel comforted knowing that geez, there sure is lots of data being written to the SD card. More must be better, right? :)
Hi there,
No war here, friend ;D
Well, by warmth I mean a more pleasant sound, not harsh, not irritating, with a nice bass.
About the 24 bit/44.1 or 96K, I use (my) common sense: the 96K option can't be worst, so I use it ;D.
Take care and enjoy recording with your R09HR. I am ;)
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Can I really hear a difference between 24 bit/44.1K and 96K? Not really ... but psychologically, I feel comforted knowing that geez, there sure is lots of data being written to the SD card. More must be better, right?
About the 24 bit/44.1 or 96K, I use (my) common sense: the 96K option can't be worst, so I use it.
Actually according to Guysonic's R-09HR testing, the line-in RMS noise floor measurement increases a bit when recording 96kHz vs 44.1khz (no data shown for 48 & 88.2 rates). The noise of the HR in that case increases by a dB or two to approximately the same level as the old R-09. Can you actually hear that? I dunno. Are there other factors that make a 96Khz recording subjectively sound better than a 44.1kHz recording on the same R-09 HR or vs. a 44.1kHz recording made on an old R-09? Could be. But considering only the RMS noise measurement on the HR, 44.1Khz performs slightly better than 96kHz.
My point is that more data isn't necessarily better. There are trade offs, and as I mention above those trade offs may not only be limited to the increased size of the resulting files. Personally I feel that doubling the size of my files isn't worth the questionable (to my ears) benefit of the higher sampling rates it so I stick with 48kHz, but I do feel that using 24bits is worthwhile. If CDs were my ultimate listening medium I'd record at 44.1 or, if I was willing to take the space hit and heard something that changed my mind about higher sample rates, 88.2 kHz on the HR, but not 48 or 96 kHz since the sample rate conversion required from those rates to 44.1 might easily eliminate any of the benefit that I can't hear anyway. :P
Of course these are just the personal choices I've made. I don't mean to dissuade anyone from recording at 96kHz. Just keep your mind and ears open and be suspicious of your own assumptions. Don't fall prey to the marketeers simplistic refrain of more is better! The real story is always always more complicated.
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Can I really hear a difference between 24 bit/44.1K and 96K? Not really ... but psychologically, I feel comforted knowing that geez, there sure is lots of data being written to the SD card. More must be better, right?
About the 24 bit/44.1 or 96K, I use (my) common sense: the 96K option can't be worst, so I use it.
Actually according to Guysonic's R-09HR testing, the line-in RMS noise floor measurement increases a bit when recording 96kHz vs 44.1khz (no data shown for 48 & 88.2 rates). The noise of the HR in that case increases by a dB or two to approximately the same level as the old R-09. Can you actually hear that? I dunno. Are there other factors that make a 96Khz recording subjectively sound better than a 44.1kHz recording on the same R-09 HR or vs. a 44.1kHz recording made on an old R-09? Could be. But considering only the RMS noise measurement on the HR, 44.1Khz performs slightly better than 96kHz.
My point is that more data isn't necessarily better. There are trade offs, and as I mention above those trade offs may not only be limited to the increased size of the resulting files. Personally I feel that doubling the size of my files isn't worth the questionable (to my ears) benefit of the higher sampling rates it so I stick with 48kHz, but I do feel that using 24bits is worthwhile. If CDs were my ultimate listening medium I'd record at 44.1 or, if I was willing to take the space hit and heard something that changed my mind about higher sample rates, 88.2 kHz on the HR, but not 48 or 96 kHz since the sample rate conversion required from those rates to 44.1 might easily eliminate any of the benefit that I can't hear anyway. :P
Of course these are just the personal choices I've made. I don't mean to dissuade anyone from recording at 96kHz. Just keep your mind and ears open and be suspicious of your own assumptions. Don't fall prey to the marketeers simplistic refrain of more is better! The real story is always always more complicated.
Thanks for your post.
Don't worry about the marketeers tricks. I'm a copywriter, I've been performing all those tricks for 25 years :wink2:
But I'm also suspicious about those testings. I always pay attention to my ears first.
Thanks again ;)
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Did anyone post this link yet?
O'Riley R09HR review...
http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2007/08/04/r-09-hr-microtrack-2-review.html?page=3
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quick fyi, that link is page 3, here is page 1 linked:
http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2007/08/04/r-09-hr-microtrack-2-review.html?page=1
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quick fyi, that link is page 3, here is page 1 linked:
http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/digitalmedia/2007/08/04/r-09-hr-microtrack-2-review.html?page=1
I know, however that is where the R09HR part started :)
digifish
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good point, me no read good
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Hi there,
No war here, friend ;D
Well, by warmth I mean a more pleasant sound, not harsh, not irritating, with a nice bass.
About the 24 bit/44.1 or 96K, I use (my) common sense: the 96K option can't be worst, so I use it ;D.
Take care and enjoy recording with your R09HR. I am ;)
Dede2002, what kind of sd card do you use for 24/96 recording? thanks!
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Hi there,
No war here, friend ;D
Well, by warmth I mean a more pleasant sound, not harsh, not irritating, with a nice bass.
About the 24 bit/44.1 or 96K, I use (my) common sense: the 96K option can't be worst, so I use it ;D.
Take care and enjoy recording with your R09HR. I am ;)
Dede2002, what kind of sd card do you use for 24/96 recording? thanks!
No problem.
Kingston 8GB class 6.
Take care ;)
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Anyone try a 32GB card yet? The PNY is starting to look attractive, price-wise.
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Anyone try a 32GB card yet? The PNY is starting to look attractive, price-wise.
I haven't tried 32GB yet but have had much success with 2 Transcend 16GB Class 6 cards.
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Yep, I'm aware that the Transcend 16GB cards are spotty. I got one of the early ones that didn't show problems and it's worked well for the past year, but it has recently started flashing 'slow card' occasionally when starting a new recording. I can stop and restart the recording and it runs fine as long as necessary after that and hasn't lost or corrupted a file, but I'm ready to retire it to other duties.
Why 32GB? I really love having all that space on one card. 16 GB on one un-split volume is so much nicer than two 8 GB cards, especially for festivals where it eliminates the 'wasted space' you end up with on multiple cards when there's not enough space to fit a whole set safely. Just eliminates most concerns about media space. Unless I'm maxed out, I don't use 4gb cards anymore. Always nice to have extra in case of unexpected recording opportunities. I bet you 96kHz guys would really like the extra space.
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Yep, I'm aware that the Transcend 16GB cards are spotty. I got one of the early ones that didn't show problems and it's worked well for the past year, but it has recently started flashing 'slow card' occasionally when starting a new recording. I can stop and restart the recording and it runs fine as long as necessary after that and hasn't lost or corrupted a file, but I'm ready to retire it to other duties.
Why 32GB? I really love having all that space on one card. 16 GB on one un-split volume is so much nicer than two 8 GB cards, especially for festivals where it eliminates the 'wasted space' you end up with on multiple cards when there's not enough space to fit a whole set safely. Just eliminates most concerns about media space. Unless I'm maxed out, I don't use 4gb cards anymore. Always nice to have extra in case of unexpected recording opportunities. I bet you 96kHz guys would really like the extra space.
The extra space is nice. I am recording at 24/96 and typically do rock concerts lasting 3-4 hours with a bit of lead-in time. No worries when it comes to space with 16GB. That gives me time to worry about everything else. :-\
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Guys, what's the name of the utility that helps you recover "lost data" (= WAV files with corrupted header - which happens if the recorder is switched off incorrectly or something...). I'll be recording lots of gigs in the forthcoming weeks and I will have no access to the Internet so I'd like to download that program for a possible offline use ;) Thanks!
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Guys, what's the name of the utility that helps you recover "lost data" (= WAV files with corrupted header - which happens if the recorder is switched off incorrectly or something...). I'll be recording lots of gigs in the forthcoming weeks and I will have no access to the Internet so I'd like to download that program for a possible offline use ;) Thanks!
Isn't it wave header repair? I thought I had that on my thumb drive but I don't.
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Guys, what's the name of the utility that helps you recover "lost data" (= WAV files with corrupted header - which happens if the recorder is switched off incorrectly or something...). I'll be recording lots of gigs in the forthcoming weeks and I will have no access to the Internet so I'd like to download that program for a possible offline use ;) Thanks!
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=72936.0
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Finally got my Edirol R-09HR and plan on taking it for a test spin this weekend. It's an all-female mariachi ensemble, and it's outdoors, so I don't think it'll be that loud.
I've got Coresound Stealthy Cardiods with a Coresound battery box.
How does this setup sound:
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
Internal Set Up
Menu > Input Display > Plug In Power - OFF
Start off with audio input at 50.
Thanks!!
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Finally got my Edirol R-09HR and plan on taking it for a test spin this weekend. It's an all-female mariachi ensemble, and it's outdoors, so I don't think it'll be that loud.
I've got Coresound Stealthy Cardiods with a Coresound battery box.
How does this setup sound:
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
Internal Set Up
Menu > Input Display > Plug In Power - OFF
Start off with audio input at 50.
Thanks!!
You´re good to go.
Good luck ;)
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Help! I'm using an 8GB card in my R-09HR, and have had no trouble recording in 24/96, copying files to the computer, etc.
Yesterday, I realized I hadn't yet updated to version 1.04. I had an original R-09, so I'm not unaware of the procedure involved.
I formatted the card, copied the necessary file to it, and tried powering up the HR with REC held down. I get an "no update found" message that won't go away!
I've tried this a couple times, and yes, the file is indeed on the card.
So, has anybody else had this problem?
I know the manual states to never update while on battery power, but I have two fully-charged 2,700MA NiMH batteries in the unit.
Thanks for any suggestions.
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Fresh batteries should work fine.
Format the card in the deck, then load the update file.
Sometimes takes a few tries.
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I tried unsuccessfully to update the firmware to 1.04 with a 4 gb card. But it went quite smoothly when I tried it from the 512 mb card that came with the recorder.
Worth a try, maybe.
Good luck, David
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Help! I'm using an 8GB card in my R-09HR, and have had no trouble recording in 24/96, copying files to the computer, etc.
Yesterday, I realized I hadn't yet updated to version 1.04. I had an original R-09, so I'm not unaware of the procedure involved.
I formatted the card, copied the necessary file to it, and tried powering up the HR with REC held down. I get an "no update found" message that won't go away!
I've tried this a couple times, and yes, the file is indeed on the card.
So, has anybody else had this problem?
I know the manual states to never update while on battery power, but I have two fully-charged 2,700MA NiMH batteries in the unit.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Just curious. What SD brand are you using?
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Where can I find the new firmware 1.04 update??
Mine is still running at 1.03 and tomorrow I have a gig to tape.. Can it hurt not update before that time??
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Where can I find the new firmware 1.04 update??
Mine is still running at 1.03 and tomorrow I have a gig to tape.. Can it hurt not update before that time??
Rule of thumb...never update firmware if you have an important gig coming up AND it ain't broke :)
...but you seem to be a thrill seeker...
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/goFtp.cfm?sRcId=0000024481&sDlId=0000060046
digifish
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Scott/Digifish,
Have you ever used the Sony D50? I know you're a big fan of the R09 and R09HR but the D50 looks quite tempting.
thanks,
Sean
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Scott/Digifish,
Have you ever used the Sony D50? I know you're a big fan of the R09 and R09HR but the D50 looks quite tempting.
thanks,
Sean
No but from the comparisons/recordings I have heard it makes better (lower noise, more detailed?) internal mic recordings than the R09HR. Line in would be no better or worse IMO.
The D50 is a bit larger, and twice as heavy as the HR, so more awkward in comparison. http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/ has a good comparison.
digifish
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Scott/Digifish,
Have you ever used the Sony D50? I know you're a big fan of the R09 and R09HR but the D50 looks quite tempting.
thanks,
Sean
No but from the comparisons/recordings I have heard it makes better (lower noise, more detailed?) internal mic recordings than the R09HR. Line in would be no better or worse IMO.
The D50 is a bit larger, and twice as heavy as the HR, so more awkward in comparison. http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/ has a good comparison.
digifish
Digifish, dude, this site is incredible! Thanks so much for posting the link. Now when and if I decide to go 24 bit I'll have all the answers in one place. Can someone please sticky this link?
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Update: I installed 1.04 successfully, first try, with the 512MB card that came with the recorder. Why this wouldn't work with my 8gb card I have no idea.
Someone asked which card that is, and it's a Transend 8GB HC card, class 2.
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Update: I installed 1.04 successfully, first try, with the 512MB card that came with the recorder. Why this wouldn't work with my 8gb card I have no idea.
Someone asked which card that is, and it's a Transend 8GB HC card, class 2.
That was me.
Please, don't take me wrong, I have nothing against your choice of SD cards,
but there are lots and lots of similar cases ( errors etc) with Transend SD cards. Weird.
Anyway, it`s good to know that right now everything is OK.
Take care ;)
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That was me.
Please, don't take me wrong, I have nothing against your choice of SD cards,
but there are lots and lots of similar cases ( errors etc) with Transend SD cards. Weird.
Anyway, it`s good to know that right now everything is OK.
Take care ;)
Yep, I set it to record 24/96 wav for awhile and let the card fill up ... no problems.
What brand of card are you using in yours? I might get a 16GB card since I seem to derive pleasure from knowing I'm recording so many 1's and 0's, even though I can't hear a difference between 44.1K and 96K. :) Which brand would you recommend?
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16gb adata and kingston work for me/mine
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That was me.
Please, don't take me wrong, I have nothing against your choice of SD cards,
but there are lots and lots of similar cases ( errors etc) with Transend SD cards. Weird.
Anyway, it`s good to know that right now everything is OK.
Take care ;)
Yep, I set it to record 24/96 wav for awhile and let the card fill up ... no problems.
What brand of card are you using in yours? I might get a 16GB card since I seem to derive pleasure from knowing I'm recording so many 1's and 0's, even though I can't hear a difference between 44.1K and 96K. :) Which brand would you recommend?
Hi,
Well, Kingston cards. Not because I'm some sort of an expert or something like that, but because I've never heard a single bad word about that particular brand. I use 4GB and 8 GB class 6 , no problems so far.
On the other hand, I've seen zillions of negative posts regarding Transcend ( Transend?) SD cards.
Take care ;)
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On the other hand, I've seen zillions of negative posts regarding Transcend ( Transend?) SD cards.
My Transcends work without any problem. 4G SD and SDHC's.
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FWIW, I never had any problems with Transcend cards in either my R09 or R09hr.
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I'm not saying that all Transcend cards are bad. I only found strange that there are many cases related to that brand. Thats' all. :coolguy:
P.S.: What FWIW stands for? ;)
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P.S.: What FWIW stands for? ;)
For What Its Worth
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P.S.: What FWIW stands for? ;)
For What Its Worth
Thanks a lot, friend ;)
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I'm not saying that all Transcend cards are bad. I only found strange that there are many cases related to that brand. Thats' all. :coolguy:
P.S.: What FWIW stands for? ;)
FWIW, I also had the 'slow card' message with Transcend cards with the R-09 but no problems recordings so far. 8)
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I used my Edirol R-09HR for the first time last night and I have a question.
Set Up: Edirol > Church Ugly Pre > DPA-4060
The Edirol was set Mic Gain low > Low Cut Off ( Recorded in 48K-24B )
The Church Ugly was set a 11 o'clock (Unity gain)
The mics were used in the LINE IN Jack.
I was about 20' from a EV stack in a small club to test this set up
for the first time, the band was The Blues Travelers.
My levels were slamming so hard that I had to use the level input button
on the Edirol and bring it down to 10 or 11 just to keep the levels between 12 & 6 on the screen.
Is going that low ( since the HR goes to 80 ) a problem ?
Thanks for any input.
Datfly
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I used my Edirol R-09HR for the first time last night and I have a question.
Set Up: Edirol > Church Ugly Pre > DPA-4060
The Edirol was set Mic Gain low > Low Cut Off ( Recorded in 48K-24B )
The Church Ugly was set a 11 o'clock (Unity gain)
I was about 20' from a EV stack in a small club to test this set up
for the first time, the band was The Blues Travelers.
My levels were slamming so hard that I had to use the level input button
on the Edirol and bring it down to 10 or 11 just to keep the levels between 12 & 6 on the screen.
Is going that low ( since the HR goes to 80 ) a problem ?
Thanks for any input.
Datfly
Well, I don't know if that low is a problem.. The best way is the get gain from the pre-amp,
not from the HR itself. Maybe the sound from the stacks was pretty hard, and you were pretty
closeby if I'm reading this right. If the results are good, I don't think it's a problem..
Last friday I taped a show myself with at943 > ST9100 > R09HR, and set the internal gain
at around 50 if i'm not mistaken. Still I had the get around 10/12dB from my pre to get the
levels around 6 on the screen..
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I was always under the impression that it was best to set the RECORDER's levels to unity gain (I've heard that this is around 50 on the R-09HR) and then use the gain on the external (CA Ugly) preamp to control the gain. Also, Datfly, you didn't say whether you were connecting the CA Ugly to the mic-in or the line-in jack of the Edirol. ... You would definitely want to connect it to the line-in in this case. :)
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Oops all my info & I did leave that out.
Yes, I went line in.
So unity Gain on the Edirol R-09HR is around 50 ??
I looked around for that but could not find that info.
Thanks,
Datfly
I was always under the impression that it was best to set the RECORDER's levels to unity gain (I've heard that this is around 50 on the R-09HR) and then use the gain on the external (CA Ugly) preamp to control the gain. Also, Datfly, you didn't say whether you were connecting the CA Ugly to the mic-in or the line-in jack of the Edirol. ... You would definitely want to connect it to the line-in in this case. :)
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Yep,
unity-gain should be around 40/50 (depending on the taping-position)..
and when running a pre, you should definitely go Line-in!
Good luck..
Oops all my info & I did leave that out.
Yes, I went line in.
So unity Gain on the Edirol R-09HR is around 50 ??
I looked around for that but could not find that info.
Thanks,
Datfly
I was always under the impression that it was best to set the RECORDER's levels to unity gain (I've heard that this is around 50 on the R-09HR) and then use the gain on the external (CA Ugly) preamp to control the gain. Also, Datfly, you didn't say whether you were connecting the CA Ugly to the mic-in or the line-in jack of the Edirol. ... You would definitely want to connect it to the line-in in this case. :)
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Yep,
unity-gain should be around 40/50 (depending on the taping-position)..
and when running a pre, you should definitely go Line-in!
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105893.msg1437837.html#msg1437837
Why would (physical?) position matter?
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I recorded a jazz show the other night - first time out with my new Edirol R-09HR. I used Coresound stealthy cardiods w/ a battery box.
Shame on me for not fully testing the rig before I went out. I plugged everything in, and did a "testing....1, 2, 3" voice test directly into the mics and everything seemed to work fine.
However, when I got to the show, I didn't seem to get much of a signal when I plugged the mics into the line-in jack. If I cranked the input up all the way, I got a little bit of movement on the meter (very little). So I went with mic-in and at 50, I got what looked like a nice signal (typically hitting somewhere around halfway across the meter). I recorded the whole show this way. FYI: the volume of the concert itself was fairly loud for a jazz show.
When I got home and downloaded the audio, I found the volume was really low. I had to jack it up 14-15 dBs to get it to where it was audible at a decent level. Fortunately, since it was a jazz concert, even though I really cranked up the volume, the recording didn't suffer from this and sounds quite nice.
Any ideas on why line-in didn't work? And if I have to go with mic-in, it looks like I need to seriously crank up the input. Maybe up around 70. That seems really high though.
I'm still pretty much a newbie at audio recording though - so who knows?
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I recorded a jazz show the other night - first time out with my new Edirol R-09HR. I used Coresound stealthy cardiods w/ a battery box.
Shame on me for not fully testing the rig before I went out. I plugged everything in, and did a "testing....1, 2, 3" voice test directly into the mics and everything seemed to work fine.
However, when I got to the show, I didn't seem to get much of a signal when I plugged the mics into the line-in jack. If I cranked the input up all the way, I got a little bit of movement on the meter (very little). So I went with mic-in and at 50, I got what looked like a nice signal (typically hitting somewhere around halfway across the meter). I recorded the whole show this way. FYI: the volume of the concert itself was fairly loud for a jazz show.
When I got home and downloaded the audio, I found the volume was really low. I had to jack it up 14-15 dBs to get it to where it was audible at a decent level. Fortunately, since it was a jazz concert, even though I really cranked up the volume, the recording didn't suffer from this and sounds quite nice.
Any ideas on why line-in didn't work? And if I have to go with mic-in, it looks like I need to seriously crank up the input. Maybe up around 70. That seems really high though.
I'm still pretty much a newbie at audio recording though - so who knows?
You were on low sensitivity or plugged into the line-in?
digifish
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You were on low sensitivity or plugged into the line-in?
digifish
I tried to go line-in, but I couldn't get a decent signal, so I switched over to the mic jack.
My initial setup was:
Line In
Limiter/ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Plug In Power - OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
audio input at 50
After switching over to mic, I didn't adjust anything else because I thought since it appeared I was getting a good signal, I was OK as is.
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I suggest you take in your BB and have it checked. I myself used the Core Sound HEB with the Core BB and had several problems. Brought it into a authorized service center and they found that the cables for the BB from Core were not grounding properly and I ended up getting rid of the Core Sound BB as a result. I've now gotten rid of anything from Core (save the HEB MIC'S ONLY) and hopefully will have no more problems. It was a major hassle as I thought by using this new unit that would solve the issues I had with equipment. Wouldn't you know it, but the BB was an issue. I've now had my mic wires re terminated to do away with using the CORE BB and as a result one of the advantages is that I don't have that huge DIN type of plug and it's much more stealthy as a result. The other advantage is that I now am on my way to reliable equipment. I've recently purchased both the Church BB and his CA Ugly. I've used the recommendation of others on this board in terms of where to get my equipment, and if you do your 'due diligence' you'll find who to go with and who to stay away from. Best of luck to you.
You were on low sensitivity or plugged into the line-in?
digifish
I tried to go line-in, but I couldn't get a decent signal, so I switched over to the mic jack.
My initial setup was:
Line In
Limiter/ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Plug In Power - OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
audio input at 50
After switching over to mic, I didn't adjust anything else because I thought since it appeared I was getting a good signal, I was OK as is.
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I just got my R-09 HR. The unit looks great and rock solid, compared to the old R-09. Coming from the earlier model, I'm quite familiar with the HR already. But there's one thing I don't yet understand. How exactly does the limiter work? I couldn't find any info on it in the manual (besides how to enable/disable it).
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I just got my R-09 HR. The unit looks great and rock solid, compared to the old R-09. Coming from the earlier model, I'm quite familiar with the HR already. But there's one thing I don't yet understand. How exactly does the limiter work? I couldn't find any info on it in the manual (besides how to enable/disable it).
From the manual: "the Limiter or AGC is a feature that controls distortion by compressing
input levels to an appropriate level when the input sound is too loud". In other words, stay away from this feature if you intend to record live music or the Limiter will destroy the natural dynamics of your recordings ( it's OK for interviews, speech etc).
For live music, keep it on the "off" position.
Take care ;)
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From the manual: "the Limiter or AGC is a feature that controls distortion by compressing
input levels to an appropriate level when the input sound is too loud". In other words, stay away from this feature if you intend to record live music or the Limiter will destroy the natural dynamics of your recordings ( it's OK for interviews, speech etc).
For live music, keep it on the "off" position.
Take care ;)
Thanks, but I read the manual. I wanted to know how *exactly* this works. When is the limiter triggered? What's its threshold? Is it a hard limiter or does it act more like a compressor with a ratio?
I also know that it's normally a bad idea to use a limiter on live audio. But I was wondering if it would help me avoid clipping in those stealth situations. A limiter kicking in is not as worse as a clipped recording...
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From the manual: "the Limiter or AGC is a feature that controls distortion by compressing
input levels to an appropriate level when the input sound is too loud". In other words, stay away from this feature if you intend to record live music or the Limiter will destroy the natural dynamics of your recordings ( it's OK for interviews, speech etc).
For live music, keep it on the "off" position.
Take care ;)
Thanks, but I read the manual. I wanted to know how *exactly* this works. When is the limiter triggered? What's its threshold? Is it a hard limiter or does it act more like a compressor with a ratio?
I also know that it's normally a bad idea to use a limiter on live audio. But I was wondering if it would help me avoid clipping in those stealth situations. A limiter kicking in is not as worse as a clipped recording...
Trust me: you don't want to use that thing on live audio. It's not intended for that. It's not that hard to avoid clipping. If you use 24 bit, there's no reason at all to tape hot. You're going to love your recordings running your levels around -20db and -12db.
Check this out. Awesome reading.
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,69144.msg929333.html#msg929333
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I'm probably going to buy one of these within the next week, but I have to know, does it go through metal detectors?
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I'm probably going to buy one of these within the next week, but I have to know, does it go through metal detectors?
Some folks around here say the R-09HR has no problem with metal detectors. Make sense because it's pretty much plastic. Anyway, I think it all depends on the metal detector set up: high or low.
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I'm probably going to buy one of these within the next week, but I have to know, does it go through metal detectors?
Some folks around here say the R-09HR has no problem with metal detectors. Make sense because it's pretty much plastic. Anyway, I think it all depends on the metal detector set up: high or low.
Thanks a bunch.
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I'm probably going to buy one of these within the next week, but I have to know, does it go through metal detectors?
Some folks around here say the R-09HR has no problem with metal detectors. Make sense because it's pretty much plastic. Anyway, I think it all depends on the metal detector set up: high or low.
Thanks a bunch.
You`re welcome.
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I'm probably going to buy one of these within the next week, but I have to know, does it go through metal detectors?
Some folks around here say the R-09HR has no problem with metal detectors. Make sense because it's pretty much plastic. Anyway, I think it all depends on the metal detector set up: high or low.
^^^ agree. I tested out a R-09 with a metal detector at work, and it was detected. But seems it was on a high sensitivity setting.
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The only SD card I have is the 4 gig Kingston class 6 card that came with my Edirol R-09HR. I have read in previous posts that Kingston class 6 cards seem to work well. I want to get a few 8 gig (or maybe even 16 gig) cards. The place where I usually purchase media has 8 gig Kingston cards, but one is a class 2 and the other is a class 4.
So two questions:
1. Is it best to stick with class 6 cards?
2. Can anyone recommend a good online retailer for SD cards?
Thanks!
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Speed class doesn't matter for recording, but may allow for faster transfer of data off the card to the computer in a reader.
I just bought 2 more 16GB class 4 Kingston cards from Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134617&Tpk=kingston%2016GB%20sdhc) for my R-09s.
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I just bought 2 more 16GB class 4 Kingston cards from Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134617&Tpk=kingston%2016GB%20sdhc) for my R-09s.
WOW those have gotten cheap!
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WOW those have gotten cheap!
No kidding, in August it cost me closer to $100 :(
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Yeah, I was holding out for the 32GB cards to come down in price, but I'll need extra card space in a couple weeks and the price for a pair of those known good quality cards was to good to pass up. Their 8GB cards have never failed me. So 16GB it is.
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Yeah, I was holding out for the 32GB cards to come down in price, but I'll need extra card space in a couple weeks and the price for a pair of those known good quality cards was to good to pass up. Their 8GB cards have never failed me. So 16GB it is.
Is taht link not working for anyone else? maybe they just sold out ...
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36.99 free shipping... working link for me
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4 hours of record time
$16.99
http://www.meritline.com/a-data-8gb-turbo-sdhc-2-0-class-6.html
A-DATA 8GB Turbo Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC 2.0) Class 6 Memory Card, Free Standard Shipping!
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Alright ~ time for a stupid question!
How does the SDHC class numbers work? In other words, which is better for an Edirol R-09HR ~ class 2 ~ class 4 ~ or class 6?
TIA ~~
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Alright ~ time for a stupid question!
How does the SDHC class numbers work? In other words, which is better for an Edirol R-09HR ~ class 2 ~ class 4 ~ or class 6?
TIA ~~
Everything you want to know about SDHC class rating is in a sdhctopc.pdf file!
:coolguy: DOWNLOAD THIS (save target as) : www.sonicstudios.com/sdhctopc.pdf (http://www.sonicstudios.com/sdhctopc.pdf)
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Alright ~ time for a stupid question!
How does the SDHC class numbers work? In other words, which is better for an Edirol R-09HR ~ class 2 ~ class 4 ~ or class 6?
TIA ~~
Everything you want to know about SDHC class rating is in a sdhctopc.pdf file!
:coolguy: DOWNLOAD THIS (save target as) : www.sonicstudios.com/sdhctopc.pdf (http://www.sonicstudios.com/sdhctopc.pdf)
Thanks! +T
So the question is: Is the Class 4 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 4MB/sec sufficient for the R-09HR or would the Class 6 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 6MB/sec be more suited for our audio recording purposes? I typically record at 24/48...
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So the question is: Is the Class 4 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 4MB/sec sufficient for the R-09HR or would the Class 6 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 6MB/sec be more suited for our audio recording purposes? I typically record at 24/48...
24/48 ->
3*2*48000 bytes/s or about 0.28 MB/s
Your card needs to be at least as fast as your audio stream is coming in.
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DOWNLOAD THIS (save target as) : www.sonicstudios.com/sdhctopc.pdf (http://www.sonicstudios.com/sdhctopc.pdf)
Very imformative - thanks!
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So the question is: Is the Class 4 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 4MB/sec sufficient for the R-09HR or would the Class 6 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 6MB/sec be more suited for our audio recording purposes? I typically record at 24/48...
24/48 ->
3*2*48000 bytes/s or about 0.28 MB/s
Your card needs to be at least as fast as your audio stream is coming in.
Very interesting. This may be a dumb question but can you explain how you came up with that formula? How would that vary if recording at 24/96?
:)
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So the question is: Is the Class 4 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 4MB/sec sufficient for the R-09HR or would the Class 6 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 6MB/sec be more suited for our audio recording purposes? I typically record at 24/48...
24/48 ->
3*2*48000 bytes/s or about 0.28 MB/s
Your card needs to be at least as fast as your audio stream is coming in.
Very interesting. This may be a dumb question but can you explain how you came up with that formula? How would that vary if recording at 24/96?
:)
I may be wrong, but:
8 bits per byte, so a 24 bit sample is 3 bytes, times 2 channels (stereo), times 48000 samples per second...
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Are the built-in microphones on the Edirol R-09HR omnis or cardioids?
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Are the built-in microphones on the Edirol R-09HR omnis or cardioids?
OMnis. I havn't tried constructing some sort of baffle for them yet, but plan to, either out of some sort of sphere, or maybe a folded mouse pad.
Anyway, I find the mics in the HR sound better than the ones in the original R9 ... less peaky in the treble.
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Are the built-in microphones on the Edirol R-09HR omnis or cardioids?
I asked Chris Church this question (he can do a mod for the built-in mics) and I believe he said they are omnis.
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Alright ~ time for a stupid question!
How does the SDHC class numbers work? In other words, which is better for an Edirol R-09HR ~ class 2 ~ class 4 ~ or class 6?
TIA ~~
Everything you want to know about SDHC class rating is in a sdhctopc.pdf file!
:coolguy: DOWNLOAD THIS (save target as) : www.sonicstudios.com/sdhctopc.pdf (http://www.sonicstudios.com/sdhctopc.pdf)
Thanks for the info. Great reading.
+T :coolguy:
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Are the built-in microphones on the Edirol R-09HR omnis or cardioids?
OMnis. I havn't tried constructing some sort of baffle for them yet, but plan to, either out of some sort of sphere, or maybe a folded mouse pad.
If you use the internal mics much, do it. It will improve the stereo imaging dramatically. Jeklin disk all-in-one recorder. ;D See the first two posts here. (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,70134.msg939769.html#msg939769)
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So the question is: Is the Class 4 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 4MB/sec sufficient for the R-09HR or would the Class 6 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 6MB/sec be more suited for our audio recording purposes? I typically record at 24/48...
24/48 ->
3*2*48000 bytes/s or about 0.28 MB/s
Your card needs to be at least as fast as your audio stream is coming in.
Very interesting. This may be a dumb question but can you explain how you came up with that formula? How would that vary if recording at 24/96?
I may be wrong, but:
8 bits per byte, so a 24 bit sample is 3 bytes, times 2 channels (stereo), times 48000 samples per second...
Correct.
For 96000Hz versus 48000 you double the number 48000 in the formula.
It's:
(Number of bytes per sample * number of channels * samplerate) / (1024 * 1024) MB/s
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So the question is: Is the Class 4 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 4MB/sec sufficient for the R-09HR or would the Class 6 SDHC guaranteed minimum Data Transfer Rate of 6MB/sec be more suited for our audio recording purposes? I typically record at 24/48...
24/48 ->
3*2*48000 bytes/s or about 0.28 MB/s
Your card needs to be at least as fast as your audio stream is coming in.
Very interesting. This may be a dumb question but can you explain how you came up with that formula? How would that vary if recording at 24/96?
I may be wrong, but:
8 bits per byte, so a 24 bit sample is 3 bytes, times 2 channels (stereo), times 48000 samples per second...
Correct.
For 96000Hz versus 48000 you double the number 48000 in the formula.
It's:
(Number of bytes per sample * number of channels * samplerate) / (1024 * 1024) MB/s
Thank you - +T's for the information!!
:)
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Thank you - +T's for the information!!
:)
BTW: Sound Devices has the following calculator...
http://www.sounddevices.com/calculator/
digifish
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Maybe it's a coincidence, but honestly I don`t think so. :hmmm:
I updated my R-09HR two days ago to the new Ver.!.05 firmware. Well, since than the weirdest thing is going on. Sometimes ( always at the worst time) when I turn my unit On, the display freezes on the Edirol R-09HR- Enjoy Recording Ver. 1.05 image appears. I have to remove the batteries, insert them again and press the Power button to turn the thing On.
Any guess? I' considering a down grade to th Ver.1.04 but I don't know if I can do that.
Appreciate any help from you guys.Thanks in advance :coolguy:
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Hmmm.... this just happened to me as well. And I had to remove the batteries to turn off the unit. I tried it three more times afterward, but it hasn't hung up again so far. Might be an issue with the update?
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Hmmm.... this just happened to me as well. And I had to remove the batteries to turn off the unit. I tried it three more times afterward, but it hasn't hung up again so far. Might be an issue with the update?
Well, I'm not alone. Seems to be an issue with the update indeed.
And I don't know what to do :-[
Have you contacted Roland US? See, I'd do this myself but I can't. I live overseas and they only accept contact when you provide an US address. Of course I can always contact Roland Brasil, but they are known around here for their automatic responses and, to be honest, I'm sure they are not going to help me at all.
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Hmmm.... this just happened to me as well. And I had to remove the batteries to turn off the unit. I tried it three more times afterward, but it hasn't hung up again so far. Might be an issue with the update?
Well, I'm not alone. Seems to be an issue with the update indeed.
And I don't know what to do :-[
Have you contacted Roland US? See, I'd do this myself but I can't. I live overseas and they only accept contact when you provide an US address. Of course I can always contact Roland Brasil, but they are known around here for their automatic responses and, to be honest, I'm sure they are not going to help me at all.
The first thing you should try is to re-install the update...and or re-install 1.04 if that doesn't work.
digifish
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I was going to install 1.05 - now I'm glad I never got around to it yet. Sounds like it's a little glitchy.
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Can anyone prove, with 100% certainty this is an issue with 1.05 and not just a weird fluke?
As in, can you repeat it over and over again and then revert back to 1.04 and be sure its gone?
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Hmmm.... this just happened to me as well. And I had to remove the batteries to turn off the unit. I tried it three more times afterward, but it hasn't hung up again so far. Might be an issue with the update?
Well, I'm not alone. Seems to be an issue with the update indeed.
And I don't know what to do :-[
Have you contacted Roland US? See, I'd do this myself but I can't. I live overseas and they only accept contact when you provide an US address. Of course I can always contact Roland Brasil, but they are known around here for their automatic responses and, to be honest, I'm sure they are not going to help me at all.
The first thing you should try is to re-install the update...and or re-install 1.04 if that doesn't work.
digifish
Just did that. Nothing really changes when you re-install the update.
I'm kinda worried about re-install the 1.04. I don't even know if the unity will accept it.
Man, I'm always afraid about them upgrades. Seems to me that they are more like a trap than a real good thing...
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The first thing you should try is to re-install the update...and or re-install 1.04 if that doesn't work.
digifish
Version 1.04 has just been re-installed. No problems doing that.
After that, I turned the unit On and Off like 6 times and everything was just fine.
I'll try again in the morning. Anyway, my R-09HR was freezing all the time and now it is not.
Since I'm not alone dealing with this problem, I assume there is something wrong with this 1.05 update.
It would be great to listen from other folks.
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The first thing you should try is to re-install the update...and or re-install 1.04 if that doesn't work.
digifish
Version 1.04 has just been re-installed. No problems doing that.
After that, I turned the unit On and Off like 6 times and everything was just fine.
I'll try again in the morning. Anyway, my R-09HR was freezing all the time and now it is not.
Since I'm not alone dealing with this problem, I assume there is something wrong with this 1.05 update.
It would be great to listen from other folks.
I just turned mine on/off 10 times, 1.05, no problems. What is your switch configuration, I'll replicate that and try again.
digifish
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The first thing you should try is to re-install the update...and or re-install 1.04 if that doesn't work.
digifish
Version 1.04 has just been re-installed. No problems doing that.
After that, I turned the unit On and Off like 6 times and everything was just fine.
I'll try again in the morning. Anyway, my R-09HR was freezing all the time and now it is not.
Since I'm not alone dealing with this problem, I assume there is something wrong with this 1.05 update.
It would be great to listen from other folks.
I just turned mine on/off 10 times, 1.05, no problems. What is your switch configuration, I'll replicate that and try again.
digifish
I'm not sure if I understand. What do you mean with "switch configuration"?
Thanks
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Hey all...I'm thinking about picking one of the R-09HR's up and I seem to recall a while back that someone said they bought a new one for like $250???? Was that true, or is there a link or something? Does anyone have any good suggestions where to pick one up?
Thanks for any input!
ryan
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Hey all...I'm thinking about picking one of the R-09HR's up and I seem to recall a while back that someone said they bought a new one for like $250???? Was that true, or is there a link or something? Does anyone have any good suggestions where to pick one up?
Thanks for any input!
ryan
Don't know how that smiley got there? I didn't insert it. I would have added one of these ;D if someone can point me to a cheap one!
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The first thing you should try is to re-install the update...and or re-install 1.04 if that doesn't work.
digifish
Version 1.04 has just been re-installed. No problems doing that.
After that, I turned the unit On and Off like 6 times and everything was just fine.
I'll try again in the morning. Anyway, my R-09HR was freezing all the time and now it is not.
Since I'm not alone dealing with this problem, I assume there is something wrong with this 1.05 update.
It would be great to listen from other folks.
I just turned mine on/off 10 times, 1.05, no problems. What is your switch configuration, I'll replicate that and try again.
digifish
I'm not sure if I understand. What do you mean with "switch configuration"?
Thanks
All the switches on the back of the unit, what position are they in? Perhaps it's something unique about the particular functions you have set. As I could not replicate it, it could be an 1.05 and switch interaction?
digifish
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Makes me glad I never did it. I don't see a good reason to upgrade based on the benefits listed. I'm up to my eye-brows with code upgrade issues from a major release at work over the weekend. I get paid to recover from this mess. I don't get paid to recover from Edirol upgrade issues. If its not broke and if the improvements don't really pertain to your needs, don't fix it.
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I was able to replicate the problem 3-4 times successfully. Tonight, I will:
1) check switch positions
2) re-install 1.05
3) re-install 1.04 if the problem still occurs
and post here. :)
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The first thing you should try is to re-install the update...and or re-install 1.04 if that doesn't work.
digifish
Version 1.04 has just been re-installed. No problems doing that.
After that, I turned the unit On and Off like 6 times and everything was just fine.
I'll try again in the morning. Anyway, my R-09HR was freezing all the time and now it is not.
Since I'm not alone dealing with this problem, I assume there is something wrong with this 1.05 update.
It would be great to listen from other folks.
I just turned mine on/off 10 times, 1.05, no problems. What is your switch configuration, I'll replicate that and try again.
digifish
I'm not sure if I understand. What do you mean with "switch configuration"?
Thanks
All the switches on the back of the unit, what position are they in? Perhaps it's something unique about the particular functions you have set. As I could not replicate it, it could be an 1.05 and switch interaction?
digifish
I got you.Well, everything is on the standard position, so to speak. Ext Mic: stereo, everything else is not been engaged (limiter, low cut etc ).
Since last night I turn that thing On and Off zillions of times after re-install Ver 1.04. Works perfectly, the problem is gone.
I'm not saying that the the problem will occur with every unit. But this thing happened to me and GregDunn. I think this is evidence enough that the same could happen again with other units. ;)
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If its not broke and if the improvements don't really pertain to your needs, don't fix it.
I've always been very slow to apply updates like this - and I maintain the same philosophy as you. I have a 4-5 year old DVD authoring program that I use and it's v2. I think it's up to v5 now - but I stick with v2 because it does everything I need.
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Last tuesday I installed the new 1.05version..
Yesterdayevening I taped a show. No problems at all.
Everything worked just fine with the new firmware..
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Last tuesday I installed the new 1.05version..
Yesterdayevening I taped a show. No problems at all.
Everything worked just fine with the new firmware..
Same thing here. I even taped a show using the new firmware. The malfunction only happened after two days.
Like I said before, it's not something that can occur with all units.
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Speed class doesn't matter for recording, but may allow for faster transfer of data off the card to the computer in a reader.
I just bought 2 more 16GB class 4 Kingston cards from Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134617&Tpk=kingston%2016GB%20sdhc) for my R-09s.
Just used this link to order two of these 16GB cards - for a grand total of $80.78 (includes shipping). What a great deal - thanks for the link!!
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Just saw this... wish I had some funds on hand:
http://www.supermediastore.com/adata-16gb-class-6-turbo-sdhc-sd-card.html
40% off coupon code: MEW40P
2 cards (that I use in my deck for every show) $61.19 shipped!
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Just saw this... wish I had some funds on hand:
http://www.supermediastore.com/adata-16gb-class-6-turbo-sdhc-sd-card.html
40% off coupon code: MEW40P
2 cards (that I use in my deck for every show) $61.19 shipped!
Damn....you posted this around two hours too late! ;D
Are Adata cards generally considered reliable? I bought Kingston cards and they seem to have a very good reputation for working well in the Edirol.
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I have Kingston 8gg and 16gb cards, no problems in my camera or deck
I have an Adata 16gb, no problems in my camera or deck
That is all I can offer, is no issues on my end and about 5 months of recording and pix taking
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I have Kingston 8gg and 16gb cards, no problems in my camera or deck
I have an Adata 16gb, no problems in my camera or deck
That is all I can offer, is no issues on my end and about 5 months of recording and pix taking
That's nice to know. Sending you a virtual +T (since I don't have enough posts to give you an actual +T).
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That's nice to know. Sending you a virtual +T (since I don't have enough posts to give you an actual +T).
Thanks for the thought... but how is 480 posts not enough for tickets? weird
+T for the thought :)
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That's nice to know. Sending you a virtual +T (since I don't have enough posts to give you an actual +T).
Thanks for the thought... but how is 480 posts not enough for tickets? weird
+T for the thought :)
I read somewhere here at the board that the thresh hold for having the ticket option is now 500 posts. Apparently some folks were setting up 2nd, 3rd, and 4th accounts, posting 50 quickie posts in each of them, and then using those accounts to either boost their own main account's ticket tally and/or to troll and ding the accounts of people they don't like.
Sad, but apparently true.
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I read somewhere here at the board that the thresh hold for having the ticket option is now 500 posts. Apparently some folks were setting up 2nd, 3rd, and 4th accounts, posting 50 quickie posts in each of them, and then using those accounts to either boost their own main account's ticket tally and/or to troll and ding the accounts of people they don't like.
Not that this is r09hr related, but that is messed up... it just a message board, not like you earn real money or anything from it
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I've been using two A-Data 16 gig cards with no problems for a few months now.
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Finally got my Edirol R-09HR and plan on taking it for a test spin this weekend. It's an all-female mariachi ensemble, and it's outdoors, so I don't think it'll be that loud.
I've got Coresound Stealthy Cardiods with a Coresound battery box.
How does this setup sound:
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
Internal Set Up
Menu > Input Display > Plug In Power - OFF
Start off with audio input at 50.
Thanks!!
You´re good to go.
Good luck ;)
I dont understand the part above (Menu > Input Display > Plug In Power - OFF)
When I go to menu > input setup > I dont have that option
Plug in power is on the switch in the back.
As far as input setups...is this right....
Rec Monitor Sw (ON)
Mic Type (STEREO)
Limiter/AGC: (LIMITER)..maybe this does not make a difference if switch in back is off?
My setup is CA11 > 9100 > R-09HR
As always I appreciate any input on the input
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Finally got my Edirol R-09HR and plan on taking it for a test spin this weekend. It's an all-female mariachi ensemble, and it's outdoors, so I don't think it'll be that loud.
I've got Coresound Stealthy Cardiods with a Coresound battery box.
How does this setup sound:
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
Internal Set Up
Menu > Input Display > Plug In Power - OFF
Start off with audio input at 50.
Thanks!!
You´re good to go.
Good luck ;)
I dont understand the part above (Menu > Input Display > Plug In Power - OFF)
When I go to menu > input setup > I dont have that option
Plug in power is on the switch in the back.
As far as input setups...is this right....
Rec Monitor Sw (ON)
Mic Type (STEREO)
Limiter/AGC: (LIMITER)..maybe this does not make a difference if switch in back is off?
My setup is CA11 > 9100 > R-09HR
As always I appreciate any input on the input
Yes, you're correct. Plug In power is on the switch in the back.
Mic Type is only good if you run the Mic input. It doesn't work if you use Line In.
I usually leave the Rec Monitor Sw on the Off position ( I just don't use the monitor).
Yes, don't worry about the Limiter/AGC if the switch is off.
Take care ;)
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You were on low sensitivity or plugged into the line-in?
digifish
I tried to go line-in, but I couldn't get a decent signal, so I switched over to the mic jack.
My initial setup was:
Line In
Limiter/ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Plug In Power - OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
audio input at 50
After switching over to mic, I didn't adjust anything else because I thought since it appeared I was getting a good signal, I was OK as is.
I'm quoting myself here, but this will save me from recreating a post.
I'm kind of lost when it comes to determining the right meter levels. The first show I recorded (with the above settings - switched to the mic in jack) didn't turn out so well. My meter levels were showing at about the same levels as in this picture. Are these too low?
(http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7503/edirolah7.jpg)
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You were on low sensitivity or plugged into the line-in?
digifish
I tried to go line-in, but I couldn't get a decent signal, so I switched over to the mic jack.
My initial setup was:
Line In
Limiter/ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Plug In Power - OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
audio input at 50
After switching over to mic, I didn't adjust anything else because I thought since it appeared I was getting a good signal, I was OK as is.
I'm quoting myself here, but this will save me from recreating a post.
I'm kind of lost when it comes to determining the right meter levels. The first show I recorded (with the above settings - switched to the mic in jack) didn't turn out so well. My meter levels were showing at about the same levels as in this picture. Are these too low?
(http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7503/edirolah7.jpg)
Yes, I'd say they're kinda low. I'm assuming that they are peaking.
If you're taping using 24 bit ( please do) you can tape at conservative levels. Peaking at 12db and you are in great shape.
There is no good reason to peak higher than that if you use 24 bit.
Take care ;)
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(http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7503/edirolah7.jpg)
Anyone know what the "LMT 21:48" on the bottom right indicates?
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(http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7503/edirolah7.jpg)
Anyone know what the "LMT 21:48" on the bottom right indicates?
This is a guess, but I think I took that pic last night around that time (9:48pm).
Edit: I just checked my Edirol - and yes it's an indicator of the time.
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Edit: I just check my Edirol - and yes it's an indicator of the time.
Cool, thanks. Kind of useless to have though, would have been much better to show 16/24 bit setting there instead.
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according to the manual, the LMT indicates:
LIMITER/AGC status (Operates as ON/OFF)
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according to the manual, the LMT indicates:
LIMITER/AGC status (Operates as ON/OFF)
Thanks, makes sense now. LMT vs AGC and then the clock on the bottom right.
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Thanks, makes sense now. LMT vs AGC and then the clock on the bottom right.
Bingo
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Newbie question. I just received my new R09HR, and a Kingston 8G memory card. Do I just swap it out with 512M card that came with the unit, or is there some installation required to get it to work with the R09HR? Thanks in advance if you can help me out.
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insert the 8G SD card and format via the r09hr's menu. that's it.
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Thanks! I have my R09-HR already to go for my first live test tonight. I'm recording my son's black metal band in a theater. They're one of the support acts for Iced Earth. I'm using the internal mics tonight, but I have a pair of CA-14 cardioids and the 9100 preamp ordered for future shows.
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Does the Edirol actually has a direct line out ( not a headphone out ) so you can make an analog copy to a Minidisc or DAT ?
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Headphone out doubles as the analog line out (variable output). The R-09 includes optical digital out through the same jack but that feature was eliminated on the R-09HR.
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Headphone out doubles as the analog line out (variable output). The R-09 includes optical digital out through the same jack but that feature was eliminated on the R-09HR.
Interesting ! I never though the Edirol would have a line out at all.
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Headphone out doubles as the analog line out (variable output). The R-09 includes optical digital out through the same jack but that feature was eliminated on the R-09HR.
How do you choose this? Is there a menu system?
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My brain is dead tonight. I just upgraded firmware to v1.05. How do I get the record light to turn off? Thanks in advance for any help!
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My brain is dead tonight. I just upgraded firmware to v1.05. How do I get the record light to turn off? Thanks in advance for any help!
Menu > Display Setup > Rec/Peak LED ( at this point you select "Power Save")
That's it. ;)
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My brain is dead tonight. I just upgraded firmware to v1.05. How do I get the record light to turn off? Thanks in advance for any help!
Go into Menu, Display Setup, and set Display Timer to 20 sec and set Rec/Peak LED to "Power Save". It will go off after 20 seconds.
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My brain is dead tonight. I just upgraded firmware to v1.05. How do I get the record light to turn off? Thanks in advance for any help!
Go into Menu, Display Setup, and set Display Timer to 20 sec and set Rec/Peak LED to "Power Save". It will go off after 20 seconds.
20 seconds with the "hey, I'm taping here" light shining in the dark? :o
I'd choose the 2 seconds option ( after 2 seconds the Rec/Peak light will go off).
Take care.
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My brain is dead tonight. I just upgraded firmware to v1.05. How do I get the record light to turn off? Thanks in advance for any help!
Go into Menu, Display Setup, and set Display Timer to 20 sec and set Rec/Peak LED to "Power Save". It will go off after 20 seconds.
20 seconds with the "hey, I'm taping here" light shining in the dark? :o
I'd choose the 2 seconds option ( after 2 seconds the Rec/Peak light will go off).
Take care.
Well I keep my rig in a small black bag so the light isn't very easy to see by other, and for me 2 seconds isn't long enough to really see what's going on with he Edirol. Personal choice I guess.
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thanks -- I knew I was totally overlooking something.
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Pulled a full show last night with my R-09HR for the first time. It was a little over two hours long. Pop music in a smallish arena (3-4 thousand seater - that was packed to the gills). I was situated dead center, front row of the balcony - around 40 rows back from the stage. They actually had a table set up for the first row - which turned out to be nice for recording - I just set the recorder and the mics on the front edge of the table and covered them with a jacket.
I used Coresound stealthy cartioids with a battery box.
For some reason, I can't get a decent signal using line in (tested this with a mic that has a battery box, and one without a battery box). So I started out with the mic jack, mic gain on hi, and input at 60. I quickly dropped the input to 45 after the show started - and left it there through out the show. The levels looked good both on the Edirol and in my audio editor after I downloaded it. Even though it seemed like the sound at the show didn't sound that great where I was sitting, the recording still turned OK.
Here are a few short samples:
a sample of an upbeat song: http://media.putfile.com/JYPloud
a sample of a soft ballad: http://media.putfile.com/JYPquiet
FYI: This was not a band that sings in English - so if the lyrics sound kind of strange - that's why ;D
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Just an easy question.
As I can understand, a battery box has to be used to power mics instead of using plug in power, while a preamp....it's a preamp.
So things should be:
External mics with battery box= mic input
Preamp = line input
In previous posts I've read that somebody uses mics+bb and goes into line-in. How can it be since a battery box just powers the mics and doesn't (as far as I know) boost the signal?
thank you
c
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Just an easy question.
As I can understand, a battery box has to be used to power mics instead of using plug in power, while a preamp....it's a preamp.
So things should be:
External mics with battery box= mic input
Preamp = line input
In previous posts I've read that somebody uses mics+bb and goes into line-in. How can it be since a battery box just powers the mics and doesn't (as far as I know) boost the signal?
thank you
c
The edirol only provides about 3.8 volts of bias power for your mics this is not enough power for most microphones.
The battery box is most often used with the line input because the mic input on most recorders tend to overload fairly easily because its a mic input and is more sensitive then the line input is.
So most tapers use the line input and a battery box for really loud shows and dont end up needing a preamp.
You can use a battery box with the mic input and get better bias voltage for your mics and then rely on the mic input for gain. The HR has a good mic preamp for most things.
A well designed mic preamp can power the mics and provide a lower noise recording then just the mic input alone.
In some cases you can also use a preamp on the mic input but you have to be careful not to get to much gain out of the preamp this would be useful in situations where there was really quiet things being recorded.
IMO an external preamp can be very handy but if you only tape really loud shows you might not need one.
Chris
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My question is regarding sennMKE2's
I had a local guy who had a set of these used make me up them with a 1/8 in plug and loan them to me for the weekend. I recorded two shows on their maiden voyage. one at a coffeehouse sat. and the other blue grass firday night. sound was not loud by any means. I ran them plug in power on the high setting. they were set to 50 on the high setting. recordings on the quick check came out good. blue grass were worn on the hat and the coffee house were on glasses. are these settings normal?? I would say 80 on the low setting =about 40-45 on high with these mics. curious to what folks think. I would post a sample but unsure how
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(http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7503/edirolah7.jpg)
Anyone know what the "LMT 21:48" on the bottom right indicates?
No, the "LMT" means you have the switch on the back set to "LIMITER", but have the option off in the menu.
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Thank you very much Chris fot your explanation.
I think that one should look for the sensitivity of a mic for a better job without a preamp. I.e. a couple of rode nt1(phantom powered is more sensitive than a nt4 so they will provide a stronger signal.
Am I completely wrong?
In my case I have to tape classical music (mostly piano or piano and something else), so I think I'll neeeed a preamp.
thank you
c
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Thank you very much Chris fot your explanation.
I think that one should look for the sensitivity of a mic for a better job without a preamp. I.e. a couple of rode nt1(phantom powered is more sensitive than a nt4 so they will provide a stronger signal.
Am I completely wrong?
In my case I have to tape classical music (mostly piano or piano and something else), so I think I'll neeeed a preamp.
thank you
c
If you want the best S/N ratio then yes a preamp is a good idea.. You should also look at sensitive mics as well but be careful Classical music can get very loud you dont want something that will overload easley. Its always a fine balance.
Chris
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My question is regarding sennMKE2's
I had a local guy who had a set of these used make me up them with a 1/8 in plug and loan them to me for the weekend. I recorded two shows on their maiden voyage. one at a coffeehouse sat. and the other blue grass firday night. sound was not loud by any means. I ran them plug in power on the high setting. they were set to 50 on the high setting. recordings on the quick check came out good. blue grass were worn on the hat and the coffee house were on glasses. are these settings normal?? I would say 80 on the low setting =about 40-45 on high with these mics. curious to what folks think. I would post a sample but unsure how
To get the best out of your great mics you need a battery box.. Although the Mke2 will run from about 2.5 volts to 10 volts they are much more happy at 5 to 9 volts the edirol only puts out about 3.8 volts max. So can you get away with it Yes... Sometimes it will not be an issue but in a really loud situation a battery box at the very least would be advisable.
Take a look in the yardsale section battery boxes do come up from time to time.
Chris
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Just joined the R-09HR club: wish i'd bought one years ago after a long time in md-land
On first recording i used External mics = mic input and level around 55
A small club with semi/acoustic performance - no drums
Recording came out well although the introducing of songs is low - and clapping of audience loud
Would it be useful to use the batt.box on mic input and what level would be needed?
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It's been a while since I checked in (vacation, etc.) but I've been testing my 09HR in the meanwhile and made the following observations:
1) All the back panel switches are set to their factory defaults.
2) I've set recording parameters at 88.2/16, 88.2/24, 48/16 and 48/24 during tests.
3) I've reinstalled firmware 1.05 twice.
Still the unit hangs randomly when powering up. If I then pull out the batteries for >10 sec. and reinstall them, it seems to boot up OK. I tried shorter intervals and the unit would still hang. Whether the SD card is freshly formatted seems to make no difference.
I'm going to put 1.04 back in and re-test this weekend.
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It's been a while since I checked in (vacation, etc.) but I've been testing my 09HR in the meanwhile and made the following observations:
1) All the back panel switches are set to their factory defaults.
2) I've set recording parameters at 88.2/16, 88.2/24, 48/16 and 48/24 during tests.
3) I've reinstalled firmware 1.05 twice.
Still the unit hangs randomly when powering up. If I then pull out the batteries for >10 sec. and reinstall them, it seems to boot up OK. I tried shorter intervals and the unit would still hang. Whether the SD card is freshly formatted seems to make no difference.
I'm going to put 1.04 back in and re-test this weekend.
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In that case when my 09hr arrives today, I'll leave 1.04 on it until these issues have been resolved. Thanks for the update!
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It's been a while since I checked in (vacation, etc.) but I've been testing my 09HR in the meanwhile and made the following observations:
1) All the back panel switches are set to their factory defaults.
2) I've set recording parameters at 88.2/16, 88.2/24, 48/16 and 48/24 during tests.
3) I've reinstalled firmware 1.05 twice.
Still the unit hangs randomly when powering up. If I then pull out the batteries for >10 sec. and reinstall them, it seems to boot up OK. I tried shorter intervals and the unit would still hang. Whether the SD card is freshly formatted seems to make no difference.
I'm going to put 1.04 back in and re-test this weekend.
Do you know what's going to happen? It's going to work. Perfectly like it's supposed to be. The same weird things happened to me when I upgraded. Same thing. It was all gone the moment I put the 1.04 back.
Take care ;)
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This might sound like a stupid question but how do I update the firmware on my HR?
Chris
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This might sound like a stupid question but how do I update the firmware on my HR?
Chris
The 1.05 upgrade link vanished from the Download page at http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=960&ParentId=114.
You can only find the 1.04 firmware ( the one I use BTW).
Seems to me that they came to the conclusion (I did) that this thing has something really wrong to it. :P
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This might sound like a stupid question but how do I update the firmware on my HR?
Chris
Go go to the download link @ roland.com - there you can also d'l a pdf that gives exact steps for the firmware update
1.05 is still here
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?iCncd=4720&ln=en&SearchBy=RcId&dst=P&iRcId=0000026712&dsp=1
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Thank you guys.
God knows I have updated my fair share of devices and firmware but for some reason I could not find any info.. I guess I was not looking hard enough.
Chris
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I took my 09HR to work today and repeatedly cycled the power; I was getting about 70% freezes with 1.05 - the highest incidence rate ever. Tried some setting changes that I might possibly have tweaked, just to be sure it wasn't an odd combo of internal configuration.
Just got home, restored 1.04, and have cycled the unit half a dozen times with no problems. I'll keep doing this with different settings until I'm convinced, but it looks very positive at the moment.
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I took my 09HR to work today and repeatedly cycled the power; I was getting about 70% freezes with 1.05 - the highest incidence rate ever. Tried some setting changes that I might possibly have tweaked, just to be sure it wasn't an odd combo of internal configuration.
Just got home, restored 1.04, and have cycled the unit half a dozen times with no problems. I'll keep doing this with different settings until I'm convinced, but it looks very positive at the moment.
Trust me. Nothing bad is going to happen again.
Same weird thing happened to me and since I put the 1.04 firmware back, everything is OK.
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I took my 09HR to work today and repeatedly cycled the power; I was getting about 70% freezes with 1.05 - the highest incidence rate ever. Tried some setting changes that I might possibly have tweaked, just to be sure it wasn't an odd combo of internal configuration.
Just got home, restored 1.04, and have cycled the unit half a dozen times with no problems. I'll keep doing this with different settings until I'm convinced, but it looks very positive at the moment.
Trust me. Nothing bad is going to happen again.
Same weird thing happened to me and since I put the 1.04 firmware back, everything is OK.
I have been using 1.05 without problems since it came out. I wonder if you guys had a corrupt download?
digifish
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I went to the link posted in a thread here - which I assume most others did? No idea how it could have been corrupted and still unpacked without checksum errors, but I suppose it's possible.
What kind of card are others using? I have a Patriot 8GB Class 6 SDHC card in while testing...
I don't really have any shows coming up till December, so I could get a new download, install 1.05 again, test some more. But frankly I don't see anything in 1.05 that I need over 1.04...
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I went to the link posted in a thread here - which I assume most others did? No idea how it could have been corrupted and still unpacked without checksum errors, but I suppose it's possible.
What kind of card are others using? I have a Patriot 8GB Class 6 SDHC card in while testing...
I don't really have any shows coming up till December, so I could get a new download, install 1.05 again, test some more. But frankly I don't see anything in 1.05 that I need over 1.04...
That's exactly the point. Nothing really new in the new firmware. I use a Kingston 8GB class 6 SD card. But the same weird thing happened when I tried with my 4GB Kingston card.
As a matter of fact, I've downloaded the the new version four times. Same problem every time. That's why, like others, I put the 1.04 version back in my unit. No more problems ever since.
I've never said the new firmware it a drag or something. Just that the same problem happened to a resonable number of members around here, which is really strange.
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Yeah, I was just hoping there might be a common factor causing some of us to have problems with 1.05. Usually lockups on boot translate to some kind of race condition with the hardware, and the memory is probably the biggest variable in individual units. Not knowing what the unit is trying to initialize after the banner and before the operational display comes up, I can't suggest what other component might be contributing to the issue.
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Yeah, I was just hoping there might be a common factor causing some of us to have problems with 1.05. Usually lockups on boot translate to some kind of race condition with the hardware, and the memory is probably the biggest variable in individual units. Not knowing what the unit is trying to initialize after the banner and before the operational display comes up, I can't suggest what other component might be contributing to the issue.
I say replace the memory. I am running a Kingston 8 gig card with no issues what so ever.
Chris
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Mine is fine with 1.05 and a class 6 A-Data 16gb card. 2 shows so far on 1.05, one steath (show and opener) and 1 stand (2 sets)
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So today I got a new recorder... The Edirol R-09HR and the HEB DPA 4060s! [I sold my kart and bought a used car and had some money to spare ;)]
Just kinda fiddling with it today and have a show on the 3rd. Just from your personal experience (for the people who have them) what do you put on the settings on the back? For sure mic gain is low and plug-in power is off but what is the limiter and low cut buttons do? and to I want those off or on?
I am guessing I want to run my 4060s Line in. I am really interested to run 24/96 and see what type of results I get. Thanks for answering my questions.
oh yeah.. this thing is small!!! I put it next to my M1 and D8 and i could not believe how small it is! stealthing will be a lot easier!
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So today I got a new recorder... The Edirol R-09HR and the HEB DPA 4060s! [I sold my kart and bought a used car and had some money to spare ;)]
Just kinda fiddling with it today and have a show on the 3rd. Just from your personal experience (for the people who have them) what do you put on the settings on the back? For sure mic gain is low and plug-in power is off but what is the limiter and low cut buttons do? and to I want those off or on?
I am guessing I want to run my 4060s Line in. I am really interested to run 24/96 and see what type of results I get. Thanks for answering my questions.
oh yeah.. this thing is small!!! I put it next to my M1 and D8 and i could not believe how small it is! stealthing will be a lot easier!
Please don't take this as a smart ass answer - but answers to all of your questions are covered in detail in this thread. If you haven't already done so, I recommend starting with part 1 (you can skip ahead to the point in the thread where people actually have received and started using their 09HR) and read all the way through to the end of part 3. After doing so - you'll be glad you took the time to do it.
Part 1: http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100541.0.html
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So today I got a new recorder... The Edirol R-09HR and the HEB DPA 4060s! [I sold my kart and bought a used car and had some money to spare ;)]
Just kinda fiddling with it today and have a show on the 3rd. Just from your personal experience (for the people who have them) what do you put on the settings on the back? For sure mic gain is low and plug-in power is off but what is the limiter and low cut buttons do? and to I want those off or on?
I am guessing I want to run my 4060s Line in. I am really interested to run 24/96 and see what type of results I get. Thanks for answering my questions.
oh yeah.. this thing is small!!! I put it next to my M1 and D8 and i could not believe how small it is! stealthing will be a lot easier!
Please don't take this as a smart ass answer - but answers to all of your questions are covered in detail in this thread. If you haven't already done so, I recommend starting with part 1 (you can skip ahead to the point in the thread where people actually have received and started using their 09HR) and read all the way through to the end of part 3. After doing so - you'll be glad you took the time to do it.
Part 1: http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100541.0.html
just kinda lazy and didn't want to read almost 70 pages of posts.
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just kinda lazy and didn't want to read almost 70 pages of posts.
Thats the best way to learn, and the rest of us have all done it
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just kinda lazy and didn't want to read almost 70 pages of posts.
Thats the best way to learn, and the rest of us have all done it
A lot of the posts don't really offer much in the way of learning about the 09HR, but some of them are really informative. Just skim through them and read the parts that you really need to know. It'll be time well spent - I've been able to pull half-way decent recordings from the first time out, and I credit that to having read through this thread.
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So today I got a new recorder... The Edirol R-09HR and the HEB DPA 4060s! [I sold my kart and bought a used car and had some money to spare ;)]
Just kinda fiddling with it today and have a show on the 3rd. Just from your personal experience (for the people who have them) what do you put on the settings on the back? For sure mic gain is low and plug-in power is off but what is the limiter and low cut buttons do? and to I want those off or on?
I am guessing I want to run my 4060s Line in. I am really interested to run 24/96 and see what type of results I get. Thanks for answering my questions.
oh yeah.. this thing is small!!! I put it next to my M1 and D8 and i could not believe how small it is! stealthing will be a lot easier!
In response to your questions. Mic gain switch does not affect line in. Use line in only if performance is loud. Do not use limiter. Set gain to average -12db. In 24 bit gain need not be set high. Only use low cut
filter if performance has an extraordinary amount of bass or there is a lot of air conditioning noise in the room. Always run in 24 bit. High sample rate is less important unless recording something pristine like classical guitar or string quartet. Good luck. You have a very nice portable rig.
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I just thought I would let everyone know I am going to do a few tests on the HR vs the old R09 for noise and distortion.. I figured it might come in handy for everyone to know what the real differences are. I will post them here, I love my HR I will NEVER EVER sell it. I usually just buy recorders and use them for a little while for testing. Then sell them.. I have had several but I am keeping this one.
Chris
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I just thought I would let everyone know I am going to do a few tests on the HR vs the old R09 for noise and distortion.. I figured it might come in handy for everyone to know what the real differences are. I will post them here, I love my HR I will NEVER EVER sell it. I usually just buy recorders and use them for a little while for testing. Then sell them.. I have had several but I am keeping this one.
Chris
Excellent! Also, please try to dispel the myth as to what level is actually "unity gain" for line-in. Thanks in advance for the testing!
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just kinda lazy and didn't want to read almost 70 pages of posts.
Thats the best way to learn, and the rest of us have all done it
A lot of the posts don't really offer much in the way of learning about the 09HR, but some of them are really informative. Just skim through them and read the parts that you really need to know. It'll be time well spent - I've been able to pull half-way decent recordings from the first time out, and I credit that to having read through this thread.
yeah a lot of the posts were "when is this thing coming to the states" lol! But there were some informative posts...
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Many thanks to all who have shared their experience and knowledge with this forum. I have been looking for a standalone recorder to catch jam sessions and practices. I have read this thread from beginning to end tonight, and feel confident that I will be able to use the R09hr for everything I need. I look forward to getting this recorder in the next days, and learning to make it fit my life!
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I just thought I would let everyone know I am going to do a few tests on the HR vs the old R09 for noise and distortion.. I figured it might come in handy for everyone to know what the real differences are. I will post them here, I love my HR I will NEVER EVER sell it. I usually just buy recorders and use them for a little while for testing. Then sell them.. I have had several but I am keeping this one.
Chris
That's quite an endorsement Chris. Could you go into a little detail on what it is that you like about the HR compared to the others you've had?
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Many thanks to all who have shared their experience and knowledge with this forum. I have been looking for a standalone recorder to catch jam sessions and practices. I have read this thread from beginning to end tonight, and feel confident that I will be able to use the R09hr for everything I need. I look forward to getting this recorder in the next days, and learning to make it fit my life!
Great move.
You're 100% right. I've been following all the threads about the R-09HR and it's competition. If you consider the pros and cons and the "Ifs" and "Buts"
regarding the competition ( sound/size/storage/user friendily aspect etc, etc, etc), you'll conclude that the R-09HR is the best choice.
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I know some people were putting electric tape over the buttons on the back so they could find the hold button while the R09 is in your pocket. I went to home depot today and got some velcro and put the softer part of the velcro onto the R09 (pictured). I like it.
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb112/RyanJonik/DSCN0003.jpg)
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Just got my R-9HR today. First off, I can believe how small this thing it. I've been using a JB3 for the last few years. I can't wait to take this little baby out. How long does a set of AA last recording 24/48 no plug in power. Off to buy a momory card.
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Thanks,
Mako
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I know some people were putting electric tape over the buttons on the back so they could find the hold button while the R09 is in your pocket. I went to home depot today and got some velcro and put the softer part of the velcro onto the R09 (pictured). I like it.
I use gaffer's tape to cover the buttons on the back - electrical tape will leave a sticky residue. Everyone needs gaffer's tape at some point in time.
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Great move.
You're 100% right. I've been following all the threads about the R-09HR and it's competition. If you consider the pros and cons and the "Ifs" and "Buts"
regarding the competition ( sound/size/storage/user friendily aspect etc, etc, etc), you'll conclude that the R-09HR is the best choice.
This is a silly statement. Don't get me wrong: in my opinion, the R09HR is a nice recorder. But "best" is in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. Depends a lot on what sort of equipment someone wants to run with it and other individual considerations. For some people, digital inputs are a necessity. Others can't abide 3.5mm jacks. Or if you spend a lot of time in the mosh pit or other abusive settings, you might consider the solid build of the Sony...
I use gaffer's tape to cover the buttons on the back - electrical tape will leave a sticky residue. Everyone needs gaffer's tape at some point in time.
One of the best inventions ever...
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Just got my R-9HR today. First off, I can believe how small this thing it. I've been using a JB3 for the last few years. I can't wait to take this little baby out. How long does a set of AA last recording 24/48 no plug in power. Off to buy a momory card.
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Thanks,
Mako
I think I remember reading in the threads that you could do almost 8 hours continuously. Someone did a test of it.
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Great move.
You're 100% right. I've been following all the threads about the R-09HR and it's competition. If you consider the pros and cons and the "Ifs" and "Buts"
regarding the competition ( sound/size/storage/user friendily aspect etc, etc, etc), you'll conclude that the R-09HR is the best choice.
This is a silly statement. Don't get me wrong: in my opinion, the R09HR is a nice recorder. But "best" is in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. Depends a lot on what sort of equipment someone wants to run with it and other individual considerations. For some people, digital inputs are a necessity. Others can't abide 3.5mm jacks. Or if you spend a lot of time in the mosh pit or other abusive settings, you might consider the solid build of the Sony...
::) ::) Well, that's your opinion and I would never say that it's a silly statement. It's just your opinion and I respect that.
BTW, you have just said exactly what I said: best is in the eye of the beholder. In my opinion, the R-09HR is the best recorder considering all the points involved (digital inputs, 3.5mm jacks etc).
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I agree with everything written here. 24 bit, -12 level, no low cut, etc. Shows I have recorded either via the line in, external mics or the internal mics have been impressive. I really don't mind the mini-jack input although I am aware its analog. Batteries (Duracells regulars or Ultras) went over 5 hours with no problem. I can't tell you how long they last because I throw them in a re-cycle bin at work after I am done with them. All I can say is after 5 hours, I still have 2 bars left. But I don't think that means they are half good. I rarely attend a show that exceeds 5 hours anyway. In general, I am happy with this deck. And not having to buy DAT tapes anymore is a BIG plus.
I did have trouble finding that HOLD button in the back once. I'm going to put gaffer's tape on it now because it is really hard to find it in the dark. Good idea!
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I use gaffer's tape to cover the buttons on the back - electrical tape will leave a sticky residue. Everyone needs gaffer's tape at some point in time.
One of the best inventions ever...
qft
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I'm thinking about picking up a couple of the following cards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208293
Any opinions?
Thanks,
Mako
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I did have trouble finding that HOLD button in the back once. I'm going to put gaffer's tape on it now because it is really hard to find it in the dark. Good idea!
I use gaffer's tape to cover all of the buttons EXCEPT the HOLD button. That makes the HOLD button a breeze to find...
;)
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I'm thinking about picking up a couple of the following cards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208293
I have used other Transcend with no issue, as well as A-Data and Sandisk, all class 4 or 6 cards
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I'm thinking about picking up a couple of the following cards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208293
I have used other Transcend with no issue, as well as A-Data and Sandisk, all class 4 or 6 cards
Thanks for the reply. I ordered it yesterday. I'll hopefully have it be the weekend....
Mako
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I just opended the box, and there doesn't appear to be anything missing, but the square cavity in the foam packaging insert was empty, which seemed strange. Is anything suppose to be in the square cavity?
Thanks.
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I just opended the box, and there doesn't appear to be anything missing, but the square cavity in the foam packaging insert was empty, which seemed strange. Is anything suppose to be in the square cavity?
Thanks.
Did you get the
1. Remote control
2. Stand (plastic s shaped thing)
3. R09HR :)
digifish
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Yes.
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I just got a mail from a shop in Norway that Edirol will increase the suggested price of Edirol R-09hr starting
January 1st 2009 from todays 3390NOK (~482USD, ~€344) to 3628NOK (~515USD, ~€368). I wonder
if they'll do that all over Europe or just Norway.
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FYI posted a 39 minute ~55 meg recording sample of David Lindley during a recent benefit concert in Sonoma California.
Done with R-09HR MOD-4 (24bit/44.1K>VBR MP3) with (recently refurbished 16+ year old!) DSM headworn mic plugged directly into the HR's mic input set on LOW sensitivity.
Excellent PA'd sound and solo performance by guitar wizard Lindley, but chatty crowd motivating the recordist to walk much closer to the stage during the first set recording in true stxxlth mode fashion.
For hearing what a simple MIC+R-09HR (MOD-4) two piece rig sounds like at an open-air concert download this file:
74.208.10.48/mp3/092808- David Lindley- Sonoma Plaza.mp3 (http://74.208.10.48/mp3/092808- David Lindley- Sonoma Plaza.mp3)
TS thread discussing the HR MOD-4 at: http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,109703.0/all.html (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,109703.0/all.html)
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Tried the v1.05 firmware update last night. Everything seemed okay until I tried a 30+ minute record test at 24/96. When I hit the stop button it locked up like fort knox. Had to yank a battery to get it turned off. Immediately went back to v1.04 until Edirol get's the bugs worked out. No way I want to risk losing anything in the field. C'mon Roland get things together! Has anyone reported this to them and gotten any response?
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Tried the v1.05 firmware update last night. Everything seemed okay until I tried a 30+ minute record test at 24/96. When I hit the stop button it locked up like fort knox. Had to yank a battery to get it turned off. Immediately went back to v1.04 until Edirol get's the bugs worked out. No way I want to risk losing anything in the field. C'mon Roland get things together! Has anyone reported this to them and gotten any response?
I'm definitely NOT making the move to v1.05 firmware until it is fixed. I'm sure that there have been numerous submissions to Roland about the problems, but have any of you actually received a response from them?
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Something weird happened to me today. I went to record something on the radio and the 9HR froze up solid in record mode. Had to take out a battery to unlock it. When I powered it back on, I noticed it said "No card" and also "Loading....". After 10 mins of this news, I gave up and patched in my D8. Glad I never sold it. Then, I put another card into 9HR and all was fine. So I deleted the contents of that bad card via PC reader and then formatted the empty SD card on the deck. All is well now with the 9HR and same card.
I've learned a valuable lesson here (and yes, I'm on 1.04). From now on, I will always travel with an extra card when taping a show. I sometimes don't do that, esp in stealth mode. The card was used many times and formatted many times from Sept til now. Somehow it crapped out and if this had happened at a show, I would be stuck without a good card to record to.
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Tried the v1.05 firmware update last night. Everything seemed okay until I tried a 30+ minute record test at 24/96. When I hit the stop button it locked up like fort knox. Had to yank a battery to get it turned off. Immediately went back to v1.04 until Edirol get's the bugs worked out. No way I want to risk losing anything in the field. C'mon Roland get things together! Has anyone reported this to them and gotten any response?
I have. No response so far. :P
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Tried the v1.05 firmware update last night. Everything seemed okay until I tried a 30+ minute record test at 24/96. When I hit the stop button it locked up like fort knox. Had to yank a battery to get it turned off. Immediately went back to v1.04 until Edirol get's the bugs worked out. No way I want to risk losing anything in the field. C'mon Roland get things together! Has anyone reported this to them and gotten any response?
I have. No response so far. :P
Sometimes problems like this have more to do with the make/model/production series of the flash card being used than the deck/firmware version (as far as the manufacturer is concerned).
As some of us have learned the hard way, even card models reported to work without issues can get (often controller IC) changes in later production runs affecting a deck's ability to function reliably, or at certain (usually higher) recording sampling rates.
Make sure batteries were not low, note firmware version, also telling recording mode and which flash card/serial number or when purchased was used when reporting this kind of problem.
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Tried the v1.05 firmware update last night. Everything seemed okay until I tried a 30+ minute record test at 24/96. When I hit the stop button it locked up like fort knox. Had to yank a battery to get it turned off. Immediately went back to v1.04 until Edirol get's the bugs worked out. No way I want to risk losing anything in the field. C'mon Roland get things together! Has anyone reported this to them and gotten any response?
I have. No response so far. :P
Sometimes problems like this have more to do with the make/model/production series of the flash card being used than the deck/firmware version (as far as the manufacturer is concerned).
As some of us have learned the hard way, even card models reported to work without issues can get (often controller IC) changes in later production runs affecting a deck's ability to function reliably, or at certain (usually higher) recording sampling rates.
Make sure batteries were not low, note firmware version, also telling recording mode and which flash card/serial number or when purchased was used when reporting this kind of problem.
What's interesting is that this firmware version 1.05 is supposed to resolve memory card compatibility issues and another minor noise issue. Just a note, I've used numerous brands and sizes of SDHC cards in my 09HR and never had any issues with recording on them. Until I moved up to v1.05 that is. Sticking with v1.04 until they get it right...
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been running 1.05 since it came out with no issues
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been running 1.05 since it came out with no issues
It appears that you are one of the lucky few so far...
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been running 1.05 since it came out with no issues
It appears that you are one of the lucky few so far...
I am a lucky few too. I am using Sandisk Ultra II 8 Gb cards.
digifish
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I have used A-Data 16gb class6 and Sandisk 8gb class4
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I have used A-Data 16gb class6 and Sandisk 8gb class4
I had that exact card (A-Data 16gb class6) in my machine when it locked up. Also have a Sandisk 8gb class 4 and several Toshiba 8gb class 4's. Just don't feel like I want to risk losing a show in the field. All current cards I own work fine with v1.04. But, I'm glad to some folks are benefitting from v1.05. I'm sure Roland will address it or v1.06 will be more stable...
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Might as well face the truth and stop the whining in realizing NOT all cards conforming to industry standards implement the standard protocol in exactly the same manner with some memory card models/production runs not working reliably in all applications.
We know that deck manufacturers often list tested cards as OK for use in their machines for this reason. The cards they recommend should work OK, and sometimes even these cards get production changes making them not work reliably as predicted.
If we find multiple instances of a certain flash model not proving reliable at some point with new firmware, best NOT to continue using this card, tell the deck manufacturer, and wait for firmware fix before testing again.
It is not possible for any manufacturer to continually test/retest all models/newer production runs of flash memory, so it's up to us to find cards not working communicating the problem so another firmware correction is possible.
We can assume with each firmware update addressing specific models of flashcard compatibility involves the retesting all available flash models at hand to see if still working as before the upgrade, but important to realize not every card made, and not the latest production runs of all cards get firmware upgrade tested.
This means new firmware upgrades solving issues with more models of flash cards, may also make untested card models/recent production runs of previous user found OK models incompatible if these specific cards were not at hand for manufacturer's testing during each firmware upgrade.
Suggest testing all the cards you intend to use before committing for important purposes, and retesting with each firmware upgrade.
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The other often overlooked fact is that unfortunately there are many MANY fake cards out there now that say Sony Or Sandisk that are not. I just got ripped off I purchased a 8 gig card for my psp and it was a fake... To my surprise the card worked in my computer but not in my psp.
In the end I should have known $14.00 rarely gets you a real 8 gig card.
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The other often overlooked fact is that unfortunately there are many MANY fake cards out there now that say Sony Or Sandisk that are not. I just got ripped off I purchased a 8 gig card for my psp and it was a fake... To my surprise the card worked in my computer but not in my psp.
In the end I should have known $14.00 rarely gets you a real 8 gig card.
Any flash media or battery (videocam, computer, etc.) you see on eBay listed by a seller based in Hong Kong is probably a fake - and the easiest way to tell (in my opinion) is by the price. If the price is only a third of what most reputable online sellers in the US are charging - don't waste your money.
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The other often overlooked fact is that unfortunately there are many MANY fake cards out there now that say Sony Or Sandisk that are not. I just got ripped off I purchased a 8 gig card for my psp and it was a fake... To my surprise the card worked in my computer but not in my psp.
In the end I should have known $14.00 rarely gets you a real 8 gig card.
Any flash media or battery (videocam, computer, etc.) you see on eBay listed by a seller based in Hong Kong is probably a fake - and the easiest way to tell (in my opinion) is by the price. If the price is only a third of what most reputable online sellers in the US are charging - don't waste your money.
Good thing to remember when buying cards for our decks or cameras. I learned the "Hong Kong" lesson long ago when buying spare batteries for my Sony MZ-M100, total crap!! I won't even buy batteries or memory cards from Japan any longer.
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For those who have a BJ's near by, PNY 8gb for $20.
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I just got a mail from a shop in Norway that Edirol will increase the suggested price of Edirol R-09hr starting
January 1st 2009 from todays 3390NOK (~482USD, ~€344) to 3628NOK (~515USD, ~€368). I wonder
if they'll do that all over Europe or just Norway.
The opposite is true here. I payed 348 EUR for my R-09HR in October. Now the same seller lists it for 298 EUR. Needless to say I'm pissed!
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The 16gb Kingston Class 4 card works great here. I picked it up for $30 at Fry's Electronics last week. Now it's 39.99 with free shipping. Although keep checking the ad because they do run sales often.
http://shop1.frys.com/product/5774072?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
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^^
I have 2 of these, good cards.
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For those who have a BJ's near by, PNY 8gb for $20.
I dont yet have a bj but I am hoping to get one soon :P
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I dont yet have a bj but I am hoping to get one soon :P
hummmmm.... all the things I could say here
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I dont yet have a bj but I am hoping to get one soon :P
hummmmm.... all the things I could say here
Call me crazy but what is a "bJ" anyway? I had to make that awful joke I felt somehow compelled :)
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I dont yet have a bj but I am hoping to get one soon :P
hummmmm.... all the things I could say here
Call me crazy but what is a "bJ" anyway? I had to make that awful joke I felt somehow compelled :)
bj = blow job
:whipped: :wink2::whipped:
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I dont yet have a bj but I am hoping to get one soon :P
hummmmm.... all the things I could say here
Call me crazy but what is a "bJ" anyway? I had to make that awful joke I felt somehow compelled :)
bj = blow job
:whipped: :wink2::whipped:
For those who have a BJ's near by, PNY 8gb for $20.
No what is a "Bj" as in what Intp is talking about :) Dam I know what a real Bj is I am pretty sure....
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hummmmm.... all the things I could say here
No what is a "Bj" as in what Intp is talking about :) Dam I know what a real Bj is I am pretty sure....
:yack:
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lmao... :laugh:
it's a whole-sale club; a store that sells things in large quantities at a low unit price.
http://www.bjs.com/
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it's a ... club; ... that things in large quantities at a low ... price.
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whose got the cheapest r9hr in the usa now? plus i bought 2 8gb standard sandisk sdhc for $15 each at office depot during their thxgiving sale and they worked in my standard r9. thx.
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Depends... if you want to have a questionable warranty, ebay... as if it unit needs warranty work, they want a real receipt
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I just got this unit. Is the Remote as useless as it seems? It seems to me that the Remote has to be within close visual range of the front of the mikes to work. So it has no use in stealth recordings it seems. Yes?
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So it has no use in stealth recordings it seems. Yes?
Even more so because the remote won't work if the Hold switch is enabled.
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Hi All, n00b here so please forgive me but I've looked through a 1,000 pages trying to find a definitive guide to setting up using external mics/ Line in.
Just picked up my R-09HR and am using a BB and mics(custom)
The venue is a small 200 people capacity, no great sound system
I'm setting up as follows;
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
Input level 60
Does the sound Volume need to be turned down during recording or is this irrelevant?
Sorry to be such a pain but is there anything else that I should be thinking about??
David.
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Hi All, n00b here so please forgive me but I've looked through a 1,000 pages trying to find a definitive guide to setting up using external mics/ Line in.
Just picked up my R-09HR and am using a BB and mics(custom)
The venue is a small 200 people capacity, no great sound system
I'm setting up as follows;
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
Input level 60
Does the sound Volume need to be turned down during recording or is this irrelevant?
Sorry to be such a pain but is there anything else that I should be thinking about??
David.
What kind of music are you recording? Will the mics be on a stand? You will undoubtedly have to adjust the gain once you are able to check the sound level.
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Hi All, n00b here so please forgive me but I've looked through a 1,000 pages trying to find a definitive guide to setting up using external mics/ Line in.
Just picked up my R-09HR and am using a BB and mics(custom)
The venue is a small 200 people capacity, no great sound system
I'm setting up as follows;
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
Input level 60
Does the sound Volume need to be turned down during recording or is this irrelevant?
Sorry to be such a pain but is there anything else that I should be thinking about??
David.
What kind of music are you recording? Will the mics be on a stand? You will undoubtedly have to adjust the gain once you are able to check the sound level.
Music is Indie with Guitar/drums/bass, mics will be attached to my glasses but this is what I don't understand "Gain" are you talking about the input level, I've looked through the manual and I can't find mention of gain....Is this the recording level?
I've decided to go with my Core Sounds stealthy Cards set with Batt Box not that it should make any difference.
Gain....please lets make today....help an idiot day!!!
In advance
David
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Hi All, n00b here so please forgive me but I've looked through a 1,000 pages trying to find a definitive guide to setting up using external mics/ Line in.
Just picked up my R-09HR and am using a BB and mics(custom)
The venue is a small 200 people capacity, no great sound system
I'm setting up as follows;
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
Input level 60
Does the sound Volume need to be turned down during recording or is this irrelevant?
Sorry to be such a pain but is there anything else that I should be thinking about??
David.
There's not that many pages to read. :)
If you're using line in, I don't think any of those settings make a difference at all.
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Hi All, n00b here so please forgive me but I've looked through a 1,000 pages trying to find a definitive guide to setting up using external mics/ Line in.
Just picked up my R-09HR and am using a BB and mics(custom)
The venue is a small 200 people capacity, no great sound system
I'm setting up as follows;
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW
Input level 60
Does the sound Volume need to be turned down during recording or is this irrelevant?
Sorry to be such a pain but is there anything else that I should be thinking about??
David.
There's not that many pages to read. :)
If you're using line in, I don't think any of those settings make a difference at all.
Actually, they do ;).
The only setting that doesn't make any difference (running Line In, of course) is the Mic Gain.
Whiskybob, leave the AGC and Low Cut on Off if you are to tape live music.
About the Input Level, of course you can guess when your quite familiar with/venue/sound/band. but you'll have to fine tune it right there when the music starts. If you decide to tape using 24 bit resolution,there's no need to tape hot at all. Peaks around -12db are fine. You can always raise levels on post.
Take care and have fun
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Gutted Gutted Gutted...
Recorded last night, was right by the stage, levels set but the recording seems very muddy/bassy.
I was using coresounds Stealthy cardioid mics and BB, I used them with my MD player and found the same problem.
Although this is slightly off topic can anyone using the same set up confirm/deny the same problem or offer alternative mics to use with the Edirol, these are the third set of mics that I've used in my life and the least effective, the sound sounds almost as if it's got my coat thrown over the top of the mics.
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Gutted Gutted Gutted...
Recorded last night, was right by the stage, levels set but the recording seems very muddy/bassy.
I was using coresounds Stealthy cardioid mics and BB, I used them with my MD player and found the same problem.
Although this is slightly off topic can anyone using the same set up confirm/deny the same problem or offer alternative mics to use with the Edirol, these are the third set of mics that I've used in my life and the least effective, the sound sounds almost as if it's got my coat thrown over the top of the mics.
Hi,
I don't know if I can help you, but were your mics pointed straight to the sound source?
Are you using fresh batteries on your BB?
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The 9v battery has only been used maybe 4/5 times and I always disconnect the mics from the BB after use.
With regard to the position, my knees were up against the stage so I think I was probably getting as much from the on stage monitors as from the speakers. The last time I used them was for Shellac and that was the same result and the mics were pointing directly at the stack although in fairness I did have a wall behind me.
I know this will sound strange but I bought a MD recorder some years ago and also some hand made mics and a BB that only cost me £40 and the results are better than with the Edirol + CS and the proof is that last night I used both recorders in the same position/same gig/fresh batteries etc. I can only assume that it was my positioning.
The problem is that I now have little or no faith in the CS mics which may not be doing them justice. Maybe I need to look at some of the Church Audio Mics/BB.....
Thanks for all your help, BTW how easy is the EDirol to set up...Fantastic.
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The 9v battery has only been used maybe 4/5 times and I always disconnect the mics from the BB after use.
With regard to the position, my knees were up against the stage so I think I was probably getting as much from the on stage monitors as from the speakers. The last time I used them was for Shellac and that was the same result and the mics were pointing directly at the stack although in fairness I did have a wall behind me.
I know this will sound strange but I bought a MD recorder some years ago and also some hand made mics and a BB that only cost me £40 and the results are better than with the Edirol + CS and the proof is that last night I used both recorders in the same position/same gig/fresh batteries etc. I can only assume that it was my positioning.
The problem is that I now have little or no faith in the CS mics which may not be doing them justice. Maybe I need to look at some of the Church Audio Mics/BB.....
Thanks for all your help, BTW how easy is the EDirol to set up...Fantastic.
Well, a new pair of good mics is always the best move.
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The 9v battery has only been used maybe 4/5 times and I always disconnect the mics from the BB after use.
With regard to the position, my knees were up against the stage so I think I was probably getting as much from the on stage monitors as from the speakers. The last time I used them was for Shellac and that was the same result and the mics were pointing directly at the stack although in fairness I did have a wall behind me.
I know this will sound strange but I bought a MD recorder some years ago and also some hand made mics and a BB that only cost me £40 and the results are better than with the Edirol + CS and the proof is that last night I used both recorders in the same position/same gig/fresh batteries etc. I can only assume that it was my positioning.
The problem is that I now have little or no faith in the CS mics which may not be doing them justice. Maybe I need to look at some of the Church Audio Mics/BB.....
Thanks for all your help, BTW how easy is the EDirol to set up...Fantastic.
Hi!
I've been using Core Sound cardioids for a long time, and I have not had your problems. However, when I used them for the first time with the R09, I did not get good results, and I started using an external preamp and the line in on the r09, and now my recordings turn out better than ever... I would guess you could have the same problem with the R09hr.
Normally, most people complain that the CSCs are too trebly, not bassy, so that is a bit strange...
-c
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Whiskybob, my best guess is that when you're that close to the stage you'd be better of using omni's instead of cardiods. The mics should point at the soundstacks which is a pain when you're close to the stage.
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Whiskybob, my best guess is that when you're that close to the stage you'd be better of using omni's instead of cardiods. The mics should point at the soundstacks which is a pain when you're close to the stage.
O.K Thanks for all the help/advice.
Can anyone recommend some quality omni's to go with the Edirol R-09HR? and I assume that you still use a Battery Box when going Line in.
I really only go to see small bands in small venues and am often very close to the stage.
Regards David.
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Whiskybob, my best guess is that when you're that close to the stage you'd be better of using omni's instead of cardiods. The mics should point at the soundstacks which is a pain when you're close to the stage.
O.K Thanks for all the help/advice.
Can anyone recommend some quality omni's to go with the Edirol R-09HR? and I assume that you still use a Battery Box when going Line in.
I really only go to see small bands in small venues and am often very close to the stage.
Regards David.
I love my Microphone Madness' HLSO Micro omni ( Sennheiser MKE-2 capsules).
It's really, really, really small, trust me, and sounds awesome.
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Let's talk loooong record time -- 10+ hours unattended.
First, the flash card. At a bit rate of 24/48, one hour of stereo recording
fills about 1GB of storage space. So using a 16GB card, 10 hours of
recording will fit OK.
Second, the file size. The R-09HR can be set to start a new file and
keep recording when the file size gets to 1GB. So each file will hold
about an hour of material. Anyone have problems with the rollover
to a new file?
Third, battery run time. Maybe this is the biggest obstacle to running
unattended for 10 hours or longer.
Looking through the posts in this thread, I see that people report
-- 4 to 5 hours of battery life using alkaline AAs,
-- maybe 7 hours using 2700 mAh rechargables, and
-- Lithium AAs might last 9 hours (anyone actually using these?)
That's not enough juice, so an external battery will be necessary.
The AC adapter provided with the R-09HR provides 3V DC to the
recorder. It's not easy finding an external battery that provides only
3V, but here's one option:
http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2741
Most gear has the hot lead on the center of the power connector,
but Edirol sometimes puts the cold/ground in the center. Can someone
tell me how the R-09HR is wired?
Will the R-09HR work if connected to a power source that provides more
than 3V? A third party external battery that provides 5V DC is easier to
find, and less expensive.
Can you power the R-09HR via the USB port?
Lots of questions about external power. What solutions have you tried?
Thanks!
Flintstone
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Let's talk loooong record time -- 10+ hours unattended.
Third, battery run time. Maybe this is the biggest obstacle to running
unattended for 10 hours or longer.
Looking through the posts in this thread, I see that people report
-- 4 to 5 hours of battery life using alkaline AAs,
-- maybe 7 hours using 2700 mAh rechargables, and
-- Lithium AAs might last 9 hours (anyone actually using these?)
I happened to be testing battery life today by chance, and got almost exactly 9 hours of recording at 24/44.1 using 2700mAh Sanyo rechargeables and with the screen on the whole time (I never turn it off). Seems like with some nice 2900mAh you could reach your 10 hours goal. Curious what situations you need 10+ hours of continuous recording time?
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It's not the "continuous," it's the "unattended" nature of the recording. I need a setup that can be set up and left unattended. Thanks for the data point about the 2700 mAh rechargables.
Has anyone used the R-09HR with external battery?
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I went to a show a few nights ago, and without giving it much thought (big mistake), I decided to give 24bit recording a shot. I left the sample rate at 44.1KHz and switched the recording mode over to WAV-24bit.
I changed batteries (in the Edirol and in my mic's battery box) before going to the show, got everything plugged in and tapped the mics and got a good response. Got to the show, plugged everything in again, checked the mics - still got a good response.
Result: couple of big files with zero audio in them. Nothing but a big flat line when I dropped them into an audio editor.
It wasn't a show I cared about a great deal, so that doesn't bother me so much. But I'd still be very curious what I might have done wrong.
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If I didn't know better, sounds to me like you had NO AUDIO input to the deck maybe because of not having enough gain and/or wrong input.
What did your deck's VU indications look like while recording?
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What did your deck's VU indications look like while recording?
When I said I checked the mics, I meant that I tapped on the end of them and spoke into them and the levels bounced right out nicely. So I felt quite confident that audio was getting to them.
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What did your deck's VU indications look like while recording?
I meant that I tapped on the end of them and spoke into them and the levels bounced right out nicely. So I felt quite confident that audio was getting to them.
I meant did you notice the VU indications AT THE VENUE that produced NO AUDIO files.
Sounds to me like you did not, and not noticed you maybe had plugged your home tested mic into the headphones jack (a user mistake) without looking at the (lack of VU) venue recording levels!?!
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What did your deck's VU indications look like while recording?
I meant that I tapped on the end of them and spoke into them and the levels bounced right out nicely. So I felt quite confident that audio was getting to them.
I meant did you notice the VU indications AT THE VENUE that produced NO AUDIO files.
Sounds to me like you did not, and not noticed you maybe had plugged your home tested mic into the headphones jack (a user mistake) without looking at the (lack of VU) venue recording levels!?!
C'mon bro - the headphone jack in on top of the Edirol - the line-in and mic jacks are on the side. I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box - but I at least got that one right :-)
All joking aside - yes I did the same check at the venue. Tapped the mics, etc. Everything looked fine. I did it in an out of the way spot in the hallway while waiting for my wife who was in the bathroom. I started it up (recording) and left it running as I stowed it in my coat pocket.
Of course, it's possible it came loose from the jack. But I remember disconnecting it after the show and it seemed like it was firmly inserted when I unplugged it.
Edited to include an important word!
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Of course, it's possible it came loose from the jack. But I remember disconnecting it after the show and it seemed like it was firmly inserted when I unplugged it.
I've had that happen using 1/8" stereo patch cables. I now run the cable through the recorder cover at the recorder side and gaff tape the connector to the preamp at the preamp side.
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What did your deck's VU indications look like while recording?
I meant that I tapped on the end of them and spoke into them and the levels bounced right out nicely. So I felt quite confident that audio was getting to them.
I meant did you notice the VU indications AT THE VENUE that produced NO AUDIO files.
Sounds to me like you did not, and not noticed you maybe had plugged your home tested mic into the headphones jack (a user mistake) without looking at the (lack of VU) venue recording levels!?!
C'mon bro - the headphone jack in on top of the Edirol - the line-in and mic jacks are on the side. I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box - but I at least got that one right :-)
All joking aside - yes I did the same check at the venue. Tapped the mics, etc. Everything looked fine. I did it in an out of the way spot in the hallway while waiting for my wife who was in the bathroom. I started it up (recording) and left it running as I stowed it in my coat pocket.
Of course, it's possible it came loose from the jack. But I remember disconnecting it after the show and it seemed like it was firmly inserted when I unplugged it.
OK, maybe the recorded files (the short and long ones) still play in the deck, but something is keeping transferred files from playback in your editor?
Try playing the long files in the deck (if still on the flash card) and if they play, maybe something about your file transfer and/or audio file editor is having troubles? Sometimes files have missing information in the header still allowing the deck to play, but transferred files do not.
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Here is a sample from a recording i done using the R-09hr own mic set up (Waiting on my new church audios so had to run with the internal mics) at a gig last night in Liverppol.
The band is The Twang and this is one of there new tracks yet to be released.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/55669056d676c0fa/
That sample has be ripped from the wav into a 320kbps mp3.
To my ears it dont sound too bad,The venue holds around 500 and it was very loud bass wise.
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Just got one today! Woohoo....my wife is awesome.
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I just gave mine a thorough run through live without outboard mikes. If you guys have access to The Dime, do a search for Steve Tyrell, and down load that show. I won't give the taping an "A" but inboard mikes make it a solid "B" showing.
Meanwhile due to equipment problems, my DPAs are gathering dust. Hopefully by this week, I'll have that problem taken care of.
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Got mine on Wedensday and been to 2 shows already! No problems so far and it's somewhat re-energized my attitude a bit. I can see myself taking this to a few unfriendly venues I would otherwise not bother with the DAT.
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After a couple of months, last night I decided to give the 1.05 firmware another try. When I instaled this version for the first time, everything went really wrong, with display freezing etc. Same thing happened to other folks.
This time I'm using a new SDHC, Kingston 16GB Class 4. At the beggining, I got the Slow Card message few times, that's why I decided to try the the new firmware.
So far, everything is fine, but there is something I found very strange. Every time I turn the unit on, no matter what sample rate I've selected using the Menu, the display shows "44.1". When I hit the Rec buttom, the selected sample rate ( 48, 88 or 96) appears. I wonder if this is how it used to work before the firmware upgrade.
Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. :coolguy:
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So far, everything is fine, but there is something I found very strange. Every time I turn the unit on, no matter what sample rate I've selected using the Menu, the display shows "44.1". When I hit the Rec buttom, the selected sample rate ( 48, 88 or 96) appears. I wonder if this is how it used to work before the firmware upgrade.
Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. :coolguy:
I use 1.05 but also 44.1 only so not sure, but I'll check it tonight after I get back from watching Watchmen. ;)
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So far, everything is fine, but there is something I found very strange. Every time I turn the unit on, no matter what sample rate I've selected using the Menu, the display shows "44.1". When I hit the Rec buttom, the selected sample rate ( 48, 88 or 96) appears. I wonder if this is how it used to work before the firmware upgrade.
Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. :coolguy:
I use 1.05 but also 44.1 only so not sure, but I'll check it tonight after I get back from watching Watchmen. ;)
Hey, thanks a lot. :coolguy:
Let me know.
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Help,please? ;)
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Help,please? ;)
Dede2002
I tested my R-09HR with different sampling rates, and I thought I had the same issue that you did. That is, when I changed from 44.1 to 96, it would only show 96 when I pressed 'record' but showed 44.1 before I pressed 'record.' What I realized is that my R-09HR was showing 44.1 because that is the sample rate of the file that is ready for playback (the file that will play if you hit 'play'). When I recorded a file at 96 then when I stop recording, it shows 96 now instead of 44.1 because now there is a file recorded at 96 and it is the one that will play if you hit 'play.' I can't explain it easily but that is the issue that I was having, which really isn't an issue. Are you sure this isn't the same issue that you're having? Basically, it seems the R-09HR displays the current file's sample rate while it is turned on but not on 'record/standby' and not the sample rate you have selected to record at, at least, not until you go into 'record/standby' or unless the current file was recorded at the new sampling rate that you changed to.
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I noticed this as well, threw me for a loop at first.
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Help,please? ;)
Dede2002
I tested my R-09HR with different sampling rates, and I thought I had the same issue that you did. That is, when I changed from 44.1 to 96, it would only show 96 when I pressed 'record' but showed 44.1 before I pressed 'record.' What I realized is that my R-09HR was showing 44.1 because that is the sample rate of the file that is ready for playback (the file that will play if you hit 'play'). When I recorded a file at 96 then when I stop recording, it shows 96 now instead of 44.1 because now there is a file recorded at 96 and it is the one that will play if you hit 'play.' I can't explain it easily but that is the issue that I was having, which really isn't an issue. Are you sure this isn't the same issue that you're having? Basically, it seems the R-09HR displays the current file's sample rate while it is turned on but not on 'record/standby' and not the sample rate you have selected to record at, at least, not until you go into 'record/standby' or unless the current file was recorded at the new sampling rate that you changed to.
Su6oxone,
You're 100% correct. After a few tests I detected the same thing.
Thanks very much for helping me out, man ;).
A personal +T to you. ;D
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I noticed this as well, threw me for a loop at first.
Thanks a lot, friend :coolguy:
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Do you think that firmware 1.05 is necessary over 1.04 (which I am running on my R09hr)? in other words, what is the improvement if I update?
thanks a lot
c
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Do you think that firmware 1.05 is necessary over 1.04 (which I am running on my R09hr)? in other words, what is the improvement if I update?
thanks a lot
c
I'll be very honest: I don't know ;D.
What I do know is that after upgrading, the "Slow Card" error message is gone.
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While switching channels on the TV tonight I came across some new unknown usage of R-09hr, googling and someone else also noticed this: http://www.minidiscforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=223702#p223702
Here's the text from that message translated from German to English with translate.google.com:
"In the TV series "Fringe" can be reached by R09HR gant toll also detect bugs:"
"Seen in Season 1, episode 13 - the whole thing was set up with a typical Metallsuchgerätsound accompanied, as it is known from the airport: weglach:: weglach:"
Follow the the link above for links to stills.
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I get terrible levels with 4061's/bb into a pcm-m1 line input, even at very loud shows. My church preamp takes care of that issue, but for low profile taping, 4061's>bb>R-09HR(mic input) would be nice...less knobs, less cables...
I recall hearing that it was almost impossible to overload an R-09's mic input, does the same hold true for the R-09HR?
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hey everyone, i'm about to grab one of these and was looking for sdhc cards. there seems to be a consensus that you can't go wrong with kingston, but can anyone tell me exactly what is different between these two:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134845
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134483
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No idea, but I know my kingston 8gb class 6 works fine in my R09hr
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No idea, but I know my kingston 8gb class 6 works fine in my R09hr
do you happen to know which one you have?
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this one, the one with out the KR in the model number: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134483
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i also use a 16gb a-data class 6 card with no issues, but i have found that a-data is not that great in other items like my digital camera
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just got this unit today. i think i'm going to try her out tonight at a jenny lewis show. we'll see how it goes.
p.s. for anyone in the market, sonic sense just gave me a pretty nice price on this unit. if you're interested PM me and i'll give you the info. i'm not sure if i should post it here or not.
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FYI, the big-daddy 32GB Kingstons work fine in the R-09. Guessing they would be fine in the HR too.
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I'm new to the R-09HR ranks. I was looking for a case that afforded some protection and found that these work just great.
http://www.caselogic.com/6_capacity_usb_drive_shuttle/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=66166
(http://www.eway.com/catalog/7/6007775_id.jpg)
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You can also try these.
http://www.edirol.net/products/en/OP-R09HR-P/
http://www.edirol.net/products/en/CB-R09S/
Take care ;)
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I use the silicone case (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/560472-REG/Edirol_Roland_OP_R09HR_S_OP_R09HR_S_Silicone_Case_for.html) for mine. It give a little extra protection and keeps the unit handhels and pocket-sized.
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I use the silicone case (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/560472-REG/Edirol_Roland_OP_R09HR_S_OP_R09HR_S_Silicone_Case_for.html) for mine. It give a little extra protection and keeps the unit handhels and pocket-sized.
I've tried this once. I don't use it anymore because IMHO it's a fur and dust magnet.
But it sure protects the unit.
Take care ;)
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I use the silicone case (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/560472-REG/Edirol_Roland_OP_R09HR_S_OP_R09HR_S_Silicone_Case_for.html) for mine. It give a little extra protection and keeps the unit handhels and pocket-sized.
I'v tried this once. I don't use it anymore because IMHO it's a fur and dust magnet.
But it sure protects the unit.
Take care ;)
LOL, it is a dust and fur magnetic.
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I use the silicone case (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/560472-REG/Edirol_Roland_OP_R09HR_S_OP_R09HR_S_Silicone_Case_for.html) for mine. It give a little extra protection and keeps the unit handhels and pocket-sized.
I'v tried this once. I don't use it anymore because IMHO it's a fur and dust magnet.
But it sure protects the unit.
Take care ;)
LOL, it is a dust and fur magnetic.
Isn't it? ;D Amazing.
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Isn't it? ;D Amazing.
Wiping with a damp cloth works wonders on silicone.
digifish
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I just ordered my R-09HR after oogeling it since before it came out =)
Anyone have any experience with this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171359) card? It's a 32GB SDHC by Sandisk, writes up to 15MB/s, which according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#Speeds), puts it safely in the Class 6, 100x rated.
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I just ordered my R-09HR after oogeling it since before it came out =)
Anyone have any experience with this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171359) card? It's a 32GB SDHC by Sandisk, writes up to 15MB/s, which according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#Speeds), puts it safely in the Class 6, 100x rated.
No but I use the 16 Gb versions of that card, it should work no problems. I have the 4, 8 & 16 Gb versions of the Ultra II and all have been flawless with the R09, R09HR and R44.
(http://www.happybirthdaytoyou.com/buymemorycards/16gbultra2sd2.jpg)
digifish
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Isn't it? ;D Amazing.
Wiping with a damp cloth works wonders on silicone.
digifish
It works. For 5 minutes. ;)
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Isn't it? ;D Amazing.
Wiping with a damp cloth works wonders on silicone.
digifish
It works. For 5 minutes. ;)
Yeah, but it is an easy clean. Dust comes straight off.
digifish
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Sorry to go back to the memory cards-- but I am now thinking that I might be better off buying two 16GB cards (just over 7 hours each card at 24-bit/96 kHz), and I might even be able to save a little loot. Plus, it's tougher to lose two cards than just one =).
Anyone have any opinions of PNY's cards? I'm looking at getting two of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178197
(down to $39.99 from the $119.99 listed on the PNY website!)
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Dunno about PNY, I have used a lot of Transcend cards (SDHC, microSDHC) and they have been rock solid for me with the R-09 and R-09HR.
A bit cheaper than the PNY at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-Flash-Memory-TS16GSDHC6/dp/B0015AOK1O/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1239942050&sr=8-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-Flash-Memory-TS16GSDHC6/dp/B0015AOK1O/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1239942050&sr=8-2)
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took some pictures:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,120457.0.html
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Might've been asked before, but here goes:
Anyone using Duracell Procell Alkaline batteries in their R-09HR?
Any comments on perforamance?
How long does a fresh batch usually last?
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I called Edirol and asked what kind of cards they're recommending... They say any brand name Class 2 is ideal. Problem is, I cant find any. Closest I have found is that Kingston (http://"http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134912") and Patriot (http://"http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220379") both make Class 2, 16GB microSDHC's. Is there any difference between the MicroSDHC and the full sized if I use an adapter?
Thank in advance.
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Yep, I'm aware that the Transcend 16GB cards are spotty. I got one of the early ones that didn't show problems and it's worked well for the past year, but it has recently started flashing 'slow card' occasionally when starting a new recording. I can stop and restart the recording and it runs fine as long as necessary after that and hasn't lost or corrupted a file, but I'm ready to retire it to other duties.
Why 32GB? I really love having all that space on one card. 16 GB on one un-split volume is so much nicer than two 8 GB cards, especially for festivals where it eliminates the 'wasted space' you end up with on multiple cards when there's not enough space to fit a whole set safely. Just eliminates most concerns about media space. Unless I'm maxed out, I don't use 4gb cards anymore. Always nice to have extra in case of unexpected recording opportunities. I bet you 96kHz guys would really like the extra space.
After 8 months of using the 16 GB Transcend I got the same error last night and I lost four songs. Time to use it for something else. Is the Kingston Class 6 still considered a good choice?
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Yep, I'm aware that the Transcend 16GB cards are spotty. I got one of the early ones that didn't show problems and it's worked well for the past year, but it has recently started flashing 'slow card' occasionally when starting a new recording. I can stop and restart the recording and it runs fine as long as necessary after that and hasn't lost or corrupted a file, but I'm ready to retire it to other duties.
Why 32GB? I really love having all that space on one card. 16 GB on one un-split volume is so much nicer than two 8 GB cards, especially for festivals where it eliminates the 'wasted space' you end up with on multiple cards when there's not enough space to fit a whole set safely. Just eliminates most concerns about media space. Unless I'm maxed out, I don't use 4gb cards anymore. Always nice to have extra in case of unexpected recording opportunities. I bet you 96kHz guys would really like the extra space.
After 8 months of using the 16 GB Transcend I got the same error last night and I lost four songs. Time to use it for something else. Is the Kingston Class 6 still considered a good choice?
Hello,
I've been using Kingston cards for years. Flawless performance. Never let me down.
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HR with 1.05 and a Kingston 16G card.
I notice that after a recording session the HR doesn't want to read the card anymore:
It starts up but 'freezes' at the startupscreen before it shows the first trackname etc.
Removing power revives the HR but doesn't not fix the issue.
My PC can read the card and retrieve the files which are fine.
In a previous occurrence fsck.vfat found two small anomalies with the signature values which were fixed. After that the HR could open and read the card again.
Of course I can reformat the card in the HR and see what happens, but what can I do when this issue keeps happening?
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Well, it happened again.
I recorded about one hour of soundboard at 88.1/24. The HR would not start fully after coming home and powering up the device.
The PC reads the card fine. `dmesg` shows me:
FAT: Invalid FSINFO signature: 0x41645252, 0x61417272 (sector = 1)
fsck.vfat can fix that but it happens (almost) every time.
Can anybody explain?
Can anybody reproduce this issue?
Also:
# fsck.vfat -a /dev/sde1
dosfsck 3.0.0, 28 Sep 2008, FAT32, LFN
FSINFO sector has bad magic number(s):
Offset 0: 0x41645252 != expected 0x41615252
Auto-correcting it.
Free cluster summary wrong (4294967295 vs. really 446653)
Auto-correcting.
Performing changes.
/dev/sde1: 1 files, 48595/495248 clusters
Does this help?
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# fsck.vfat -a /dev/sde1
dosfsck 3.0.0, 28 Sep 2008, FAT32, LFN
FSINFO sector has bad magic number(s):
Offset 0: 0x41645252 != expected 0x41615252
Auto-correcting it.
Free cluster summary wrong (4294967295 vs. really 446653)
Auto-correcting.
Performing changes.
/dev/sde1: 1 files, 48595/495248 clusters
Did you format the card in the R-09HR or in Linux? A bad magic number at sector 0 looks like a formatting "error".
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just recorded another show with this, and compared to my 722, I am starting to wonder if there should be a "R09 no more than 9" setting... the entire show looks (in sound forge) like there are no highs or lows during the music and I dont get that with the 722 :(
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just recorded another show with this, and compared to my 722, I am starting to wonder if there should be a "R09 no more than 9" setting... the entire show looks (in sound forge) like there are no highs or lows during the music and I dont get that with the 722 :(
What was your gain setting?
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for the show yesterday, 20
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External mics? Pre-amp...are you using one? What ya got workin?
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Its all in my sig, but.....
Schoeps MK4 > nBox + > R090HR set to 20 and every switch off
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Were all of your batteries up to snuff?
Mako
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Yeep, fresh of the charger a couple of hours before the show... the same ones I use all the time with no issues or concerns... meter was down just the little itsy bitsy tick at the beginning (and I have run them down way more than this before)
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Have you tried to repeat the problem at home? Were all of your connections secure?
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# fsck.vfat -a /dev/sde1
dosfsck 3.0.0, 28 Sep 2008, FAT32, LFN
FSINFO sector has bad magic number(s):
Offset 0: 0x41645252 != expected 0x41615252
Auto-correcting it.
Free cluster summary wrong (4294967295 vs. really 446653)
Auto-correcting.
Performing changes.
/dev/sde1: 1 files, 48595/495248 clusters
Did you format the card in the R-09HR or in Linux? A bad magic number at sector 0 looks like a formatting "error".
After formatting the card in Linux the HR accepts the card and works well.
Same for formatting the card in the HR (which I tried as well).
After recording some material the situation that I described occurs.
To be sure I can do a test, again:
Format card in HR. Record one hour. Shut down HR. Boot up HR. See if it works or 'freezes'.
Format card in Linux. Record one hour. Shut down HR. Boot up HR. See if it works or 'freezes'.
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Its all in my sig, but.....
Schoeps MK4 > nBox + > R090HR set to 20 and every switch off
20!? You know what signal that takes for 0dBFS?
And you are using a 'pre'?
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Chris Church told me that the Edirol 0 gain was about a "45" setting; Anything below that and it is attenuating and will add noise.
Sheesh, I've had the 09 in front of ear bursting stacks at 55 and still had to boost post. I get huge dynamic range with all my mikes, (mk4, atcmc and dpa), so something is wrong here.
Not sure whether your N Box has a 20db boost and if so, whether you had it on.
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Its all in my sig, but.....
Schoeps MK4 > nBox + > R090HR set to 20 and every switch off
20!? You know what signal that takes for 0dBFS?
And you are using a 'pre'?
And no, what level is the 0dbfs???? That was my initial question
The nbox+ is the pre-amp
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Chris Church told me that the Edirol 0 gain was about a "45" setting; Anything below that and it is attenuating and will add noise.
Yea, at 45, my entire show would have been brick walled... the 9 setting on the R09 was always low enough that I never had any issues with brick walling, but I always had to normalize in post
Sheesh, I've had the 09 in front of ear bursting stacks at 55 and still had to boost post. I get huge dynamic range with all my mikes, (mk4, atcmc and dpa), so something is wrong here.
Not sure whether your N Box has a 20db boost and if so, whether you had it on.
No, it is just on or off, there are no other settings or switches
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Chris Church told me that the Edirol 0 gain was about a "45" setting; Anything below that and it is attenuating and will add noise.
Yea, at 45, my entire show would have been brick walled...
'Clipped'?
And at 9 at the R09 you don't need 20 on the HR.
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Its all in my sig, but.....
Schoeps MK4 > nBox + > R090HR set to 20 and every switch off
20!? You know what signal that takes for 0dBFS?
And you are using a 'pre'?
And no, what level is the 0dbfs???? That was my initial question
The nbox+ is the pre-amp
Pre is way too much here.
At 20 on the HR you need around 18.5 dBu for 0dBFS.
So you are amplifiying and then attenuating way too much. You probably don't need a pre anyway.
On the 9 it is around 8 dBu with level at 9.
Please correct me if my numbers are wrong.
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Its all in my sig, but.....
Schoeps MK4 > nBox + > R090HR set to 20 and every switch off
something's fishy. I don't think I've ever had to run my r09hr that low. I'm typically 30-60 to get peaks at -6 with no evidence of reduced dynamics.
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Pre is way too much here.
At 20 on the HR you need around 18.5 dBu for 0dBFS.
So you are amplifiying and then attenuating way too much. You probably don't need a pre anyway.
If I dont use the pre, then how do you suggest I get power to my mics?
On the 9 it is around 8 dBu with level at 9.
Please correct me if my numbers are wrong.
Thats just is, does anyone know where to run the R09hr (regardless of external mics or pre) by the line in connection where the deck does no amplification or attenuation?
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Thats just is, does anyone know where to run the R09hr (regardless of external mics or pre) by the line in connection where the deck does no amplification or attenuation?
I've always heard 40-45 is the proper setting for the r-09.
Mako
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I've always heard 40-45 is the proper setting for the r-09.
It was either 9 or 11, and this is the R-09HR thread... thats what I am trying to gen an answer on
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I've always heard 40-45 is the proper setting for the r-09.
It was either 9 or 11, and this is the R-09HR thread... thats what I am trying to gen an answer on
Go to page one of this thread....
Mako
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If I dont use the pre, then how do you suggest I get power to my mics?
A simple phantom power supply?...
(http://www.digifishmusic.com/public/images/TapersSection_R44vsR09HRvs_R09_Gear.jpg)
digifish
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A simple phantom power supply?...
Schoeps mics are caps, so I need cables or full bodies... neither of which work well for stealthing
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Go to page one of this thread....
All I see is a post with the term "I guess" related to volume settings, so that does not answer my question... is that the post you are referencing?
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Go to page one of this thread....
All I see is a post with the term "I guess" related to volume settings, so that does not answer my question... is that the post you are referencing?
He is a quote from Mr. Church:
Chris Church told me that the Edirol 0 gain was about a "45" setting; Anything below that and it is attenuating and will add noise.
That is what I use anbd have NEVER had any of the problems you are talknig about.
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,118491.0.html
Mako
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Chris Church told me that the Edirol 0 gain was about a "45" setting; Anything below that and it is attenuating and will add noise.
Well, at a loud rock show, 45 would have caused brickwalling.... maybe I need to move back to he R09
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,118491.0.html
Another posting with wors like "thought to be" and "usually set"
Not sure why after almost a year we dont have an answer... wish I knew how to test this and get the answer, but I am no engineer
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Pre is way too much here.
At 20 on the HR you need around 18.5 dBu for 0dBFS.
So you are amplifiying and then attenuating way too much. You probably don't need a pre anyway.
If I dont use the pre, then how do you suggest I get power to my mics?
By using a power supply? Battery box? Or phantom-equivalent?
Thats just is, does anyone know where to run the R09hr (regardless of external mics or pre) by the line in connection where the deck does no amplification or attenuation?
Unity gain? That is the default gain setting for the device. Documented elsewhere in the thread, sorry.
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A simple phantom power supply?...
Schoeps mics are caps, so I need cables or full bodies... neither of which work well for stealthing
I stealthed with Sennheiser K6's. Works quite OK.
Of course stuff works better nowadays without K6's.
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Chris Church told me that the Edirol 0 gain was about a "45" setting; Anything below that and it is attenuating and will add noise.
Well, at a loud rock show, 45 would have caused brickwalling.... maybe I need to move back to he R09
If we can get a verified report of a HR (!) brickwalling when used more or less properly we have a first, I guess.
The gain range that the HR will accept is huge.
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Last time I've heard from Chris Church, he said the 0 gain was around # 38. ;)
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Last time I've heard from Chris Church, he said the 0 gain was around # 38. ;)
Nice to know. As a point of reference though, what is #100 then?
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By using a power supply? Battery box? Or phantom-equivalent?
As stated previously, that is the nbox!
Unity gain? That is the default gain setting for the device. Documented elsewhere in the thread, sorry.
Again, it is not stated, it is implied or assumed, no where is there proof of testing and proving in a lab vs the field... IE like guysonic did for the r09
Last time I've heard from Chris Church, he said the 0 gain was around # 38. ;)
Nice to know. As a point of reference though, what is #100 then?
and the max input volume is 80, not 100
yeesh
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mine goes up to 11! ;D
Sorry-- so what's 80?
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push the input volume button until it stops, what does the display show?
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push the input volume button until it stops, what does the display show?
Sorry for the confusion.... Volume goes to 100, Input goes to 80. When I said "mine goes up to 11!" I was making a joking reference to "This is Spinal Tap." A previous post explained that "40" on the input gain adds 0dB, I am wondering what is the highest amount of dB boost that this unit can provide... in other words, when the unit is plugged in and rolling, and you have your input boost up to 80, what does that 80 mean in real-world / dB terms? +10db? +20db?
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push the input volume button until it stops, what does the display show?
Sorry for the confusion.... Volume goes to 100, Input goes to 80. When I said "mine goes up to 11!" I was making a joking reference to "This is Spinal Tap." A previous post explained that "40" on the input gain adds 0dB, I am wondering what is the highest amount of dB boost that this unit can provide... in other words, when the unit is plugged in and rolling, and you have your input boost up to 80, what does that 80 mean in real-world / dB terms? +10db? +20db?
Considering the display shows rec levels from -40db to 0 and the 1/2 db per click increment, I supose it means +40db.
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Considering the display shows rec levels from -40db to 0 and the 1/2 db per click increment, I supose it means +40db.
Again, this is something that needs to be tested/determined in a lab environment, not guessing.
The meter in the screen is the same increments you would find on a Sony D-7, so take the numbers with a grain of salt
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Considering the display shows rec levels from -40db to 0 and the 1/2 db per click increment, I supose it means +40db.
Again, this is something that needs to be tested/determined in a lab environment, not guessing.
The meter in the screen is the same increments you would find on a Sony D-7, so take the numbers with a grain of salt
I'm not guessing anything. I'm just saying something that's well known and discussed around here: the R-09 has +- 1db increment per click while the R-09HR has +-1/2 db per click increments.
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OK
I ran a little "unscientific" test today. I created a 1Khz tone at a constant level of -6db. With that tone I recorded it with my R09hr. Here is the lineage.
Soundforge 9 > M-audio Audiophile 2496 > 3.5mm extention cable > line-in R-09HR
at a level of 45 the R09Hr peaked at -6.2db and at 46 the R09hr peaked at -5.7db. It's not a perfect test but it should give a ballpark idea of unity.
Mako
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Mako - thanks for the efforts, +T (if we could)
I will fully admit I am no engineer, so this is a "please help the slow (in reference to me)", how does this show that 45 is the best place to be? Is it because the -6 tone and the R09HR levels are (basically) the same with no changes in the level?
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NEW R09hr problem
Had this email exchange with Roland/Rdirol today (edited for ease of reading):
To: Greg
RE: Support Request #46119
Product: R-09HR
Question:
I noticed today that the "System Update Version 1.05" was removed from the R-09HR product page.
Can you tell me why? I am just curious if I need to downgrade my unit if there is something wrong with the 1.05 version.
Greg,
Yes, you should downgrade as Japan has pulled that version due to bugs found. Please install 1.04 instead.
Sincerely,
Roland Product Support
So, time to downgrade.
I asked if they would tell me the issue, but they usually take a day or so to respond, I will keep everyone posted... and I am downgrading today!
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NEW R09hr problem
Had this email exchange with Roland/Rdirol today (edited for ease of reading):
To: Greg
RE: Support Request #46119
Product: R-09HR
Question:
I noticed today that the "System Update Version 1.05" was removed from the R-09HR product page.
Can you tell me why? I am just curious if I need to downgrade my unit if there is something wrong with the 1.05 version.
Greg,
Yes, you should downgrade as Japan has pulled that version due to bugs found. Please install 1.04 instead.
Sincerely,
Roland Product Support
So, time to downgrade.
I asked if they would tell me the issue, but they usually take a day or so to respond, I will keep everyone posted... and I am downgrading today!
It's still up here BTW
http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=4720
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Mako - thanks for the efforts, +T (if we could)
I will fully admit I am no engineer, so this is a "please help the slow (in reference to me)", how does this show that 45 is the best place to be? Is it because the -6 tone and the R09HR levels are (basically) the same with no changes in the level?
I never said it was the "best" place to record. I just ran a little test to see where unity should be.
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I never said it was the "best" place to record. I just ran a little test to see where unity should be.
That is fair... I just wont go over 45, and kind of be screwed on shows (like last Sat) where 20 is the highest I can go to keep the deck from showing the clip light
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I never said it was the "best" place to record. I just ran a little test to see where unity should be.
That is fair... I just wont go over 45, and kind of be screwed on shows (like last Sat) where 20 is the highest I can go to keep the deck from showing the clip light
I'm amazing that your setup is that "hot"
Mako.
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I have the v1.05 installed for quite a while now, and never had any problems..
Think it's wise the downgrade again then..
Anyone knows where to find the v1.04??
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http://www.rolandus.com/uploads/CMS/Downloads/2259/r09hr_v104.zip
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I have the v1.05 installed for quite a while now, and never had any problems..
Think it's wise the downgrade again then..
Anyone knows where to find the v1.04??
First time I upgraded to the v1.05, all kinds of weird things happened to my unit ( and to lots of others users), so I downgraded back to v1.04. Two months ago I gave v1.05 another try. Everything works fine now. I'll stay with v1.05 at this time.
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I have the v1.05 installed for quite a while now, and never had any problems..
Think it's wise the downgrade again then..
Anyone knows where to find the v1.04??
Um... huh? Why install 1.04 if you're not having problems with 1.05? I've been using 1.05 along with a Trascend 16gb card for about 6 months now without any problems.
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I never said it was the "best" place to record. I just ran a little test to see where unity should be.
That is fair... I just wont go over 45, and kind of be screwed on shows (like last Sat) where 20 is the highest I can go to keep the deck from showing the clip light
I'm amazing that your setup is that "hot"
It's simply wasteful.
The 'pre' makes the signal hot.
Then the HR has to attenuate to normal levels.
It only helps noise.
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I'd really like to hear some concert recordings made using the Edirol R-09HR's internal mic. I found two at Dime:
Neil Young
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=209626
Patti Smith
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=207820
Does anyone know of any other such recordings? Any comments/recommendations are also appreciated. Thanks.
I recorded Boston using the Edirol's internal mics. But it was the R09, not the HR.
Darryl
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What are the windscreen options for the HR? I found the Edirol OPR09HRW screen http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-OPR09HRW-WIND-SHIELD-FOR-R09HR?sku=580417 (http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-OPR09HRW-WIND-SHIELD-FOR-R09HR?sku=580417)
But it looks pretty big and goofy. Are there any other options available?
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What are the windscreen options for the HR? I found the Edirol OPR09HRW screen http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-OPR09HRW-WIND-SHIELD-FOR-R09HR?sku=580417 (http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-OPR09HRW-WIND-SHIELD-FOR-R09HR?sku=580417)
But it looks pretty big and goofy. Are there any other options available?
No less big and goofy, the Road 'Dead Kitten' fits...and is much more effective than the foam thing...
(http://www.ediroleurope.com/images/news/R09b2.jpg)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/470272-REG/Rode_DEAD_KITTEN_Dead_Kitten_WindMuff_for.html
Fits over most of the pocket recorders, has an elasticised opening, also over the NT4 foam...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Ob-S70rVsg/Sey2IHQBTtI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/A2ZzOacnKBo/s400/rode_nt4_kitten.jpg)
digifish
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I was wondering if someone here might be willing to look at a power question I've had up for a while in Remote Power, regarding an external power supply for the R-09HR. Thanks in advance.
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,112319.msg1614282.html#msg1614282
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I was wondering if someone here might be willing to look at a power question I've had up for a while in Remote Power, regarding an external power supply for the R-09HR. Thanks in advance.
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,112319.msg1614282.html#msg1614282
Curious why you are looking for external power for the R-09HR. I get 9+ hours on a pair of 2700mAh Sanyos recording at 24/44.1, which is good enough for a full day festival (unless Bonnaroo), and bring two pairs and you're set for the weekend. It's the most convenient IMO and rock solid as well.
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Curious why you are looking for external power for the R-09HR. I get 9+ hours on a pair of 2700mAh Sanyos recording at 24/44.1, which is good enough for a full day festival (unless Bonnaroo), and bring two pairs and you're set for the weekend. It's the most convenient IMO and rock solid as well.
I can't speak for the original poster but IME, NiMH rechargeables are not reliable...especially once they are used for awhile. I do consider myself to have good "battery hygeine" so to speak. I take care of them properly. So I am forced to either wing it and hope the NiMH batteries don't die (but they will eventually) or go the external route...which I am currently in the process of doing with a LIon.
Also, I'd be curious to know how much time you get with the 2700mAh @ 24/96?
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I can't speak for the original poster but IME, NiMH rechargeables are not reliable...especially once they are used for awhile. I do consider myself to have good "battery hygeine" so to speak. I take care of them properly. So I am forced to either wing it and hope the NiMH batteries don't die (but they will eventually) or go the external route...which I am currently in the process of doing with a LIon.
Also, I'd be curious to know how much time you get with the 2700mAh @ 24/96?
Never tried 24/96, maybe I'll run a test tonight.
But in terms of battery types, I've read/heard that NiMH are more reliable than Lithium ion types, and unlike Lithium batteries, they do not continually lose capacity every year. I think the main choice here is NiMH versus alkalines, which will be the most rock solid. Lithium AAs will probably give you the best battery life and reliability. Been using NiMH for my R-09HR (and R-09 previously) for over a year and never had a battery fail on me. I'm sure it'll happen eventually though. :P
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Been using NiMH for my R-09HR (and R-09 previously) for over a year and never had a battery fail on me. I'm sure it'll happen eventually though. :P
I've been using mine for well over 2 years now....perhaps that is part of my problem. I've had failures twice.
I would like to try a better charger (like the LaCrosse BC-900) to see if that breathes some new life into my NIMH AA's. I did get one of those multi-voltage packs that I want to try out also...need to make a cable for it though.
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I would like to try a better charger (like the LaCrosse BC-900) to see if that breathes some new life into my NIMH AA's.
I have that charger (quite a bargain) and have only conditioned batteries a couple of times, because it takes days... very painful.
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I would like to try a better charger (like the LaCrosse BC-900) to see if that breathes some new life into my NIMH AA's.
I have that charger (quite a bargain) and have only conditioned batteries a couple of times, because it takes days... very painful.
I use a MH-C9000 WizardOne Charger-Analyzer (for my R09HR & R44 batteries <- added to keep this on topic :) )
http://www.mahaenergy.com/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=423
(http://www.mahaenergy.com/store/catalog/mhc9000.jpg)
Before that I was using cheap standard chargers. I have found I am now getting probably double the service life of my AA batteries.
The independent channel charging is probably the most important feature.
digifish
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I use the powerex and the lacosse and both are great, not sure which is better or makes them last longer... but i feel more comfortable with the results from the powerex one vs the lacosse
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software 1.06 is released, download link: http://www.rolandus.com/support/downloads_updates/eula.aspx?DownloadId=2259
from the readme:
R-09HR System Update Version 1.06
Change of version 1.06
* Compatible with 32GB SDHC (High Capacity) memory cards.
* Improve the S/N ratio during 88.2kHz/96kHz recording/playback.
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software 1.06 is released, download link: http://www.rolandus.com/support/downloads_updates/eula.aspx?DownloadId=2259
from the readme:
R-09HR System Update Version 1.06
Change of version 1.06
* Compatible with 32GB SDHC (High Capacity) memory cards.
* Improve the S/N ratio during 88.2kHz/96kHz recording/playback.
Thanks for the update I'll have to pick this up.
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software 1.06 is released, download link: http://www.rolandus.com/support/downloads_updates/eula.aspx?DownloadId=2259
from the readme:
R-09HR System Update Version 1.06
Change of version 1.06
* Compatible with 32GB SDHC (High Capacity) memory cards.
* Improve the S/N ratio during 88.2kHz/96kHz recording/playback.
Thanks a lot ;)
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I can't speak for the original poster but IME, NiMH rechargeables are not reliable...especially once they are used for awhile. I do consider myself to have good "battery hygeine" so to speak. I take care of them properly. So I am forced to either wing it and hope the NiMH batteries don't die (but they will eventually) or go the external route...which I am currently in the process of doing with a LIon.
Also, I'd be curious to know how much time you get with the 2700mAh @ 24/96?
Never tried 24/96, maybe I'll run a test tonight.
But in terms of battery types, I've read/heard that NiMH are more reliable than Lithium ion types, and unlike Lithium batteries, they do not continually lose capacity every year. I think the main choice here is NiMH versus alkalines, which will be the most rock solid. Lithium AAs will probably give you the best battery life and reliability. Been using NiMH for my R-09HR (and R-09 previously) for over a year and never had a battery fail on me. I'm sure it'll happen eventually though. :P
I use POWEREX 2700NIMH and just last week they ran for 3.5 hours recording at 24/96, then another 3 hours playing back the recording in the car on the way home. I use the POWEREX MH-C9000 WizardOne Charger to refresh/maintain the batteries. I always have 2 pair with me when I go recording.
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I easily get 5+ hours of record time at 24/96... never tried to go past that... and I too always have a set in the deck and a set in pocket
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No less big and goofy, the Road 'Dead Kitten' fits...and is much more effective than the foam thing...
digifish
Thanks digi!
In a Neal Ewers podcast, he mentions the windscreen from the Sony PCM-D50 fits the HR. It's a dead kitten style too but is more $. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/531750-REG/Sony_AD_PCM1_AD_PCM1_Windscreen_for_PCM_D1.html#reviews (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/531750-REG/Sony_AD_PCM1_AD_PCM1_Windscreen_for_PCM_D1.html#reviews)
Seems like too much money. If I get a dead kitten it will likely be the Rode. Still looking...
-MIQ
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software 1.06 is released, download link: http://www.rolandus.com/support/downloads_updates/eula.aspx?DownloadId=2259
from the readme:
R-09HR System Update Version 1.06
Change of version 1.06
* Compatible with 32GB SDHC (High Capacity) memory cards.
* Improve the S/N ratio during 88.2kHz/96kHz recording/playback.
Thanks, that's Edirol code for...
Same as 1.05 without the bugs :P
digifish
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New thread is here:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,121455.0.html