Topic: Edirol R09HR

[bgalizio]

bgalizio and udovdh
I am new to this and i just selected Edirol HR for my new toy because of the good report the R-09 came with.
With reference to your comments above,   does this make the Hr a better machine than the R-09?

For my comments before: I don't think it makes any difference. Perhaps the +2dBU default input gain on line-in makes a difference, but not sure one way or the other. Someone else will have to chime in there, as I don't know a thing about dBU.

From my initial impressions looking at the unit: I don't like the hold switch on the back, nor do I like the line input on the side. If the input jack is reinforced relative to the R-09, it would be a major plus. That remains to be seen until someone has the device in hand.

We also don't know the ADC quality relative to the R-09. Just because it can do 24/96 doesn't make it sound better.

[blacky]

One of the things attracting me to the HR is the Speaker - I need that opne.

The question has been raised about the value of the Remote.   The Remote Indicator  on the HR flashes at a different rate for varying levels thus serving as an indicaor when using the remote.   The range of the remote is about 16 feet.  It relies on the IR being in visible alignment with the remote I guess.

[SpokenMagicSpells]

Mine will come next monday!

[udovdh]

With reference to your comments above,   does this make the Hr a better machine than the R-09?

It depends on your needs, situation, etc.

Will you be using the internal mics?
External mics? Which?
Method of powering mics?
What stuff will be recorded?
For how long?
Need digi-out?
Will more than 48 Khz or even better than 100 dB SNR really help in your genre of sounds with your mics??
Etc.

Both the 09 and HR can be great recorders I guess.
Yes, the HR is marketed as having better noise performance than the 09. (by how much?)
But it is slightly bigger.
Maybe it is better mechanically (input jack, battery door).
Maybe you don't need digi-out.

[blacky]

Thanks udovdh for the response.  You ask more than I can answer to.   I will be using both internal and lapel mics at different times. (Lapel mic to be unobtrusive on one of the 'actors'.   My intent is to record a conversation while I video the picture.  I would like to video the background as well as the participants. To get an overall video I have to stand back and that means less sound to be recorded on video.  The recorder is so that I might match the two in editing, to get a good result.
The Recorder will also be used in the fiield to record bird sounds. 
I have used a small tape recorder but the background is not suitable for use.
I am at the moment on the side of the Edirol R-09 HR, with the Marantz 660 or 620 as second consideration.  I guess you agree with the HR choice.   I guess it is very much a matter of "make your choice and live with it while you learn".
Thanks for your response.   I am probably asking too much from what I have to work with.  (Camcorder is Pana GS400)

[powermonkey]

Hoping to pull the trigger on one of these sparkly HR's next week, when my pay hits my bank account - if I can track one down. Hopefully turnkey on Charing Cross Road will have 'em... according to their website I'm looking at £259.99.

Sweeeeeet.

If I get one, then I'll be out taping a couple of times next week, so tasty 24/96 sample flacs ahoy.
 

[gmm6797]

As far as I can find out the HR will be available in Ontario the second week of March.  While I was talking to the retailer he phoned Roland in Toronto, and he tells me that the R-09 HR will be selling for just under the R-09, which is priced at $399 in this store at the moment.  He gave no indication of a sale on the R-09.

Can you keep us posted on the Toronto info, being in Rochester I end up in Canada a lot for shows and would love to grab one when in the North country, but would need price and store details

[blacky]

Can you keep us posted on the Toronto info, being in Rochester I end up in Canada a lot for shows and would love to grab one when in the North country, but would need price and store details
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Thanks for that post - I just noticed I said "second week in march"  that should have been "second week in APRIL"   Sorry about that.

The retailer I am working with is "Long and McQuade"  In Burlington, Ontario.  I spoke to them this morning and it is not available as yet.  I will post as soon as I have anything.  (Such as an    R09 HR) 

[blacky]

udovdh

Need digi-out?   You mention this and I am not aware of its implications.  As I said, I am not acquainted with this recording business.
Could you please give me a short meaning of the term. 

[digifish_music]

udovdh

Need digi-out?   You mention this and I am not aware of its implications.  As I said, I am not acquainted with this recording business.
Could you please give me a short meaning of the term. 

The R09 has a combined analog and digital (optical) out on the headphone jack. The HR does not, only analog. It's rather a moot point for 99% of users as they get the file digitally by copying over USB to a PC. I suppose some people are using the digi-out as a live feed to other gear?

digifish

[blacky]

Thanks for that explanation.  I had guessed something like that as I felt that Roland would not take it away without some good reason.  Myself - i will be moving the files to Pc for use there so I am safe I guess.
Many thanks.

[bonghitwillie]

anyone know how cheap the r09 is now?  is it down to $200-250?   

[gmm6797]

Still shows upper 300's on most sites

[justink]

Edirol's list of differences between R-09 and new HR is here

http://www.roland.com/faq/en/R-09HR/R-09HR_Comparison.htm

HR gains:
24/96 WAV recording
variable speed playback (50% - 150%)
remote control
small built-in speaker
Cakewalk Audio Creator LE software

HR loses:
optical digital output

HR is slightly longer and 20g (1 oz) heavier

although i wish i would have sold my R-09 a couple months ago before this announcement...  i don't think they did their homework enough on the HR to really lower the price of a R-09 in the YS all that much.

i'll stick w/ the R-09 for a bit more!

-j

[justink]

I'm keeping my eye on the old R09 price, as stores try to clear old stock. UK-wise, I'm not seeing much in the way of discounting yet, though Dolphin Music have the red and white ones for £199. I'm looking for a second unit for possible soundboard duties.

that's a very good call!!!

-j