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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #330 on: April 28, 2009, 02:10:58 AM »
Quote from: gmm6797 on April 28, 2009, 12:33:27 AM
Quote from: 69mako on April 27, 2009, 11:59:14 PM
Chris Church told me that the Edirol 0 gain was about a "45" setting; Anything below that and it is attenuating and will add noise.

Well, at a loud rock show, 45 would have caused brickwalling.... maybe I need to move back to he R09
If we can get a verified report of a HR (!) brickwalling when used more or less properly we have a first, I guess.
The gain range that the HR will accept is huge.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #331 on: April 28, 2009, 02:01:09 PM »
Last time I've heard from Chris Church, he said the 0 gain was around # 38. ;)
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #332 on: April 28, 2009, 02:05:21 PM »
Quote from: Dede2002 on April 28, 2009, 02:01:09 PM
Last time I've heard from Chris Church, he said the 0 gain was around # 38. ;)
Nice to know.  As a point of reference though, what is #100 then?
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #333 on: April 28, 2009, 03:03:11 PM »
Quote from: jobseek2001 on April 28, 2009, 02:07:02 AM
By using a power supply? Battery box? Or phantom-equivalent?
As stated previously, that is the nbox!

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Unity gain? That is the default gain setting for the device. Documented elsewhere in the thread, sorry.

Again, it is not stated, it is implied or assumed, no where is there proof of testing and proving in a lab vs the field... IE like guysonic did for the r09


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Quote from: Dede2002 on April 28, 2009, 02:01:09 PM
Last time I've heard from Chris Church, he said the 0 gain was around # 38. ;)
Nice to know.  As a point of reference though, what is #100 then?
and the max input volume is 80, not 100

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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #334 on: April 28, 2009, 03:18:25 PM »
mine goes up to 11!  ;D

Sorry-- so what's 80?
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #335 on: April 28, 2009, 03:35:33 PM »
push the input volume button until it stops, what does the display show?
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #336 on: April 28, 2009, 03:41:37 PM »
Quote from: gmm6797 on April 28, 2009, 03:35:33 PM
push the input volume button until it stops, what does the display show?

Sorry for the confusion....  Volume goes to 100, Input goes to 80.  When I said "mine goes up to 11!" I was making a joking reference to "This is Spinal Tap." A previous post explained that "40" on the input gain adds 0dB, I am wondering what is the highest amount of dB boost that this unit can provide... in other words, when the unit is plugged in and rolling, and you have your input boost up to 80, what does that 80 mean in real-world / dB terms?  +10db?  +20db?
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #337 on: April 28, 2009, 04:47:24 PM »
Quote from: travelinbeat on April 28, 2009, 03:41:37 PM
Quote from: gmm6797 on April 28, 2009, 03:35:33 PM
push the input volume button until it stops, what does the display show?

Sorry for the confusion....  Volume goes to 100, Input goes to 80.  When I said "mine goes up to 11!" I was making a joking reference to "This is Spinal Tap." A previous post explained that "40" on the input gain adds 0dB, I am wondering what is the highest amount of dB boost that this unit can provide... in other words, when the unit is plugged in and rolling, and you have your input boost up to 80, what does that 80 mean in real-world / dB terms?  +10db?  +20db?

Considering the display shows rec levels from -40db to 0 and the 1/2 db per click increment, I supose it means +40db.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #338 on: April 28, 2009, 08:04:43 PM »
Quote from: Dede2002 on April 28, 2009, 04:47:24 PM
Considering the display shows rec levels from -40db to 0 and the 1/2 db per click increment, I supose it means +40db.

Again, this is something that needs to be tested/determined in a lab environment, not guessing.

The meter in the screen is the same increments you would find on a Sony D-7, so take the numbers with a grain of salt
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #339 on: April 28, 2009, 09:05:12 PM »
Quote from: gmm6797 on April 28, 2009, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: Dede2002 on April 28, 2009, 04:47:24 PM
Considering the display shows rec levels from -40db to 0 and the 1/2 db per click increment, I supose it means +40db.

Again, this is something that needs to be tested/determined in a lab environment, not guessing.

The meter in the screen is the same increments you would find on a Sony D-7, so take the numbers with a grain of salt


I'm not guessing anything. I'm just saying something that's well known and discussed around here: the R-09 has +- 1db increment per click while the R-09HR has +-1/2 db per click increments.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #340 on: April 28, 2009, 09:10:03 PM »
OK
I ran a little "unscientific" test today.  I created a 1Khz tone at a constant level of -6db.  With that tone I recorded it with my R09hr.  Here is the lineage.

Soundforge 9 > M-audio Audiophile 2496 > 3.5mm extention cable > line-in R-09HR

at a level of 45 the R09Hr peaked at -6.2db and at 46 the R09hr peaked at -5.7db.  It's not a perfect test but it should give a ballpark idea of unity.

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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #341 on: April 28, 2009, 10:22:30 PM »
Mako - thanks for the efforts, +T (if we could)

I will fully admit I am no engineer, so this is a "please help the slow (in reference to me)", how does this show that 45 is the best place to be?  Is it because the -6 tone and the R09HR levels are (basically) the same with no changes in the level?
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #342 on: April 28, 2009, 10:25:36 PM »
NEW R09hr problem

Had this email exchange with Roland/Rdirol today (edited for ease of reading):

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To: Greg
RE: Support Request #46119
Product: R-09HR
Question:
I noticed today that the "System Update Version 1.05" was removed from the R-09HR product page.
Can you tell me why?  I am just curious if I need to downgrade my unit if there is something wrong with the 1.05 version.


Greg,
Yes, you should downgrade as Japan has pulled that version due to bugs found.  Please install 1.04 instead.
Sincerely,
Roland Product Support

So, time to downgrade.

I asked if they would tell me the issue, but they usually take a day or so to respond, I will keep everyone posted... and I am downgrading today!

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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #343 on: April 28, 2009, 10:49:07 PM »
Quote from: gmm6797 on April 28, 2009, 10:25:36 PM
NEW R09hr problem

Had this email exchange with Roland/Rdirol today (edited for ease of reading):

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To: Greg
RE: Support Request #46119
Product: R-09HR
Question:
I noticed today that the "System Update Version 1.05" was removed from the R-09HR product page.
Can you tell me why?  I am just curious if I need to downgrade my unit if there is something wrong with the 1.05 version.


Greg,
Yes, you should downgrade as Japan has pulled that version due to bugs found.  Please install 1.04 instead.
Sincerely,
Roland Product Support

So, time to downgrade.

I asked if they would tell me the issue, but they usually take a day or so to respond, I will keep everyone posted... and I am downgrading today!

It's still up here BTW

http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/dld.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=4720

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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE
« Reply #344 on: April 28, 2009, 11:11:47 PM »
Quote from: gmm6797 on April 28, 2009, 10:22:30 PM
Mako - thanks for the efforts, +T (if we could)

I will fully admit I am no engineer, so this is a "please help the slow (in reference to me)", how does this show that 45 is the best place to be?  Is it because the -6 tone and the R09HR levels are (basically) the same with no changes in the level?


I never said it was the "best" place to record.  I just ran a little test to see where unity should be.
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