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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #60 on: October 06, 2005, 01:32:53 PM »
dpa has an office right nearby in lyons?  maybe i need to audition some mics ;)
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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #61 on: October 06, 2005, 01:45:28 PM »
the response on the DPA 406x line?

Sorry about that.  I asked about my 4023's, nothing else. 
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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #62 on: October 06, 2005, 01:49:43 PM »
the response on the DPA 406x line?

Sorry about that.  I asked about my 4023's, nothing else. 

cool, good to know as I have the 4022s

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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2005, 03:53:37 PM »
the response on the DPA 406x line?

Bruce from DPA sent me this info the other day -
"The typical range of voltage we recommend is between 4.5V and 9V with
the spec set at 6V. No caution needs to be taken at these levels.
No significant change in specs occurs when varying the voltage. Voltages
below 4.5V are insufficient to power the mic.

However:
It is more about amperage than voltage.
DPA minimic's are actually designed to handle a maximum current
of 7 mA. The incorporated 6.8 kOhm resistors on a standard
P48 V systems limits the current draw to exactly 7 mA.
When calculating the correct series resistor to be utilized with
a minimic, we always consider 1 mA as the normal current draw
in order to supply the mic. satisfactorily. You'll NOT gain any
better performance from the mic. by raising the current up to the
maximum of 7 mA."

Since the Microtrack puts out 4.5v (instead of the advertised 5v) on it's mic input, I'm a little worried that the voltage will dip below 4.5v after an hour or two of usage.  I'm talking about using something like the dongle that "Freelunch" made (see Rig Pictures section).  I need to run some tests to make sure it doesn't go below 4.5v at any point.

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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #64 on: October 07, 2005, 01:02:27 AM »
I wrote DPA about the 48 volt issue, and got this repsonse:

Hi Colin,

You should have no problem.  The mics will reach full performance down
to 28 volts, and can not be damaged by low voltage.

Best Regards,
 

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Lyons, CO  80540
303-823-5830 (fax)
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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #65 on: October 07, 2005, 08:46:18 PM »
I heard back from M-Audio today about this issue. Here is the email:

I have forwarded your email to our developer, but at this point I cannot offer you a solution. We are working on a firmware upgrade, but are not made aware yet by the developer if the phantom power will be upped to 48 volts or not in a hardware upgrade. We apologize for the inconvenience, but we do ask that you try out your microphones and the supplied phantom power should provide enough power for them.

Please let us know if you need further assistance.


Not sure if anyone else has received similar responses but this is the first I have heard about a hardware upgrade.  Not to imply that one is imminent but at least they seem aware of the issue(and are not denying that 48v was part of the initial marketing), and seem to be making attempts to fix it.


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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2005, 04:38:02 PM »
M-Audio called me today about an email I sent them.  I quoted the Neumann response to the 30V question.  They asked who I talked to and they are now going to call them and see if there will be a problem for Neumann mics.  Looks like they are at least trying to find out if it really is a problem for all or some.  I know they should take care of all but, that doesn't seem to be the road they are taking.
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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2005, 03:14:13 AM »
I just bought some Studio Projects C4s,
Called them to ask what minmum voltage they'd operate at since it was not in the specs or on the site.
The tech (I forgot his name) told me that they would go down to 20v
Just tryin to save someone else the call


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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2005, 07:57:22 AM »
Dear MT-Friends,

there are 3 different types of phantom power:
48V (+-4V), using 6,8k feeding resistors
24V (+-4V), using 1,2k feeding resistors
12V (+-3V) using 680 Ohm feeding resistors.

The 30V are pretty close to the upper limit of the 24V type, 1.2k feeding resistors would be right.
Has anyone of you measured what feeding resistors the MT uses ?
I don´t have the device yet, so I can´t do the measurement at this time.
You cannot measure this in a direct way, but you have to draw a certain current and measure the voltage drop.

Many thanks for your help.

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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2005, 11:30:41 AM »
I just bought some Studio Projects C4s,
Called them to ask what minmum voltage they'd operate at since it was not in the specs or on the site.
The tech (I forgot his name) told me that they would go down to 20v
Just tryin to save someone else the call



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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #70 on: January 02, 2006, 07:23:23 PM »
waking this thread up again....

Anybody running AT853/933's  with Ph power? and if so what kinda batt life are you getting..

 I'm pretty much stealth and I'd like to terminate my mics over to mini xlr but if the battery life sucks I'll bag it cause I don't want pack around a charger as well..

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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2006, 07:56:55 PM »
waking this thread up again....

Anybody running AT853/933's  with Ph power? and if so what kinda batt life are you getting..

 I'm pretty much stealth and I'd like to terminate my mics over to mini xlr but if the battery life sucks I'll bag it cause I don't want pack around a charger as well..

Thanks



Funny you should ask... the 4th time out with my MT and a gig over 2 hours, I remembered to leave it running afterwards as a proper recording time test:

AT853>Samson PM4>MT @ 24/48

File 1 (main set): 1:44:02
File 2: (Encores): 0:25:20
File 3: (Ambient noise after gig): 1:20:17

Total: 3:29:39

The max SPL capability seems unaffected by the lower phantom voltage too...


 
 

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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2006, 08:05:46 PM »

The max SPL capability seems unaffected by the lower phantom voltage too...






Good news on the spl = bonus,  the other reason

Hey, funny I just located your post from a while back......I just pm'ed you
Seems like pretty good run times considering some of the thing's I've read, and although I've never lost power it seems like I'm getting about the same or not much more runtimes without Phantom.

 

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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2006, 04:29:04 AM »
I e-mailed Sennheiser regarding its compatability with my P48 416 shotgun microphone.  They told me that it should operate fine on 30 V.  I have not tested this since my first MT was dead out of the box.  I will probably never use the phantom power of the MT since I typically use a Sound Devices 442 as a front end and plan to use the MT as merely a backup in a worst case scenario backup situation.  It's good to know that I shouldn't try to use my Neumann Km-150 with the MT considering it costs 4 times as much as the MT.  I'm also hesitant to plug in my 416 since it also costs 3 times that of the MT.

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Re: M-Audio's response to 48v phantom power bug
« Reply #74 on: January 10, 2006, 02:10:48 PM »
quote from an email early in the thread:

"...since its predecessor the DMP2 could not properly power a pair of modern condenser microphones--not even Neumanns at 2 - 3 mA apiece, let alone a Schoeps (4 - 4.5 mA) or any of the types that require more current, such as the Shure KSM series (5 - 6 mA)"...

Just letting people know, I successfully ran (with phantom power from the MT) a KSM32 with zero problems for about 4 hours the other night (I had external power to the MT though).
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