Topic: Korg MR-1 and MR-1000 - News DSD Recorders announced at AES

[kindms]

Looks cool! Now, where's my portable, affordable, 4 channel DSD recorder

Stupid side question: if you record in DSD, can you burn the DSD to a DVD and have it play on any SACD player? Also, I'm assuming there is software to edit the DSD recording (not just convert to PCM)?

I have not seen software to go DSD > SACD. Perhaps thats what they mean by future prrof ? Like for now you can take the dsd and convert to PCM until the time when DSD > SACD becomes affordable

[rdvdijk]

The smaller mr-1 is a little bigger than an ipod, and includes 2 balanced connectors on 1/8" jacks and mini mic, while the bigger table top version includes 48v phantom with what was described as very transparant and neutral mic pres.

So, this would mean that the mr-1 does not support 48v phantom, right?
So, what is the "mic power" button for on the mr-1?

Very interesting recorder!

Roel

[bgalizio]

Looks cool! Now, where's my portable, affordable, 4 channel DSD recorder

Stupid side question: if you record in DSD, can you burn the DSD to a DVD and have it play on any SACD player? Also, I'm assuming there is software to edit the DSD recording (not just convert to PCM)?

I have not seen software to go DSD > SACD. Perhaps thats what they mean by future prrof ? Like for now you can take the dsd and convert to PCM until the time when DSD > SACD becomes affordable

So to listen to the DSD, you have to use the recorder itself? Can you even listen to DSD through the computer? Seems kind of odd that you can't burn to SACD, but then again it is a proprietary format. I guess quality analog outs are important for these devices.

[Rick]

The MR-1 looks sweet. I better start saving!

[mandoman]

The smaller mr-1 is a little bigger than an ipod, and includes 2 balanced connectors on 1/8" jacks and mini mic, while the bigger table top version includes 48v phantom with what was described as very transparant and neutral mic pres.

So, this would mean that the mr-1 does not support 48v phantom, right?
So, what is the "mic power" button for on the mr-1?

Very interesting recorder!

Roel

The 'mic power' button on the mr-1 is for the included mini mic. It's not 48v phantom. 5v maybe?

[pjdavep]

I have not seen software to go DSD > SACD. Perhaps thats what they mean by future proof ? Like for now you can take the dsd and convert to PCM until the time when DSD > SACD becomes affordable

And this doesn't exactly fall under the "affordable" category 
http://www.sonicstudio.com/products/dsd/sacdc.html

Is there any other DSD>SACD software out there that is less than 5K?

I think that the DV-RA1000 users have a discWelder version that converts/burns the DSD masters to 24/192 PCM (or lower), but have they promised a DSD>SACD in the future?

Later,
   pjdavep

[RebelRebel]

the DSD to SACD requires expensive authoring tools..only a few mastering houses have this capability, as far as I know. it isnt a simple thing.

no ...there is nothing less than 5k

there will not be any DSD>>>SACD tools for consumers. just wont happen.



http://www.airshowmastering.com/sacdimg/SACD.pdf

I have not seen software to go DSD > SACD. Perhaps thats what they mean by future proof ? Like for now you can take the dsd and convert to PCM until the time when DSD > SACD becomes affordable

And this doesn't exactly fall under the "affordable" category 
http://www.sonicstudio.com/products/dsd/sacdc.html

Is there any other DSD>SACD software out there that is less than 5K?

I think that the DV-RA1000 users have a discWelder version that converts/burns the DSD masters to 24/192 PCM (or lower), but have they promised a DSD>SACD in the future?

Later,
   pjdavep

[RebelRebel]

there are only a couple of platforms such as Pyramix, Sadie, and Sonic Studios that allow you to edit DSD material.  there is also the sonoma workstation, which isnt cheap.

you cannot just burn the DSD to DVD and play anywhere...you have to get the DSD authored to SACD.

Looks cool! Now, where's my portable, affordable, 4 channel DSD recorder

Stupid side question: if you record in DSD, can you burn the DSD to a DVD and have it play on any SACD player? Also, I'm assuming there is software to edit the DSD recording (not just convert to PCM)?

[RebelRebel]

well, there are a number of DSD Converters on the market..

Prism, weiss, emm labs, grimm, digital audio denmark.... I use an external converter with my Tascam DVRA..(1st gen meitner)


Teddy

Still there is no digi in on either.  The MR-1 would be the shit if it had a digi in and accept 24/96.  It may however be a stealthers dream.....and replace the R9.  If the R9 would just support 4gig cards and higher.....Thats the only thing keeping me from getting one.  But with the MR-1 coming out, I might just have to wait and see.....

I would imagine that if you had the desire to record DSD, and picked up one of these recorders to do so, you wouldnt need a digital in.

[bgalizio]

there are only a couple of platforms such as Pyramix, Sadie, and Sonic Studios that allow you to edit DSD material.  there is also the sonoma workstation, which isnt cheap.

you cannot just burn the DSD to DVD and play anywhere...you have to get the DSD authored to SACD.

Looks cool! Now, where's my portable, affordable, 4 channel DSD recorder

Stupid side question: if you record in DSD, can you burn the DSD to a DVD and have it play on any SACD player? Also, I'm assuming there is software to edit the DSD recording (not just convert to PCM)?

Forgive me for asking, then, but what's the point of a consumer device that records to DSD? Are they hoping that consumer DSD devices will spaw affordable or free DSD editing/SACD authoring software?

[analog orange]

I just got back from AES as well.  I can vouch for the build and sound quality of both recorders.  They're both very nice, but Korg missed out on a simple feature that would make them much more valuable.  If the units themselves could act as a computer audio interface, bang- instant DSD sound card.  Who's got a DSD sound in their computer these days?  Oh well.

As far as why DSD, just look at a sine wave as described in 24/96 versus DSD.  It's the closest thing we're going to have to a noiseless 1 inch analog you can slip into your pocket.  I was about to drop a grand on the TASCAM HD-PS2.  I'm going to wait and see now. 

Cool forum, I'm finally getting back into field recording and this is a really great place.

Justin

[it-goes-to-eleven]

As far as why DSD, just look at a sine wave as described in 24/96 versus DSD.  It's the closest thing we're going to have to a noiseless 1 inch analog you can slip into your pocket.  I was about to drop a grand on the TASCAM HD-PS2.  I'm going to wait and see now. 

Welcome to TS!

And as far as why NOT DSD... How the f do you LOOK at a DSD sine wave?  I'm serious... How can I actually do it today?

I mean, give me 5 minutes and I can write an application from scratch that will read the PCM data from a wav and plot it.. Because the format is not proprietary.  I don't have to worry about how  I will read the PCM masters in 20 or 30 years. With DSD, I would always need an application that could work with the latest computer hardware and OS, etc..

Also, how are people going to playback?  I'm not giving up my squeezebox.  So that means converting everything to PCM.

Back to your original 'viz a sinewave'... Look at a 3000hz sine wave in 44.1Khz.  Even at that low frequency, very few points define the sine wave.  There is the basic question of how the DAC generates the analog output from the digital input but we're straying from the core DSD issue..

[udovdh]

As far as why DSD, just look at a sine wave as described in 24/96 versus DSD.  It's the closest thing we're going to have to a noiseless 1 inch analog you can slip into your pocket.  I was about to drop a grand on the TASCAM HD-PS2.  I'm going to wait and see now. 

And as far as why NOT DSD... How the f do you LOOK at a DSD sine wave?  I'm serious... How can I actually do it today?

So we need an open source solution to go from DSD to PCM?

[RebelRebel]

well, It has always been that even big recording houses send the raw DSD files to the mastering plants to get the SACD process done..I dont see that changing. I guess maybe this another push to get DSD out there in the world as a serious format.

there are only a couple of platforms such as Pyramix, Sadie, and Sonic Studios that allow you to edit DSD material.  there is also the sonoma workstation, which isnt cheap.

you cannot just burn the DSD to DVD and play anywhere...you have to get the DSD authored to SACD.

Looks cool! Now, where's my portable, affordable, 4 channel DSD recorder

Stupid side question: if you record in DSD, can you burn the DSD to a DVD and have it play on any SACD player? Also, I'm assuming there is software to edit the DSD recording (not just convert to PCM)?

Forgive me for asking, then, but what's the point of a consumer device that records to DSD? Are they hoping that consumer DSD devices will spaw affordable or free DSD editing/SACD authoring software?

[RebelRebel]

As far as why DSD, just look at a sine wave as described in 24/96 versus DSD.  It's the closest thing we're going to have to a noiseless 1 inch analog you can slip into your pocket.  I was about to drop a grand on the TASCAM HD-PS2.  I'm going to wait and see now. 

And as far as why NOT DSD... How the f do you LOOK at a DSD sine wave?  I'm serious... How can I actually do it today?

So we need an open source solution to go from DSD to PCM?

there is already software that does DSD___PCM downsampling. Tascam includes it with their DV_RA1000s.

Teddy