Author Topic: 24/48 .wav splitting and 2 GB limit questions (Read 7271 times)

gewwang · « **on:** July 14, 2004, 10:55:03 PM »

Ok, I'm finally going to start doing 24/48 for open taping situations.

I'm using wavelab 4.0. What is the best way to do a 2.5 hr. show? I'm guessing that I should utilize the auto split feature at the 2hr mark. But then what is the strategy for splitting into tracks and seemlessly appending the track that got split into 2 parts at the 2 hr mark?

Also, I've never used anything but cdwav to split tracks so what should I use?

While I'm at it, how do you dither in wavelab from 24/48 to 16/44? And is there any trick to using flac on 24-bit wavs? Or is it the same steps as with 16-bit wavs?

If this is already in the archive, please post the link, I looked but didn't find it.

And I know someone's going to say 'Buy a mac'. Save it. My next toy is the Sony U70.

caymanreview · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2004, 11:04:23 PM »

flacing the 24/48 wavs is the same

this is what i like to do (you could do it 16 or 24bit first, this is just what i do)
the new cd wave will support 24bit wavs now
dither/resample in wavelab
track the 16bit wavs in cd wav, save the cue sheet!!
have cd wave save them as flacs
open the 24bit wavs and use the cue sheet from the 16bit wavs and have cd wave save the 24bit masters as flac

i cant remember the exact steps to dither in wavelab, im at work. there are detailed instructions somewhere close to the top in this section

caymanreview · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2004, 11:05:14 PM »

i havent gone past 2 gigs yet, i havent had the hard drive space to go 24/96 for any long shows yet, so i havent done the auto split yet... that is soon to come though, my next show will be 24/96

Electric Cowgirl · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2004, 11:33:27 PM »

Enabling the split function in wavelabs

1- open record window

2- click on settings (right hand side) look to the right of the settings window at split argument. Click the dot for file size, set the file size to something less than 2000 MB...I use 1999MB. Click OK.

3- On the left side of the record window check the box that says split mode. It is the second to last box.

4-At the top of the record window there is a menu for file type, choose Named File. In the next window down choose where you want to save the file and name it. I reccomend clicking the automatic naming box at the top, this will add number(0, 1, 2) to the name you typed to each file.

5- Record when ready. A new file will be made after you record 1999MB of data. You can put these files back together seamlessly. Under edit, choose insert audio file -->at end.

6- Follow Dustins direction above to edit/archive.

silverbullet · « **Reply #4 on:** September 04, 2004, 06:55:48 PM »

I used the auto split feature last weekend. Worked well.

Now I'm home and have combined the two wav files for a seamless wav file but I can't save one large 24/96 wav file because Wavlab 5.0a tells me the file size is over 2 GB.

Any way around this just by using WavLab? If not, then will something like Wav Merger work and then try Wav Lab again?

caymanreview · « **Reply #5 on:** September 05, 2004, 04:52:42 PM »

just track out the first file untill towards the end with CdWave, save everything, and open the last file or tracks and append the part after the auto split onto that

that is about the only way to do it, that is how i do it anyway

creekfreak · « **Reply #6 on:** September 05, 2004, 07:40:33 PM »

will be testing this out soon myself....didn't have an autosplit feature in goldwave

caymanreview · « **Reply #7 on:** September 06, 2004, 03:40:32 AM »

the autosplit is critical in what we are all doing. while i dont use it much when doing 24/48, it is a necessity when doing 24/96

ive used it with much ease and havent had a problem except with some earlier versions of wavelab. my firewire 410 ASIO drivers wont play well with wavelab 5.0, so ive been using 4.0f that has issues witht he autosplit and just doing 24/48 for now

silverbullet · « **Reply #8 on:** September 06, 2004, 04:57:00 AM »

Quote from: caymanreview on September 05, 2004, 04:52:42 PM

just track out the first file untill towards the end with CdWave, save everything, and open the last file or tracks and append the part after the auto split onto that

that is about the only way to do it, that is how i do it anyway

Makes sense. I'll do that. +T

Quote from: caymanreview on September 06, 2004, 03:40:32 AM

my firewire 410 ASIO drivers wont play well with wavelab 5.0, so ive been using 4.0f that has issues witht he autosplit and just doing 24/48 for now

I used WavLab 5.0 and my 410 with a digital out to my stereo. I haven't come across any problems yet. Did you update your 410 drivers from m-audio.com ? I don't know much about ASIO drivers but I had my 410 with July's updated driver working out of the box with WavLab 5.0a.

caymanreview · « **Reply #9 on:** September 06, 2004, 07:24:15 AM »

so you are using the 410 with wavelab 5.0a and the 410 ASIO drivers to record? or to just playback?

i cant get the ASIO drivers to work for recording with 5/0a, when i choose the ASIO drivers everything seems fine,a nd then i hit record and the levels drop sharply off and the recording is just a flat line

at this point with my setup i HAVE to use the ASIO drivers to record to make flawless recordings, so i have been using 4.0f @ 24/48 so i dont ahev to use the auto-split (which is buggy at best on the 4.0X versions in my findings)

caymanreview · « **Reply #10 on:** September 06, 2004, 07:25:22 AM »

and yes i have the most recent up to date driver directly from m-audio's site

silverbullet · « **Reply #11 on:** September 06, 2004, 10:13:29 AM »

Quote from: caymanreview on September 06, 2004, 07:24:15 AM

so you are using the 410 with wavelab 5.0a and the 410 ASIO drivers to record? or to just playback?

I'm using my 410 for recording and playback. My recordings so far seem flawless, same with playback. I don't know anything about ASIO drivers. I'm new and have only done a few lappie recordings. I just installed, plugged in, adjusted some options in the control panel and was off.

Where or how do you want me to check to see if I'm using ASIO drivers? under what menu.

caymanreview · « **Reply #12 on:** September 06, 2004, 10:19:08 AM »

you have to specifically choose the ASIO drivers.

you have to go to your record control panel in wavelab, select the playback tab, and select the 410 ASIO drivers, this will grey out your recording tab and promp you to select the inputs/outputs for the ASIO drivers

i couldnt get it to work flawless with my new lappy w/out using the asio drivers. on my old crappy picturebook i was totally perfect for 24/96 w/out using the asio drivers

try it and see if it lets you use the asio drivers with wavelab 5....

silverbullet · « **Reply #13 on:** September 06, 2004, 12:05:45 PM »

I'll check into that on my end and report back.

In the meantime... WaveLab will burn audio dvds, right? If so, will the audio dvds be playable on the same lappie? Also, if I can't save a file more than 2 GB's then WaveLab won't let me burn a 4GB 24/96 audio cd then right?

What software are people using to burn their 24/96 recording to DVD for their dvd players? That's my next step.

silverbullet · « **Reply #14 on:** September 06, 2004, 02:43:05 PM »

As suspected, My settings were not on ASIO. My playback setting was on MME-WDM microsoft sound mapper and my recording setting was on MME-WDM M-audio FW 410 S/PDIF. Is this so terribly wrong? It all works for me to my ears but I want to learn how to record and playback correctly as well.

I found this statement on the net...

"Latency - When you get your soundcard attached to your sequencer you might notice delays when you're recording or playing back and this delay is known as latency. Buying a soundcard that supports ASIO drivers will help as these drivers are faster and are designed for this purpose. Check out this site and look for a card that is at least under 10ms.

ASIO - a standard for audio device drivers created by Steinberg. ASIO bypasses the Windows or Mac operating system, creating better communication between the audio device and the software."

When I set my playback options to ASIO I only got four channels. channel 1&2 for analog and Ch. 3&4 for S/PDIF Left and Right channel. Not sure I can make sense of this. One digital-in connection takes both left and right channels so I don't completely understand why two channels are needed for S/PDIF.

btw: I couldn't get playback to work either on ASIO with WavLab 5.0a. I'll tinker with it some more.

dklein · « **Reply #15 on:** September 07, 2004, 01:14:39 AM »

I wouldn't worry too much about not getting the ASIO drivers working. They are good for:
minimizing latency (which you don't care about)
direct monitoring (from the hardware - not going thru the pc - you probably don't care)
minimizing CPU load - if you're not having any trouble, don't worry about it

caymanreview · « **Reply #16 on:** September 07, 2004, 02:56:21 AM »

yeah you will be fine

i did 24/96 flawlessly on my picturebook w/out them, but had a few random pops/clicks w/out them with my newest lappy. so i started using them and everything is fine

they wont work with 5.0. there is something wrong with the 410 asio drivers and wavelab5.0a, i get them to work flawwlessly with any other version

you can choose more channels than just the 4, but it reccomends that you only use 4 to reduce pc load

silverbullet · « **Reply #17 on:** September 07, 2004, 05:41:33 AM »

thanks.

+T to both.

caymanreview · « **Reply #18 on:** September 07, 2004, 05:46:12 AM »

what kind of lappy are you running? i cant remember...specs?

silverbullet · « **Reply #19 on:** September 07, 2004, 05:51:51 AM »

Sony Vaio VGN-A150.

If I had to do it over again I would by a smallest VAIO unit from sony.com and upgrade the RAM and drive to DVD/RW. At the time I didn't know I could upgrade online. I was pressed for time and only found this unit acceptable.

Need to find a lappie with two bays for internal batteries as well.

I think my A150 model has a 1.5 centrino chip. The CPU usage during recoring with WavLab 5.0a is always low. Even with simulatenous recording with CDWave it was still under 28%. I'm very happy with my first lappie. Kind of large though. 15.4" screen but very nice for movies and such on the road.

caymanreview · « **Reply #20 on:** September 07, 2004, 06:56:28 AM »

if you decide you wanna unload it, my girl might take it right off your hands

silverbullet · « **Reply #21 on:** September 07, 2004, 09:51:44 AM »

Well, after I fried my first lappie last week I purchased the extra $400 for the extended warranty for the next five years. So I'm locked in I think.

Scooter · « **Reply #22 on:** September 07, 2004, 11:21:57 AM »

Quote from: silverbullet on September 04, 2004, 06:55:48 PM

I used the auto split feature last weekend. Worked well.

Now I'm home and have combined the two wav files for a seamless wav file but I can't save one large 24/96 wav file because Wavlab 5.0a tells me the file size is over 2 GB.

Any way around this just by using WavLab? If not, then will something like Wav Merger work and then try Wav Lab again?

Don't worry about saving it to one large file, use the Audio Montage mode in Wavelab and just line up your .Wav files and edit together and save the Montage. It won't actually save them as a continuos file, more like an EDL (edit decision List). It will keep all your files lined up and whatnot. Give the Audio Montage a try, it's kinda daunting at first, but it's where the real power of Wavelab lies...

mirth · « **Reply #23 on:** September 07, 2004, 12:07:26 PM »

Actually, unless BB has changed their policies the warranty should be transferrable. Take a look at the certificate they gave you when you purchased it.

silverbullet · « **Reply #24 on:** September 07, 2004, 01:45:05 PM »

I will give Montage a try. Then can I use WavLab to burn a audio-dvd?

.... I bought my Vaio at C. City (not BB). I'll probably keep it at the moment as a backup if anything else when or if I find another smaller suitable lappie.

Scooter · « **Reply #25 on:** September 07, 2004, 03:06:11 PM »

Yes, Montages are used to burn DVD-A's. You save your Montage, then use that montage in the DVD-A process.

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