Topic: cd paranoia for os x

[scb]

i've seen people ask about EAC or cd paranoia or similar things for mac os x

well, there are a few options

cd paranoia is included in xcdroast (www.xcdroast.org), although you need x11 to run it.  not a big deal, but it's kind of clunky and annoying when all you want is the extraction.  seems dumb to use an x11 program to just extract tracks

there is also the cdda2wav unix binary, which can use a paranoia library in version 2.0  to extract using paranoia mode.  this is included in the latest fink cdda2wav-beta (part of the latest cdrtools-beta) and is used via command line.  easy to use, though some people hate the command line

i've found one non x11 front end so far for cdrtools called aquaburn, though i haven't tested it yet.  if it sucks, i may write my own front end.  it wouldn't do much, and i'm pretty positive i wouldn't put burn capabilities in.  seems like a waste of my time when toast works pretty damn well for burning.

 it'd probably just do this

1. extract all tracks in a disc using paranoia mode
2. extract certain tracks using paranoia mode

that's it.  small app, but it'd do what EAC and cdparanoia do, since it *is* cd paranoia (it would use the compiled binary)

any interest?

[John Kelly]

I'd download it.

[nic]

did iTunes change their extraction routine?
iTunes does perfect DAE(or at least it did)

[scb]

itunes never had any error correction.  now it has some, but it's still nowhere near EAC or cd paranoia

[nic]

weird, for years on etree they recomended iTunes for DAE on macs as it was perfect DAE. have they now changed their recomendation?

just checked etree and they dont mention ANY cd-ripper for macs anymore.

then again, you can also use diskcopy to create a image of the cd. . .

 

[scb]

>>weird, for years on etree they recomended iTunes for DAE on macs as it was perfect DAE. have they now changed their recomendation?<<

i never remember them recommending itunes for extraction....

it used to be toast audio extractor as best bet on os 9 (though not guaranteed perfect) or xcdroast for x..

[greenone]

weird, for years on etree they recomended iTunes for DAE on macs as it was perfect DAE. have they now changed their recomendation?

just checked etree and they dont mention ANY cd-ripper for macs anymore.

It used to be Toast Audio Extractor, which has apparently gone away. The only common OS X option was iTunes so I'm not surprised if that was their recommendation. I tried Track Thief too but never had much confidence in it, and it was also OS X and only extracted to AIFF - which at the time was useless if you then want to shorten the files.

Scott, I'm all for a cdparanoia front-end that does what you describe. I've tried and failed multiple times with xcdroast - I keep getting bus errors with the latest build, although I can at least get the track listing to show up now - and I agree that firing up X11 for one function is irritating.

Is this the aquaburn you speak of?
http://homepage.mac.com/machiavel/Text/AquaCDBurn.html

Hit me up for testing/suggestions - xACT was fun...

[scb]

yeah that's the one.  i'm going to try it out tonight, and check to see if the binaries he links too contain the latest cdda2wav that has paranoia included

[nic]

props to you programmers...i cant do that stuff.
we really need a CDWave clone for Mac though!

[scb]

plenty of apps can drop in a marker and split by markers like cdwav.  they just don't do it and cut on sector boundaries.  

on a pc, you might
1. split in cdwav on sector boundaries
2. convert to shn or flac

on the mac, you can
1. split in an audio app
2. fix sector boundaries and convert to shn/flac in one step

both are 2 steps

[nic]

I know I can split in a audio app like Peak or DP, but it is a severe pain-in-the-ass and takes too much time to extract 1 region at a time
(new DP4 do all regions at the same time now? dont know as I use DP3)

on a pc i can do the same thing in SoundForge, Vegas, Wavelab, etc....but just like in the Mac apps, its 1 region at a time....CDWave does the whole set/show in the same amount of time as it takes SF, Peak, DP, Wavelab to do 1 region.
this is why I say Mac needs a CDWave clone. the Mac 2 steps take much longer than the PC 2 steps(with CDWave)

also, isnt it ideal to split on sector-boundaries rather than split THEN fix the sector boundaries?

[scb]

>>but just like in the Mac apps, its 1 region at a time.<<

huh?  look at Sound Studio or Spark ME.  

drop in markers (like cdwav) and then tell it to split by markers in sound studio, or export regions to audiofile in spark.  it writes out separate tracks based on the markers, just like in cdwav

[nic]

never used those apps...will have to look into them.


"isnt it ideal to split on sector-boundaries rather than split THEN fix the sector boundaries?"
what are your thoughts on this?


Peak and DP3 are the only audio apps I have used on Mac and when it came to tracking a show out it was always much faster to transfer to my pc then track out in CDWave.

thanks

[scb]

digital performer isn't made to do tracking stuff, it's more of a creation app than an editing app

peak just plain sucks.  i've tried to believe in peak, but steve berkley has assured me that his "flagship" piece of software will never do what i want it to by lying repeatedly to users on their bias list and user forums

spark rocks, and sound studio is pretty damn good for a shareware app too

as for your question of "isn't it ideal to split on sector boundaries to begin with?"  doesn't matter to me.  gotta do it sometime, as long as i can do it in one place i don't care where it is done.

apps that don't split on sector boundaries allow you to split exactly where you want to split, where cdwav will only let you split tracks on a multiple of 588 samples

[greenone]

"isnt it ideal to split on sector-boundaries rather than split THEN fix the sector boundaries?"
what are your thoughts on this?

Not in my experience...like Scott says, it's two steps either way you do it ("Just two easy steps...thanks, xACT!" ). As long as the program you're using to split doesn't automatically pad the sectors upon splitting (and I can't imagine why it would), the samples are all still there, and are all herded into the right sector by the shntool fix.

Peak and DP3 are the only audio apps I have used on Mac and when it came to tracking a show out it was always much faster to transfer to my pc then track out in CDWave.

Sound Studio takes maybe a minute or two to split the tracks up - and it's easy as hell to drop markers - just Command-M.

[scb]

aquaburn seems to work

[greenone]

I second the motion...surprised to see it work with my burner (since he said it failed with his QPS Que USB burner, and I have a QPS Que Firewire) but it worked with zero errors. Thumbs up from my end too.

[noahbickart]

Shouldn't one always be able to split tracks on sector boundaries in Sound Studio by setting the grid to 588 samples, and clicking "snap to grid?"

-Noah

[greenone]

Yup, that's one way...I don't think that saves after a restart, though...at least I don't think it did in earlier versions. I just drop markers wherever the hell I want and then shntool fix in xACT.

[scb]

since this topic is paranoia, i'll say that paranoia support is in the later 1.4 builds of xACT

[greenone]

Just release the damn thing already.

[RRobar]

if iTunes does not have error correction. Why do I have this box checked on the import preference? I do rememeber iTunes being mentioned on teh original etree page as well.But then I may have been dreaming.

[scb]

iTunes may have error correction, but it doesn't mean it's as good as other apps

Just release the damn thing already.

believe me, i'd like to just say "here, it's done"

but you have no idea how many people out there email me for the dumbest little things about the app, so I just want to avoid getting bombarded even more

[jpschust]

iTunes may have error correction, but it doesn't mean it's as good as other apps

Just release the damn thing already.

believe me, i'd like to just say "here, it's done"

but you have no idea how many people out there email me for the dumbest little things about the app, so I just want to avoid getting bombarded even more

can you make a smiley face pop up when things are done?  maybe a rasta smiley?  i mean if it isn't too much trouble to program i'd really like it to say my name

[scb]

yeah, and i'm working on sending commands over a USB connection to a custom Foreman so it'll make you a grilled cheese when it's done, too...

[heath]

yeah, and i'm working on sending commands over a USB connection to a custom Foreman so it'll make you a grilled cheese when it's done, too...

will it be a uber-heady virgin mary grilled cheese?

[RRobar]

iTunes may have error correction, but it doesn't mean it's as good as other apps

Just release the damn thing already.

believe me, i'd like to just say "here, it's done"

but you have no idea how many people out there email me for the dumbest little things about the app, so I just want to avoid getting bombarded even more

Understood, But I rarely extract audio discs at all these days. If I do I'm just loading it up for iTunes.

But if you build it I'd use it. xAct rules!

[MattD]

yeah, and i'm working on sending commands over a USB connection to a custom Foreman so it'll make you a grilled cheese when it's done, too...

Doesn't the mini-me already have a USB connection? Problem solved.

[jpschust]

yeah, and i'm working on sending commands over a USB connection to a custom Foreman so it'll make you a grilled cheese when it's done, too...

apparently you saw the 4/1 thinkgeek.com

[scb]

yeah, and i'm working on sending commands over a USB connection to a custom Foreman so it'll make you a grilled cheese when it's done, too...

apparently you saw the 4/1 thinkgeek.com

actually i didn't but it doesn't surprise me...hehe

[greenone]

but you have no idea how many people out there email me for the dumbest little things about the app, so I just want to avoid getting bombarded even more

Yeah, sorry about that.

[scb]

hey, you guys are constructive.  some people are just morons