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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #90 on: October 30, 2024, 07:12:56 PM »
And I am 95% certain that I can mount the Sennheiser MS pair direct to the H1 XLR device, no cables needed, to make a one-piece rig that could be put up in front of any acoustic ensemble to make a remarkably good fuss free recording...  I guess a USB power supply at the bottom of the mic stand would be prudent but still, it would be very simple.

Do you have the new mkh 8030 figure of 8 microphone. I have the 8040 cardioids and am sorely tempted.

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #91 on: October 30, 2024, 07:37:34 PM »
Do you have the new mkh 8030 figure of 8 microphone. I have the 8040 cardioids and am sorely tempted.

I’ve been desperately searching for 120 degree XLR adapters so I can plug my 8040 cardioids directly into a recorder like this Zoom and create the ultimate portable, but it seems only 90 degrees are available.
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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #92 on: October 30, 2024, 09:36:21 PM »
And I am 95% certain that I can mount the Sennheiser MS pair direct to the H1 XLR device, no cables needed, to make a one-piece rig that could be put up in front of any acoustic ensemble to make a remarkably good fuss free recording...  I guess a USB power supply at the bottom of the mic stand would be prudent but still, it would be very simple.

Do you have the new mkh 8030 figure of 8 microphone. I have the 8040 cardioids and am sorely tempted.

Sorry, no.  The last time I bought a MKH mic was in 1984.  Or thereabouts.  Expensive, but divide the cost by 40 years and the per annum figure isn't too bad...

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #93 on: October 30, 2024, 09:40:34 PM »
Do you have the new mkh 8030 figure of 8 microphone. I have the 8040 cardioids and am sorely tempted.

I’ve been desperately searching for 120 degree XLR adapters so I can plug my 8040 cardioids directly into a recorder like this Zoom and create the ultimate portable, but it seems only 90 degrees are available.

Yes!  Me too!  if you find one, with rotatable connectors, do tell me!  Meanwhile I am tending to use my Superlux S502 for tests, though of course that does require a cable.  I am also going to test a couple of Naiant omnis built into XLR connectors, using the right angle adapters, but I suspect the stereo image will be poor at best.

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #94 on: October 30, 2024, 10:35:13 PM »
Peter, are you still enjoying the recorder, or do you have any buyer's remorse. What's your thoughts and feelings of the battery life after having it for several days now? Still holding a good amount of power?
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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #95 on: November 01, 2024, 07:55:25 PM »
Peter, are you still enjoying the recorder, or do you have any buyer's remorse. What's your thoughts and feelings of the battery life after having it for several days now? Still holding a good amount of power?
Currently, personal issues are limiting my opportunities to really use the device but I will try to run a battery test today.  Generally I love it.  Downsides - slow export of normalised files - slower than real time.  But for me, not a big issue.  No M/S decoding.  Maybe they will add that.  You previously asked about changing level during recording, but in a 32 bit float device equipped only with the means to modify the a/d output, you would only want to do that if for some reason you wanted to use the recording immediately, for instance in a news broadcast.  It would be far safer to tinker with recorded levels in editing later.  So although the device can't do that, I almost regard that inability to be a positive feature.  I can't imagine ever altering the device mixer settings even before hitting the record button. Ymmv!

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #96 on: November 01, 2024, 09:28:21 PM »
Has anyone been able to determine whether the preamps in the H1 XLR are any different from those in the H1 Essential, or whether there is any reason to think the sonic performance of this new model would exceed the Essential?  If the two units have identical preamps, I'm assuming there is little reason to upgrade if you have no intention of using the XLR jacks? 

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #97 on: Yesterday at 12:16:49 AM »
Peter, are you still enjoying the recorder, or do you have any buyer's remorse. What's your thoughts and feelings of the battery life after having it for several days now? Still holding a good amount of power?
Currently, personal issues are limiting my opportunities to really use the device but I will try to run a battery test today.  Generally I love it.  Downsides - slow export of normalised files - slower than real time.  But for me, not a big issue.  No M/S decoding.  Maybe they will add that.  You previously asked about changing level during recording, but in a 32 bit float device equipped only with the means to modify the a/d output, you would only want to do that if for some reason you wanted to use the recording immediately, for instance in a news broadcast.  It would be far safer to tinker with recorded levels in editing later.  So although the device can't do that, I almost regard that inability to be a positive feature.  I can't imagine ever altering the device mixer settings even before hitting the record button. Ymmv!

Thanks for the feedback, Peter.

> You previously asked about changing level during recording, but in a 32 bit float device equipped only with the means to modify the a/d output, you would only want to do that if for some reason you wanted to use the recording immediately, for instance in a news broadcast.

Right, but Curtis says the F3 has a fader to adjust levels and the FR-AV2 does as well. The reason I ask about this is for purposes of an interview. and I know it's not practical to the purposes of taping, but Zoom calls this recorder the "record everything recorder". The idea i had in mind was two lavs. While Person A is speaking the levels on B could be lowered to mute coughs, throat clears, mhmm stuff, etc. Moving that process to post seems like the only way to handle it with this recorder.

I recall Curtis being a little dumbfounded that it doesn't have a fader but the F3 does.

I think I would trade the normalized files for M/S decoding and a fader option.
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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #98 on: Yesterday at 05:07:08 AM »
Thanks @ozpeter for your reports.

This recorder sounds like an amazing value.
If would only be using it for taping, I would get it in a heartbeat.

I am not sure the pre-amps will be quiet enough for my field recording usage, though.
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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #99 on: Yesterday at 05:59:11 AM »
I have at last sacrificed a pair of ordinary supermarket alkaline batteries.  In other words, they are unlikely to have unusual capacity.  The continuous recording from a Superlux S502 stereo mic, phantom power on, ran for 4 hours and 6 minutes.  It created two files of almost 1 hour 34  mins each, and one file of 59 mins.  But the same batteries had also done my previous tests, which perhaps accounted to 20 minutes of intermittent use.  So to record a typical live event, that's all you would need, I'd say.  Of course with more fancy batteries you'd get longer time. 

Niels, can you suggest something I could record, ideally with that Superlux mic, that might indicate whether it would be any good for field recording?  I have no immediate prospect of being able to go somewhere rural but suburban background noise after midnight would be possible, which I might get the chance to upload to YouTube in about a week.  But as you would not be familiar with the context, the environment, I am not sure it would be meaningful.  Also I only have foam covers for the mics which really don't help with actual wind noise.  Hmmm...

I do have a plan to record some music from a source connected to a Mackie mixer which has mic level outputs.  Feed in some loud music then mute the input channels of the Mackie.  What would then be recorded would be the output noise of the mixer plus the input noise of the recorder.  Then I'd normalise it, and when played back through headphones such that the music part was as loud as you'd care to listen, would the worst-case-scenario muted-source noise be audible, or rather significantly audible?  If it could be heard, the point would be moot as it would not be possible to say whether the recorder or the Mackie was creating the noise.  But if it was, in practice, silent, then that would show that self noise would not be a problem with the recorder alone, at least in the context of music recording eg classical music under concert conditions in a church or hall.

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #100 on: Yesterday at 06:50:22 AM »
And another thing... I just listened to some extracts from the 4 hour battery test recording.  When I made that, I simply rested the mic on a bed with the capsules point upwards.  I left the bedroom, and pulled the door to, not totally closing it.  Then - I was reminded listening to the recording - I went into the toilet which is a short way down the corridor from the bedroom, and... you can hear everything, blush, (and flush), including the sound of me zipping up my trousers very clearly.  Now to hear that, and later parts when you can clearly hear the sounds of people talking in the lounge at the other end of this single storey 4 bedroom house, I turned the playback volume through the headphones up to 100.   But when I later played an earlier test file of loud music recorded undistorted right up by the hifi speakers, I almost damaged my hearing.  Playback at 60 was about right for that.  So then listening to the battery life (toilet) recording on the same playback volume, (60), I could not really hear anything.  So... the available dynamic range is pretty huge, and I am finding it hard to imagine a scenario outside of the realm of specialised field recording where noise would be of the slightest significance.  In fact, I am starting to wonder whether the whole focus with modern portable recorders on their noise performance is completely misplaced.  Or my elderly hearing really is totally shot...

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #101 on: Today at 02:57:46 AM »
Niels, can you suggest something I could record, ideally with that Superlux mic, that might indicate whether it would be any good for field recording?  I have no immediate prospect of being able to go somewhere rural but suburban background noise after midnight would be possible, which I might get the chance to upload to YouTube in about a week.  But as you would not be familiar with the context, the environment, I am not sure it would be meaningful.  Also I only have foam covers for the mics which really don't help with actual wind noise.  Hmmm...

Peter, that is a very nice offer, thanks! But as you correctly point out, it will be difficult to evaluate the recording without knowledge of the environment.
I have a local acquaintance who is considering getting the H1 XLR, and I'll see if I can borrow it if he does.
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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #102 on: Today at 10:44:33 AM »
> And another thing... I just listened to some extracts from the 4 hour battery test recording.  When I made that, I simply rested the mic on a bed with the capsules point upwards.

Any chance you could share snippets of the recordings you made during the battery test?
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