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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: pillowman on October 07, 2015, 12:04:22 PM
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question: will the combo Edirol R09 (old model) > mic in > DPA4061 work ???
or do I need an extra bbox ???
thanks for time and help !!!
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pillowman
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Get a battery box.
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Sorry to hijack the thread (but this is somewhat related): For the following DPA's, that are terminated to TA4F mini XLR's, how do you connect those to 48V Phantom Power via a standard XLR cable? Is that even possible?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/952551-REG/dpa_microphones_4061_b10k_standard_sens_mini_omni.html
Would the Audio-Technica AT8538 work?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/462543-REG/Audio_Technica_AT8538_AT8538_Phantom_Power_Supply.html
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^ Pretty sure you'll need a PFA of some sort to run those with P48. Those wireless things are usually battery box type voltage.
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Sorry to hijack the thread (but this is somewhat related): For the following DPA's, that are terminated to TA4F mini XLR's, how do you connect those to 48V Phantom Power via a standard XLR cable? Is that even possible?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/952551-REG/dpa_microphones_4061_b10k_standard_sens_mini_omni.html
Would the Audio-Technica AT8538 work?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/462543-REG/Audio_Technica_AT8538_AT8538_Phantom_Power_Supply.html
The AT module steps down the voltage from 11-52V > 9V (if i remember correctly) so that would be appropriate but it has a connector for TA3 so you would have to reterminate the mics and make sure the correct signal was on the correct wire/pins.
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Gotchya, thanks Roger.
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Yeah, most similar P48(XLR)>low-voltage-adapters designed for 2-wire powering, providing 5 to 9 volts to the microphone will work, given the correct connection or adapter. Naiant, DPA, AT, Sure, Senn, Audix, Tram, Sony, Sanken, etc.. among others.
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Pillowman, It might work to plug your 4061 pair directly into the R-09 with PIP switched on, but they will not be optimally powered. I did that a few times with a few different pairs of DPAs. Some did not work at all, some did. If they do work they will have a lower maximum SPL before overload and may distort. Better to power them correctly even if they work.
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Your best option to run the TA4F terminated 4061s with P48 might be to purchase one or two PFA cables from Naiant that go from TA4M > XLR M, they would include the voltage step-down circuitry.
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I use Naiant PFAs for DPA 4060/4061/4098 as well as AT853. They work great. Jon will put whatever mini-xlr you want on them.
That solution will not work for Pillowman into an R-09 however. He'll need either a battery box or low-voltage mic-power preamp.
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Pillowman, It might work to plug your 4061 pair directly into the R-09 with PIP switched on, but they will not be optimally powered. I did that a few times with a few different pairs of DPAs. Some did not work at all, some did. If they do work they will have a lower maximum SPL before overload and may distort. Better to power them correctly even if they work.
thanks for jumping on my question ... will give it a try tonight but will run 2 rigs ;-) so everything will be fine !
happy taping 2 all !
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pillowman
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after some testing last night I can tell that this combo R09 > mic in > DPA4061 doesn't work.
everything is missing like level, dynamic, bass a.s.o.
good that I was running a second rig :-)
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cheers
pm
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Maybe for some limited number of people who only run dpa lavs and commit to not running other mics there could be a recorder mod possible to change the pip bias resistors. If this could be done it looks like no battery box would be needed.
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Maybe for some limited number of people who only run dpa lavs and commit to not running other mics there could be a recorder mod possible to change the pip bias resistors. If this could be done it looks like no battery box would be needed.
Or just get a Marantz PMD-620 off of E-Bay. They have higher PIP than most other hand helds (I think they say it's 5 volts but I measured it at 4.6). I've recorded loud music with DPA 4060's > PMD-620 with no issues. If used to record extremely loud music like stack taping, a battery box could be required though. I didn't test the combo for that.