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Offline phishn

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48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« on: February 25, 2004, 02:45:12 PM »
Ok..I have been taping at 48 Khz and for the most part have never listened to the dats directly or the 48 Khz files.  My question..If I'm mostly listening to audio cd's, and seeding shows at 44.1 Khz, am I better off recording directly to 44.1 Khz?

Second question.  If i do record to 48 Khz, which is higher quality and down sample to 44.1 Khz, will the downsampled 44.1 Khz file be a better quality than if I recorded at 44.1 Khz directly?
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2004, 02:46:17 PM »
^^ my original intention to keep 48 K files is for DVD-A.  Now that I know DVD-A starts at 24/96  what would be the advantage of recording at 48 Khz?
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2004, 02:47:48 PM »
I believe it is common practice to record at 48 kHz and then use software to > 44.1 if you plan to listen on CD.
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2004, 02:59:41 PM »
but since a resampled 48 khz file has been "messed around with" to remove "something" to get it to 44.1 khz....wouldnt it be a lower quality theoretically than just recording at 44.1 khz directly?
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2004, 03:04:45 PM »
I prefer to record at 44.1 since I do all my listening on cd. I challege anyone to tell the dif between 44.1 and 48. I know people will post they can tell but they cant
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2004, 03:09:42 PM »
Does anyone know if converting on the fly through your soundcard is any better or worse, than doing a software conversion? I always assumed that hardware conversion wasn't as accurate... ???
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2004, 03:13:48 PM »
Quote from: hoobash on February 25, 2004, 03:04:45 PM
I know people will post they can tell but they cant

That's a bold statement given you don't know anything about people's playback systems, rooms, or ears/brains.  As I've upgraded my playback system, I'm hearing things I never heard before and noticing changes in gear which according to many shouldn't have an impact.  I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find people able to hear the difference between 44.1kHz and 48kHz.  I'll bite my tongue on the rest of my comments as I used my grumpy comment of the day on Ogre Marc from Minneapoland.  :)

At any rate, I record to 44.1kHz because I [1] do all my listening on CD, [2] don't have a playback system set up for 48kHz, [3] would rather have the V3 output 44.1kHz directly than resample on my PC.
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2004, 03:15:03 PM »
I think it depends on the hardware and the software. Pro level hardware should be able to do a good job, but something like CoolEdit Pro or 2k should be just as good, but it may be slower if your system isn't really fast. I used to just record 44.1 to DAT so I didn't have to worry about it. With my JB3 I'm running a 44.1 a/d so I have no choice and I still don't worry aout it.
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2004, 03:19:47 PM »
im doing away with the dat and just bought bean's jb3...anyhows..i thought of this cause the jb3 makes things easy..recording at 44.1 makes things even easier..just track, flac, seed away.
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2004, 03:40:55 PM »
Just to echo the above sentiments...if you don't ever listen to the DATs, don't plan on storing the 48k files, or you're planning on immediately transferring to CD...just record to 44.1. That's how they'll end up anyway, no point on possibly introducing errors during the resampling.
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2004, 05:01:41 PM »
i think ill stick with 44.1 for now..and make the jump to 24/96 when the time comes.  It would be totally awesome if creative labs in the future supported 24/96 and higher bitrates possibly with firmware for the jb3..or some other new unit.  Avoiding bringing a laptop to a show is what I'm targeting for...just too many things that screw up with computers.
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2004, 02:20:52 AM »
dvds can take 48khz PCM. so i exclusively tape in 48khz and have been for a while.  you don't lose anything (except time in converting), so i figure why not.  in the future if the industry standard has a higher rate (ie 48khz) then i'm covered, if they don't and it stays at 44.1 i'll keep downsampling.
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2004, 11:33:44 AM »
Its just my opinion. I didnt mean to offend.


Quote from: Brian Skalinder on February 25, 2004, 03:13:48 PM
Quote from: hoobash on February 25, 2004, 03:04:45 PM
I know people will post they can tell but they cant

That's a bold statement given you don't know anything about people's playback systems, rooms, or ears/brains.  As I've upgraded my playback system, I'm hearing things I never heard before and noticing changes in gear which according to many shouldn't have an impact.  I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find people able to hear the difference between 44.1kHz and 48kHz.  I'll bite my tongue on the rest of my comments as I used my grumpy comment of the day on Ogre Marc from Minneapoland.  :)

At any rate, I record to 44.1kHz because I [1] do all my listening on CD, [2] don't have a playback system set up for 48kHz, [3] would rather have the V3 output 44.1kHz directly than resample on my PC.
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2004, 08:37:10 PM »
Quote from: calico on February 25, 2004, 03:09:42 PM
Does anyone know if converting on the fly through your soundcard is any better or worse, than doing a software conversion? I always assumed that hardware conversion wasn't as accurate... ???

good rule of thumb is to do software resample.
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Re:48 Khz or 44.1 Khz?
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2004, 12:03:43 AM »
even w/ a really high end playback system can you really hear the diff between 16/44.1 & 16/48?  my playback system isn't exactly high end so i can't really comment on this...i've just been wondering the same thing as phishn.  i always record @ 16/44.1 b/c i don't want to spend the extra time downsampling when i can't tell the diff.
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