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Offline Duncan

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Schoeps buying pitfalls
« on: February 16, 2015, 02:12:19 PM »
Hi Experts

I've got the chance to buy a pair of Schoeps for a good price, What should I be wary of, are there things I can check to minimise the risk

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Also how do you pronounce Schopes :-)
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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2015, 02:27:27 PM »
Check this thread out: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=100660.msg1340911#msg1340911. Might help with your second question (audio from the man himself, if the link still works)...
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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2015, 02:52:15 PM »
pronounced "Shehps"; the E is pronounced like the word "wet"
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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2015, 03:15:43 PM »
You don't specify the specific gear, but here are a couple of thoughts to start...

-  Assuming capsules are included in the purchase, you can email Germany to determine whether the capsules have been back for any reason.  That may or may not influence your evaluation of the value of the capsules.

-  If the gear is vintage, meaning it isn't in the current catalog, Schoeps may or may not still service the equipment if it needs repair.  However, in general they service what they sell.

-  In general, a pair of capsules that are sold with matching certificates when they are new cannot be assumed to still be matched if they are used.

-  Nextel grey finish seems to be more popular and have a higher demand, though I personally prefer the nickel finish since IMHO it's less prone to degrade and show age over time. 

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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2015, 05:21:13 PM »
They are CCM5s described as hardly uses

My main worry is that they are not real Schoeps (I haven't even heard of forgeries) or they are damaged in some way that I can't see

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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2015, 06:15:37 PM »
can you try before you buy?  I'd want to assure a) that levels from capsule to capsule are relatively matched, b) that the pattern selection works as advertised and consistently between capsules, and c) that neither mic makes excessive/different noises when cables are being handled.

A "quick and dirty" way to accomplish would be to set up both mics so they are close-recording a speaker in a room -- each close to the other and both pointed @ the speaker.  then record something being played from the speaker.  Then, while recording (and monitoring the recording live with headphones), switch up the capsule settings on each mic and fiddle with the wires a bit -- assuming the mics sound identical and switch between patterns cleanly, this should, at least help confirm that the mics are balanced and not obviously messed up . . ..

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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2015, 06:23:30 PM »
Quote from: dnsacks on February 16, 2015, 06:15:37 PM
can you try before you buy?  I'd want to assure a) that levels from capsule to capsule are relatively matched, b) that the pattern selection works as advertised and consistently between capsules, and c) that neither mic makes excessive/different noises when cables are being handled.

A "quick and dirty" way to accomplish would be to set up both mics so they are close-recording a speaker in a room -- each close to the other and both pointed @ the speaker.  then record something being played from the speaker.  Then, while recording (and monitoring the recording live with headphones), switch up the capsule settings on each mic and fiddle with the wires a bit -- assuming the mics sound identical and switch between patterns cleanly, this should, at least help confirm that the mics are balanced and not obviously messed up . . ..

Yes I'm defiantly going to insist on trying them before I hand over any cash and your suggested test sound good

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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2015, 06:46:06 PM »
I can't imagine there's a way for someone to forge a CCM5.  The capsules are switchable, so get your hands on them and do the suggested test and that should convince you.  Good luck!
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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2015, 06:51:53 PM »
I have probably bought more Schoeps gear of all vintages then any one else on this site. (Not counting DSatz :))

For CCM's just have the seller provide pictures and serial numbers.  Send the serial numbers to Schoeps to get any repair history, original delivery dates, and to see if they have been flagged as stolen, etc

Chances are you should be ok.


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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2015, 05:00:37 AM »
Thanks I'll do that
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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2015, 01:22:45 AM »
Quote from: H₂O on February 16, 2015, 06:51:53 PM
I have probably bought more Schoeps gear of all vintages then any one else on this site. (Not counting DSatz :))

For CCM's just have the seller provide pictures and serial numbers.  Send the serial numbers to Schoeps to get any repair history, original delivery dates, and to see if they have been flagged as stolen, etc

Chances are you should be ok.

Can you point me to where exactly I email this info to? I poked around the site but wasn't sure where to direct my question.
I am looking to buy a pair of MK41s next month, possibly used, and would like to check the serial numbers of the MK41 lot Justin has at PSS in NY (i'm sure others may have the same inquiry). I'd prefer a new matched pair but would settle for a used matched pair if the history looks good.
Thanks!
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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2015, 10:58:57 AM »
Quote from: cobiwan on February 18, 2015, 01:22:45 AM
Quote from: H₂O on February 16, 2015, 06:51:53 PM
I have probably bought more Schoeps gear of all vintages then any one else on this site. (Not counting DSatz :) )

For CCM's just have the seller provide pictures and serial numbers.  Send the serial numbers to Schoeps to get any repair history, original delivery dates, and to see if they have been flagged as stolen, etc

Chances are you should be ok.

Can you point me to where exactly I email this info to? I poked around the site but wasn't sure where to direct my question.
I am looking to buy a pair of MK41s next month, possibly used, and would like to check the serial numbers of the MK41 lot Justin has at PSS in NY (i'm sure others may have the same inquiry). I'd prefer a new matched pair but would settle for a used matched pair if the history looks good.
Thanks!

I think the email is:
service@schoeps.de

As I am at work I do not have it handy - I will check tonight to be sure - DSatz would know off the top of his head I am sure.

But should get a response buy filling out the contact form on Schoeps' website:
http://www.schoeps.de/en/contact_form

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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2015, 12:25:22 PM »
I sent my request to Bernhard Vollmer at Schoeps, who responded promptly.

Bernhard Vollmer
Senior Customer Service & Quality Control
Phone +49-721-9432021
E-mail vollmer@schoeps.de
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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2015, 01:00:32 PM »
One pitfall for me was I can't stop buying schoeps gear!!  The wife loves that
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Re: Schoeps buying pitfalls
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2015, 02:41:45 PM »
Quote from: jbell on February 18, 2015, 01:00:32 PM
One pitfall for me was I can't stop buying schoeps gear!!  The wife loves that

Cool, at least you know why she loves you.  ;)
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