Topic: vert or T bar?

[hayduke]

just wondering if i'd be better off picking up a shure vert bar over a T bar? am i right that the vert bar will give me more options? i'll be using C4s with the shock mounts....thanks!

[caymanreview]

im a big fan of the vert bar.

what shocks you running?

[hayduke]

newer stock models that came with the C4s i believe (haven't actually arrived yet...)
love your avatar!

[Scooter]

IMO you get more of a variety of options w/ the vert bar than w/ the t-bar.  i have both, and 90% of the time i use the vert bar.  but if you are running LD mics, or using really big shox, then the t-bar may be a better call.

[Brian Skalinder]

IMO you get more of a variety of options w/ the vert bar than w/ the t-bar.

How so?  Both support coincident and near-coincident techniques (XY, ORTF, DIN, Blumlein) with infinite variability of included angle and horizontal spacing (granted with a max horz spacing limit).  I don't believe one provides more options than the other, I think it's purely personal preference - and I happen to prefer the AKG / K&M t-bar.  'Course, I haven't used one since I got my Kwonbars.

[Scooter]

IMO you get more of a variety of options w/ the vert bar than w/ the t-bar.

How so?  Both support coincident and near-coincident techniques (XY, ORTF, DIN, Blumlein) with infinite variability of included angle and horizontal spacing (granted with a max horz spacing limit).  I don't believe one provides more options than the other, I think it's purely personal preference - and I happen to prefer the AKG / K&M t-bar.  'Course, I haven't used one since I got my Kwonbars.

because you can flip the pieces of the vert bar to get diff spacing between the threaded parts that the shox attach to.  and you don't need risers to go near-coincident like you do w/ the t-bar when using certain mics.  and w/ large vertical spacing, you can achieve configs that the t-bar just won't do.

[keepongoin]

IMO you get more of a variety of options w/ the vert bar than w/ the t-bar.

How so?  Both support coincident and near-coincident techniques (XY, ORTF, DIN, Blumlein) with infinite variability of included angle and horizontal spacing (granted with a max horz spacing limit).  I don't believe one provides more options than the other, I think it's purely personal preference - and I happen to prefer the AKG / K&M t-bar.  'Course, I haven't used one since I got my Kwonbars.

i carry a K&M stereo bar, a 3-foot wide T bar, and vert bar with bcosigan LD mod with me to most shows.

[Brian Skalinder]

because you can flip the pieces of the vert bar to get diff spacing between the threaded parts that the shox attach to.

Okay, so you can achieve greater vertical distancing between the shock mounting points.  But I think that's more a result of the different design than a functional plus or minus.

and you don't need risers to go near-coincident like you do w/ the t-bar when using certain mics.

Risers are cheap and easy.  Alternatively, just run one mount upside-down on the t-bar.

and w/ large horizontal spacing

I think you mean vertical spacing?  See comment above re vertical spacing.

you can achieve configs that the t-bar just won't do.

What configs are you able to do with your vert bar that are not possible with a t-bar?

[hayduke]

thanks for the input! think i'll start with the T at around $20 rather than the vert that's like $50 more and maybe try to DIY a vert....

[Tim]

IMO you get more of a variety of options w/ the vert bar than w/ the t-bar.

How so? Both support coincident and near-coincident techniques (XY, ORTF, DIN, Blumlein) with infinite variability of included angle and horizontal spacing (granted with a max horz spacing limit). I don't believe one provides more options than the other, I think it's purely personal preference - and I happen to prefer the AKG / K&M t-bar. 'Course, I haven't used one since I got my Kwonbars.

no doubt

that shure bar sucks... it's heavy and bulky and expensive. I've never understood why people use the vert bar.

[Brian]

IMO you get more of a variety of options w/ the vert bar than w/ the t-bar.

How so? Both support coincident and near-coincident techniques (XY, ORTF, DIN, Blumlein) with infinite variability of included angle and horizontal spacing (granted with a max horz spacing limit). I don't believe one provides more options than the other, I think it's purely personal preference - and I happen to prefer the AKG / K&M t-bar. 'Course, I haven't used one since I got my Kwonbars.

no doubt

that shure bar sucks... it's heavy and bulky and expensive. I've never understood why people use the vert bar.

because it's better than the t-bar

[Scooter]

because you can flip the pieces of the vert bar to get diff spacing between the threaded parts that the shox attach to.

Okay, so you can achieve greater vertical distancing between the shock mounting points.  But I think that's more a result of the different design than a functional plus or minus.

and you don't need risers to go near-coincident like you do w/ the t-bar when using certain mics.

Risers are cheap and easy.  Alternatively, just run one mount upside-down on the t-bar.

and w/ large horizontal spacing

I think you mean vertical spacing?  See comment above re vertical spacing.

you can achieve configs that the t-bar just won't do.

What configs are you able to do with your vert bar that are not possible with a t-bar?

look man, i'm not trying to start a war here.  i'm not even trying to convince anyone that a vert bar is better than a t-bar.  it's better for me for the reasons listed.  as i posted, it depends on what you're running.  as i said, i have both.  i'm just stating my opinion.  Me personaly, i happen to like my vert bar better.  it's all in the eye of user.  certain things that may seem like pluses to you, are minuses to me and vice versa.

[spyder9]

Brian,

Can the K&M T-bar handle the weight of the AKG 414s?

[Brian]

+T scooter, skalinder likes to make people sweat sometimes.  you know you are in the hot seat when he takes the time to break your posts down like that and keeps asking "why?"

[Brian]

Brian,

Can the K&M T-bar handle the weight of the AKG 414s?

it can handle U87's if that tells you anything.


so.....yes