Topic: vert or T bar?

[spyder9]

+T 

[Brian]

backatcha

[Tim]

Brian,

Can the K&M T-bar handle the weight of the AKG 414s?

it held my u89s just fine

[Brian Skalinder]

look man, i'm not trying to start a war here.  i'm not even trying to convince anyone that a vert bar is better than a t-bar.

I'm not trying to start a post-war either, I'm just trying to understand your comments re the vert bar.  I simply addressed your comments with my own:  the first, addressing design but not functional differences (which although plays into personal preference for usability, does not, I believe, impact configurability);  the second, indicating risers are cheap, easy, and not always necessary with the t-bar (to ensure potential users are aware of how easily this "problem" (or non-problem, as the case may be) is solved);  the third, clarifying whether you meant horz spacing as indicated, or actually meant vert spacing (I still think you meant vert spacing, yes?);  and the fourth, a perfectly valid question regarding config setup.  All perfectly appropriate comments and questions, IMO.  Apologies if I came across short or personally attacking, that was not my intent.

it's better for me for the reasons listed.  as i posted, it depends on what you're running.  as i said, i have both.  i'm just stating my opinion.  Me personaly, i happen to like my vert bar better.  it's all in the eye of user.  certain things that may seem like pluses to you, are minuses to me and vice versa.

Yup, agreed, we all have personal preferences.  But the main point of your post that triggered my question re configs is not a matter of opinion, but a factual matter, i.e. whether the vert bar offers greater variety in config setup is not an opinion, it's a factual issue.  The vert bar either offers greater variety, or it doesn't.  Aside from the option to achieve greater vertical spacing with the vert bar - which to the best of my knowledge doesn't have an impact on any of the stereo configurations we use - I'm still curious in regards to this comment...

you can achieve configs that the t-bar just won't do.

...about the question I asked but to which I have not received an answer:

What configs are you able to do with your vert bar that are not possible with a t-bar?

Either the vert bar supports more / different configs than a t-bar, or it doesn't.  As far as I know, it doesn't.  But I could be wrong, and if I am I'm genuinely interested in learning if and how it does offer greater variety.

[Tim]

can you run NOS with the vert bar?

[Tall Adam]

probably depends on the mics/shocks. I can just barely get to NOS w/ my homemade vert bar, but its 1" thick PVC...real vert bars are skinnier. If you push your mics all the way forward in the shocks its probably possible w/ most any mics.

[Brian]

can you run NOS with the vert bar?

i don't have sub-cards

but good point.  i'm not sure how wide you can get with the supermounts.  as a matter of fact i'll go measure now for the hell of it  i have both but never really use the k&m bar.  i'd use it for clamping though, which i haven't done since i've had my oktavas.  now that i have SD's again(483s) it will get busted out.  

[Brian]

with my adks. capsule 2 capsule with the standard mounts was 24cm.  i 've misplaced my supermounts.  i don't think they are too much wider than the regular mounts so i'm not sure if they make it to 30cm either.

i got to 30cm easily with my akgs' on the vert bar.  too bad they don't make a subcard cap for the 480 series.  or a bidirectional cap for that matter too.  the neumann km100 and schoeps cmc6 lines are smaller so i'm not sure if they make it to 30cm on a vert bar with the bodies.  then again i'm seeing more tapers run the actives so that might be a moot point if they get all the bars.

[nickgregory]

I would recommend the vark bar...a t bar with risers and in the same price range as the vert bar...and oh yeah, weighs a LOT less...the vert bar is ok, but I would choose something lighter, yet does the same thing, every time.

[admkrk]

"i" can get a wider variety of configureations from my vert bar. also i can change much faster if i feel i need to at the last min. it doesn't give me the option of running 3 mic setup like my t bar does though.

[Brian Skalinder]

"i" can get a wider variety of configureations from my vert bar.

I'll pose the same question to you, admkrk - what configs are you able to accomplish with the vert bar that are not possible with the t-bar?

[F.O.Bean]

ive owned 3 tbars, the vert bar, the akg bar, and the sambra tbar, once i bought the shure vert bar, i never looked back, in fact, i bought my vert bar off of skalinder

[admkrk]

"i" can get a wider variety of configureations from my vert bar.

I'll pose the same question to you, admkrk - what configs are you able to accomplish with the vert bar that are not possible with the t-bar?

without trying to remember names, using my nt5s, i can just bearly get one (true) coincident configureation. works grate for spreading them 90% (once again i can't remember the metric convertions) w/ nak 301 in the middle. i'm usualy walking in to a venue blind. never been there and don't know were i'll end up, usualy running late to boot. i can pre-set the vert to what i think will work best and throw it up fairly quick. if i deside i want to change, once i'm set up, i can go from coinsident to near in a snap. granted, i could just leave the one mount upside down on the t and still do the same, it just seems faster and easier w/ the vert.

useing longer mics, like the naks, there is probly less of a problem. i just see a lot more flexability w/ a vert bar

 

[Brian Skalinder]

without trying to remember names, using my nt5s, i can just bearly get one (true) coincident configureation.

With the NT5s - since they're fixed cards, and roughly the same size as other similar SD mics - the only true coincident technique applicable is XY, which IME is easy to set up with a t-bar.  The other coincident techniques - MS, Blumlein - require different polar patterns and don't apply to the NT5s.

i just see a lot more flexability w/ a vert bar

Glad you dig it!  It's clear that some prefer the vert bar.

But it's also becoming clear to me that the reasons people prefer the vert bar are purely personal, not because it's any more functional than a t-bar in achieving mic configs we use in the field.  This has been my point all along - to claim preference is one thing, to claim it's a more capable mount is another.  I don't believe the latter is true and would appreciate anyone who can tell me what mic config the vert bar is capable of that a t-bar is not.

[admkrk]

But it's also becoming clear to me that the reasons people prefer the vert bar are purely personal, not because it's any more functional than a t-bar in achieving mic configs we use in the field.  This has been my point all along - to claim preference is one thing, to claim it's a more capable mount is another.  I don't believe the latter is true and would appreciate anyone who can tell me what mic config the vert bar is capable of that a t-bar is not.

yer probly right there, but, just like people perfering diferent configureations, different rigs, ect.  it all boils down to what works best for you and your set-up.

   kirk