Topic: Tracking your shows *POLL*.

[Genghis Cougar Mellen Khan]

Just curious... 

[bhtoque]

I like to keep the song intros on the same track as the song itself, but if there is a really long intro, or lots of tuning or crowd noise between the core of the intro and the start of the song I'll split it into two tracks and list the short intro as intro or banter, so you can skip to the music if you want.

JAson

[F.O.Bean]

a little of both 1 and 2

[Genghis Cougar Mellen Khan]

I like to keep the song intros on the same track as the song itself, but if there is a really long intro, or lots of tuning or crowd noise between the core of the intro and the start of the song I'll split it into two tracks and list the short intro as intro or banter, so you can skip to the music if you want.

JAson

I've done that a few times, where I get hung up usually is if I should split tracks when one song rolls right into another.  If I can leave them as one track and it's not super long I'll leave them together and just note it in with > in the .txt file.

[MattD]

For me it depends on the importance of the intro and how long it is. If it's just "This is <title>," I'll leave it at the end of the previous track. If they actually talk about what they're about to play, then I might track it separately. I like my tracks to be about the music, so when I skip around in my playlist, I don't have to wait through an intro to listen to the song.

[nic]

For me it depends on the importance of the intro and how long it is. If it's just "This is <title>," I'll leave it at the end of the previous track. If they actually talk about what they're about to play, then I might track it separately. I like my tracks to be about the music, so when I skip around in my playlist, I don't have to wait through an intro to listen to the song.

same here. if the banter is a minute or more, then I'll track it out seperately

[F.O.Bean]

For me it depends on the importance of the intro and how long it is. If it's just "This is <title>," I'll leave it at the end of the previous track. If they actually talk about what they're about to play, then I might track it separately. I like my tracks to be about the music, so when I skip around in my playlist, I don't have to wait through an intro to listen to the song.

same here

[bhtoque]

I guess how you listen to it comes into play.

I usually listen start to finish, then never play a show again. I guess If I were searaching a disc for a few songs, I'd track at the song start too.

As far as songs that run together, I'll split them unless doing so splits a strong note or a drum beat. With really jammy shows I split the track as soon as I spot the theme shift from one to the next.

JAson

[bconnolly]

I lke to randomly create the sbe's, just to piss off the computer guys.

You bastard...

[Genghis Cougar Mellen Khan]

I lke to randomly create the sbe's, just to piss off the computer guys.

 

+T for being a prick 

 

[nameloc01]

 i dont  mark tracks while recording,i do during md>cdr1 transfers.immediately after a tune well before another starts.

[stigs]

i split up as much as possible. makes things interesting for singer/songwriters who like to talk a lot 

Disc One:

01. "setlist problems"
02. Weight of It All !
03. Pretty the World
04. "sweet love"
05. Fall to Pieces
06. "stop smoking"
07. Curve of the Earth
08. "bent intro"
09. Bent > Such Great Heights (Postal Service tag)
10. "new songs"
11. Car Crash
12. "special place"
13. Lost Myself in Search of You
14. "the ultimate equalizer"
15. Laid (James cover)
16. Amazing Again <> With or Without You (U2 tag)


Disc Two:

01. "my brother went to duquesne"
02. "we'll recover > big foot"
03. We'll Recover @
04. "string section"
05. Little Victories @
06. "the wonderboys"
07. Sad Songs
08. Lucky Boy > I Want You to Want Me (Cheap Trick tag)
09. "steel working people"
10. Sing Me Sweet
11. "battle rap"
12. Detroit Waves
13. "band introductions"
14. "sing-along instructions"
15. Answering Machine
16. "encore break"
17. Bulletproof Weeks @
18. Suspended @
19. "goodbye"

[Ed.]

all banter goes on previous tracks and i usually start the new track when the song starts or at the beginning of a short intro.

for me, it really sucks if you're searching for a song on a disc and theres banter before the song starts so you keep skipping by it when you're driving and the roads are icy and its snowing and their are old people everywhere in cars and not in cars

[greenone]

For me it depends on the importance of the intro and how long it is. If it's just "This is <title>," I'll leave it at the end of the previous track. If they actually talk about what they're about to play, then I might track it separately. I like my tracks to be about the music, so when I skip around in my playlist, I don't have to wait through an intro to listen to the song.

I don't want to wait through intros either, so I always start when the music starts, but...why track banter separately? Do folks really skip to specific banter tracks?

[stigs]

its more the opposite for me. sometimes i just want the songs. in the case of the tracking i posted, most of those banter tracks are a couple minutes long.

[tapeworm48]

i'll usually wait for the drum-click-tracks and start it there.  if the intro is only a couple seconds before, then i will include.  i usually dont separate banter tracks, unless its some longer story w/ some music riffs/tease.

[SparkE!]

I'll include the pre-song introduction as long as it's not too long.  If it's way too long, I'll track it out as a separate track.  That way, you can leave it out or skip over it if you want to.  Just hit the >> button.

[spyder9]

I always track-out 3 seconds before each song starts.   

I never track out the crowd banter.  Especially do not track out the banter before the encore.   But I do track out the Band Introductions, because they were the ones that created the magic.

[willndmb]

imo it is better to over track mark then under
for example if you have a intro > song and you are unsure, track the intro and song as 2
that way you can listen to the whole thing or just the song if you want to skip the intro

[F.O.Bean]

imo it is better to over track mark then under
for example if you have a intro > song and you are unsure, track the intro and song as 2
that way you can listen to the whole thing or just the song if you want to skip the intro

I do this ALOT for moe as a matter of facxt

they commonly do a long intro into a few songs that sound really nothing like the actual song, so i name that Mexico Intro > Mexico for exaple, just cause i LOVE how Mexico kicks in for real its our own little taper touych, and you can bet at the EXACT right note/s that the real mexico kicks in is PERFECT IMO

[pfife]

I just track right before the song begins.  All banter is just at the end of the previous track.

[mmmatt]

I track opening comments as "intro" then start each song at the first note of the actual song.  On the split to D2 (if it is still the first set) I put a little banter in the front of the track so you don't get hit with music instantly.  For a long musical intro into a song (one that is not typical to the song) I will usualy track it out as "jam" and I will usually split segue songs when I first start to recognise the next song or pull a jam out of the middle if it is a long segue.  If I don't know the band I don't track out much of the jam/musical intro stuff.

Matt

[terrapinj]

I just track right before the song begins.  All banter is just at the end of the previous track.

[grider]

good poll, this is a pet peeve of mine, when I fast forward to a particular track I want to hear ***that*** track not fifteen seconds of yahoos yelling out their request and then ***that*** track; the worst example of this is Dave Matthews Band shows, it seems like most of the live DMB shows I get have a minute, or two minutes if you can believe it, of just general crowd noise to begin the recording before Dave greets the crowd, which makes me wonder why the hell would anyone track a recording this way? its just ridiculous and a complete wast of the listeners time to have to labor through that white noise, other than perhaps introducing the listener to "that" nights venue ambience and personality, which is crazy and simply a nuisance, just keep it simple and track when the number actually begins gets my vote on the tracking issue

[Gedit]

if the intro is short and precedes the song by only a few secs, it'll stay in the song, otherwise it gets pushed out as a banter.

^As far as songs that run together, I'll split them unless doing so splits a strong note or a drum beat. With really jammy shows I split the track as soon as I spot the theme shift from one to the next

same here .. and tracking the seamless transitions that some jammies do is a freaking art. everyone has a different way to guage the perfect moment.