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Title: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: peterbilt on February 09, 2005, 12:48:55 PM
I need to build 3 cables to run from my mics to a mixer. The mixer has 1/4" in's that are unbalanced. I am planning to use neutrik XLR's, canare cable...but the 1/4" plugs I'm curious about. Could someone please describe the differences betwen TS and TRS, and suggest some that would be appropriate for this cable?
I have the .pdf that was posted with the schematics for building balanced/unbalanced cables, but I would appreciate any advice on the proper 1/4" plugs.


Also, does anyone know if the out's on the Nak MX100 are balanced or not? I'm going to need to build some cables for that as well to run to my A/D (AD20).

Thanks folks!
Title: Re: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: hexyjones on February 09, 2005, 12:54:53 PM
TR = 2 conductors
TRS = 3 conductors

You will want TS plugs for this...I cant really recommend any particular brand...

The ins and outs on the MX-100 are unbalanced...
Title: Re: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: nickgregory on February 09, 2005, 12:58:06 PM
I used switchcraft connectors when I made identical cables
Title: Re: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: bluegrass_brad on February 09, 2005, 12:59:17 PM
TR = Tip/Ring (2 conductors)
TRS = Tip/Ring/Sleeve (3 conductor, can be balanced)

TS Connector:
(http://g-force.info/images/TS.png)


TRS connector:
(http://g-force.info/images/TRS.png)
Title: Re: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: admkrk on February 09, 2005, 09:31:00 PM
I need to build 3 cables to run from my mics to a mixer. The mixer has 1/4" in's that are unbalanced. I am planning to use neutrik XLR's, canare cable...but the 1/4" plugs I'm curious about. Could someone please describe the differences betwen TS and TRS, and suggest some that would be appropriate for this cable?
I have the .pdf that was posted with the schematics for building balanced/unbalanced cables, but I would appreciate any advice on the proper 1/4" plugs.


Also, does anyone know if the out's on the Nak MX100 are balanced or not? I'm going to need to build some cables for that as well to run to my A/D (AD20).

Thanks folks!

tr is unbalanced
trs is either balanced or stereo(unbalanced)

which pdf did you find for bal/unbal? i'm in the same boat, but since the latest melt down i'm not able to locate the one i want. pin outs don't match for what i have. if i was smarter, i could figure it out on my own, but i'm not.
Title: Re: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: peterbilt on February 09, 2005, 09:38:30 PM
See..SEE!

THIS is why I love this board! really, thanks for the info!

the pdf i grabbed is the one that, um..., well I can't remember who upoaded it, but I'll upload it again ( if i can).
Title: Re: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: leegeddy on February 09, 2005, 11:59:33 PM
I need to build 3 cables to run from my mics to a mixer. The mixer has 1/4" in's that are unbalanced. I am planning to use neutrik XLR's, canare cable...but the 1/4" plugs I'm curious about. Could someone please describe the differences betwen TS and TRS, and suggest some that would be appropriate for this cable?
I have the .pdf that was posted with the schematics for building balanced/unbalanced cables, but I would appreciate any advice on the proper 1/4" plugs.


Also, does anyone know if the out's on the Nak MX100 are balanced or not? I'm going to need to build some cables for that as well to run to my A/D (AD20).

Thanks folks!

you'll need a standard mono 1/4" plug. i use Canare F-15:

(http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/non-microphones/f15.GIF)

for the xlr, Neutrik NC3FX-B

for wiring, i suggest the Canare GS-6 or Starquad

pin assignments:

XLR:     1/4"
Pin1 >  shield
Pin2 >  tip (hot)
Pin3 >  shield

marc
Title: Re: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: keepongoin on February 11, 2005, 12:35:58 PM
(http://www.neutrik.com/images/ock/products/view/210_741290518.jpg)

for mono 1/4 inch plugs, I used the neutrik NP2X-B
Title: Re: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: peterbilt on February 11, 2005, 12:39:33 PM
yup, that's what I ordered!

unfortunately, this cold I caught was NOT placed with yesterdays order! :(
Title: Re: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: peterbilt on February 15, 2005, 01:26:10 PM
Well I received my order last night and believe it or not i think I only have one more question! ::)
The tip/ring setup of these Neutrik's are quite different from the Whirlwind cable I looked at that I have and I just need a bit of clarification before I proceed.

I am going to use the smaller section in the middle of the connector as the tip, and the inside of the larger outer portion as the ring, yes?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/peterbilt/100_0071.jpg)

Thanks again for everyone's input!
B.
Title: Re: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: bluegrass_brad on February 15, 2005, 01:28:49 PM
You got it.  Now solder away! :D
Title: Re: another first for me XLR>1/4" cables?
Post by: peterbilt on February 15, 2005, 01:32:12 PM
You got it.  Now solder away! :D

It's like friggin' Christmas over here! ;D