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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: it-goes-to-eleven on May 06, 2009, 10:13:39 AM
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Prt THREE is here:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,109564.0.html
PART TWO is here:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,105893.0.html
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...and PART 1 is here
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100541.0.html
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subscribing....
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Did anyone else here get the email special from sound pros today, until midnight tonight only, for the Edirol R-09HR at $299.00! I just got/read this email, contemplating going for it...
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Did anyone else here get the email special from sound pros today, until midnight tonight only, for the Edirol R-09HR at $299.00! I just got/read this email, contemplating going for it...
Do it, you won't regret it!!!!
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I did it! YAHOOOO! Got in just under the wire: Order Date: 2009-05-06 23:46:54.
The sale time has timed out now, but I hope it was not inappropriate for me to publicly post that coupon special email I got. I've seen Chris post on this board.
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it was posted here already...
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,121460.0.html
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Someone already got troubles with the new firmware 1.06-version?? :P
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Someone already got troubles with the new firmware 1.06-version?? :P
Seems to be working for me so far. What kind of problem are you having?
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Someone already got troubles with the new firmware 1.06-version?? :P
Seems to be working for me so far. What kind of problem are you having?
Well, I haven't updated yet..
Lots of people had troubles with the 1.05-version in the past, except me..
Since I updated the 1.05 pretty fast after it came out, I was wondering if with this new
1.06-version already some people were having difficulties..
I got a gig coming up next week, so I want to sure the 1.06-version is reliable.
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So we've been chatting on the nbox thread about distortion on the r09HR. The original r09 sounds good unless you run it below trim setting 8. At that point heavy bass distorts and it gets worse as the trim is lowered further. The recorder doesn't clip, just distorts.
That is a Huge pain for me because it means the r09 can't take a very hot signal. So I can't run it in certain situations and combinations. I had hoped the r09HR was better in that regard.
An nbox user reported mediocre sound and 'crunchy' bass on his r09HR.... His reports suggest the HR suffers from the same issue when trim is reduced. I think he said the problem happened around setting 20.
The r09 problem can be easily reproduced on the bench.. Wondering if anyone has tried with the HR.
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R09 at 4, 5 or 6 all the time. No noticable problems.
R09HR at 20 means about 18.5 dBu! Why would a 'pre' need to make the signal that hot so that the HR can attenuate it afterwards?
I bet you could run without pre.
So perhaps it is a non-issue.
Still it is interesting to know if these claims about distortion can be verified in a controlled manner.
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R09 at 4, 5 or 6 all the time. No noticable problems. R09HR at 20 means about 18.5 dBu! Why would a 'pre' need to make the signal that hot so that the HR can attenuate it afterwards?
I bet you could run without pre.
So perhaps it is a non-issue.
Next time I'll tell J. Mascis that his guitar is too loud and he doesn't need so many amps and cabinets. I'm guessing he'll say something about being too old.
The 7xx recorders can take a +26dBu signal.
Still it is interesting to know if these claims about distortion can be verified in a controlled manner.
Originated and verified the "claims" years ago on the r09, so old news.
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Just curious. Why using such low setting ( below 8 for the R-09 or below 20 for the R-09HR)?
Considering unity gain is around 13 (R-09) and 40 (R-09HR), as far as my lack of knowledge goes, it has something to do with digital attenuation ( when a recorder receives hot signal from preamp ), which I'm told is not a good thing.
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R09 at 4, 5 or 6 all the time. No noticable problems. R09HR at 20 means about 18.5 dBu! Why would a 'pre' need to make the signal that hot so that the HR can attenuate it afterwards?
I bet you could run without pre.
So perhaps it is a non-issue.
Next time I'll tell J. Mascis that his guitar is too loud and he doesn't need so many amps and cabinets. I'm guessing he'll say something about being too old.
The 7xx recorders can take a +26dBu signal.
Still it is interesting to know if these claims about distortion can be verified in a controlled manner.
Originated and verified the "claims" years ago on the r09, so old news.
The 7xx recorders are also much more expensive.
Do any of these small recorders allow for a really hot input signal (without digital attenuation)?
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Just curious. Why using such low setting ( below 8 for the R-09 or below 20 for the R-09HR)?
Considering unity gain is around 13 (R-09) and 40 (R-09HR), as far as my lack of knowledge goes, it has something to do with digital attenuation ( when a recorder receives hot signal from preamp ), which I'm told is not a good thing.
8 on the R09 and 20 on the HR are quite far apart in dBu's. So they're not both 'low'.
Where is digital attenuation on the 09 and HRs?
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R09 at 4, 5 or 6 all the time. No noticable problems. R09HR at 20 means about 18.5 dBu! Why would a 'pre' need to make the signal that hot so that the HR can attenuate it afterwards?
I bet you could run without pre.
So perhaps it is a non-issue.
Next time I'll tell J. Mascis that his guitar is too loud and he doesn't need so many amps and cabinets. I'm guessing he'll say something about being too old.
The 7xx recorders can take a +26dBu signal.
The HR 28 dBu. So what does that say? The signal does not need to be that hot.
Your mics are too sensitive, your pre is working too much, etc.
Still it is interesting to know if these claims about distortion can be verified in a controlled manner.
Originated and verified the "claims" years ago on the r09, so old news.
I need more accurate stuff than that.
I.e.: this generated signal at level X going into the recorder at setting Y gives Z distortion.
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udo, if you don't know how the microphones and preamps we are using operate, why post? your dismissive responses here, and in the tail end of the part 3 thread are adding absolutely nothing to the discussion.
Well..
A problem is diagnosed.
Then additional infos become available: unusually high levels that could, technically, be avoided.
That is the case. I am not saying the problems are not real. I just want to know and understand better.
there are definitely problems with at least a couple of gear combinations, and possibly more, when using the r09hr as a capture device.
1) mics > eaa psp2 > r09hr
2) schoeps mk(x) > remote cables > nbox > r09hr
freelunch and i both own an eaa psp2, which at it's lowest setting outputs ~22db of gain.
That may be 22 dB's too much in some situations. Agree?
the other preamp i, and others use with our schoeps mk(x) capsules, is called an nbox. it is a boutique, custom built unit which provides power to the schoeps mk(x) capsues, as well as provides a fixed gain of ~18db. it interfaces with the capsules via proprietary remote cables which can only be used with the nbox, so swapping the power source / preamp out of the chain is not an option.
Yes, but the sometimes unnecessary gain is again a problem. Agree?
i for one, am not going to get rid of either preamp because they operate and sound great, and their design is not flawed, like you suggest. if the r09hr proves to be a deck that cannot handle their output, i'll simply buy a deck that will.
Sure, I can understand.
the flattened wav files only happen in very loud situations and it is a big deal to some of us since recordings are getting ruined because of it. the mics are not too sensitive, like you suggest and the preamps are not overloading. the r09hr cannot handle their output when it's set under a certain point, which we have not verified, yet.
Now that point is the interesting thing to know. Same for the 09.
if you don't want to help us find that setting, please move on.
How can I help? PC, amplifier, voltmeter, recorder?
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Just curious. Why using such low setting ( below 8 for the R-09 or below 20 for the R-09HR)?
Considering unity gain is around 13 (R-09) and 40 (R-09HR), as far as my lack of knowledge goes, it has something to do with digital attenuation ( when a recorder receives hot signal from preamp ), which I'm told is not a good thing.
8 on the R09 and 20 on the HR are quite far apart in dBu's. So they're not both 'low'.
Where is digital attenuation on the 09 and HRs?
R09: 0 to 30 trim.
R-09HR: 0 to 80 trim.
So 8 on the R09 and 20 on the R-09HR are indeed low, no matter what.
I don't know about dBu's, but I've never set either set my R-09 or R-09HR at such levels.
That's why I was asking in the first place.
Digital attenuation? I'n no expert, but, theoretically, anything below unity gain.
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R09: 0 to 30 trim.
R-09HR: 0 to 80 trim.
So 8 on the R09 and 20 on the R-09HR are indeed low, no matter what.
Not low according to some fancy numbers that Edirol put on there.
But low according to the parameter that the levels control: amplification and/or attenuation.
I.o.w.: what signal is needed for 0dBFS? Check the gain ranges the decks support.
I don't know about dBu's, but I've never set either set my R-09 or R-09HR at such levels.
It depends on the gear. And on the situation.
The combination of stuff (deck, mic, etc) makes more or less sense, depending on the situation.
In this case people see unusually high gain signals coming out of their pre. The deck can't take it well enough, and then it's maybe the deck's fault.
Apart from how much you like your gear you also have to look at stuff in a practical way.
If the average deck takes only such and such levels and more expensive machinery maybe has your gain setting at the far end of the dial...
Maybe you need to look into adjusting something.
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Edirol is a -10 consumer input and those other pres mentioned are most likely pro +4 outputs,
why not pad down the outputs before going to edirol?
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R09: 0 to 30 trim.
R-09HR: 0 to 80 trim.
So 8 on the R09 and 20 on the R-09HR are indeed low, no matter what.
Not low according to some fancy numbers that Edirol put on there.
But low according to the parameter that the levels control: amplification and/or attenuation.
I.o.w.: what signal is needed for 0dBFS? Check the gain ranges the decks support.
I don't know about dBu's, but I've never set either set my R-09 or R-09HR at such levels.
It depends on the gear. And on the situation.
The combination of stuff (deck, mic, etc) makes more or less sense, depending on the situation.
In this case people see unusually high gain signals coming out of their pre. The deck can't take it well enough, and then it's maybe the deck's fault.
Apart from how much you like your gear you also have to look at stuff in a practical way.
If the average deck takes only such and such levels and more expensive machinery maybe has your gain setting at the far end of the dial...
Maybe you need to look into adjusting something.
My only point is: if a taper has a hot signal in the first place ( I mean, the music coming from stage/PA) he just doesn't need to run a preamp in front of the record and therefore attenuate this signal using the recorder. To me, this is not a matter of how hot a signal a recorder can take. The question is: why are you sending such a hot signal to your recorder when you don't need to do that?
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Because that's the level that the mic & pre combination outputs in that situation and the output level is not adjustable on the preamp.
Correct in that there is an equipment mismatch, but these guys value their mic+preamp more than the R09. That makes the R-09 is the weak link, not the mic+preamp combination.
Edirol is a -10 consumer input and those other pres mentioned are most likely pro +4 outputs,
why not pad down the outputs before going to edirol?
^^^
That's a viable solution. Wire up some attenuators to place between the preamp and the R-09's input. Another solution might be upgrading from the older R-09 which has problems with hot signals that require input level settings below '8' (I can confirm this from my experience too) to the newer HR if the HR can accept a hotter signal without distortion, which is what Freeluch is trying to determine.
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Another solution might be upgrading from the older R-09 which has problems with hot signals that require input level settings below '8' (I can confirm this from my experience too) to the newer HR if the HR can accept a hotter signal without distortion, which is what Freeluch is trying to determine.
Well... what were the situations as described in the report(s) of the problem(s)?
Can we replicate them quasi-scientifically in a controlled environment?
Can we measure if we have a problem?
I am interested in finding out more.
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Because that's the level that the mic & pre combination outputs in that situation and the output level is not adjustable on the preamp.
Correct in that there is an equipment mismatch, but these guys value their mic+preamp more than the R09. That makes the R-09 is the weak link, not the mic+preamp combination.
Good point.
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Well... what were the situations as described in the report(s) of the problem(s)?
Can we replicate them quasi-scientifically in a controlled environment?
Can we measure if we have a problem?
I am interested in finding out more.
Sure, everyone is interested... But are you volunteering to do testing?
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I can say this, my "crunchy" recording was an MK4>nbox>r09hr set at 20... and there is no easy or cost effective way run schoeps with out a pre-amp... the nbox setup is the easiest way to run the schoeps in a "hat" situation.
Running the same setup into the 722 does not create the same situations or problems... just FYI
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I can say this, my "crunchy" recording was an MK4>nbox>r09hr set at 20... and there is no easy or cost effective way run schoeps with out a pre-amp... the nbox setup is the easiest way to run the schoeps in a "hat" situation.
Running the same setup into the 722 does not create the same situations or problems... just FYI
That's what I was guessing. Thanks for letting us know.
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For the record...
Video review from Sonic State of the R09HR
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/05/08/sonic-lab-portable-recorders-edirol-r-09hr/
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That's what I was guessing. Thanks for letting us know.
OK, if you are on the same wavelength as me, any suggestions on resolutions or fixes?
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That's what I was guessing. Thanks for letting us know.
OK, if you are on the same wavelength as me, any suggestions on resolutions or fixes?
Humm, not really. What about your preamp gain?
I assume it's fixed, otherwise you would be able to control the signal sent to your recorder and avoid the problem.
Sorry, I don't know much about the Nbox. ;)
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I assume it's fixed, otherwise you would be able to control the signal sent to your recorder and avoid the problem.
Sorry, I don't know much about the Nbox. ;)
If it's done with opamps you can change around resistors and change the gain.
If it's discrete probably similar?
It won't be done in snmd so it will be solderable.
Also: what is so different about the mics that they need an nbox instead of a phantom power box? (yes, I don't now)
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The nBox is a custom built pre-amp by one of the members here, and has a mic-in connector, RCA out and on/off... no gain or other controls.
The Schoepes mics are just the caps and require a propriety Schoeps active cable for their propriety Schoeps preamp or full bodies which make thes great sounding small mics too large to tape in the hat.
The nBox has a propriety custom active cable that only works with the nBox, but makes for a nice (as possible) comprimise from the Schoeps pre that is available (~$2200) for about 1/3 less and sounds just as good
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Original post from two years ago describing brickwall / distortion issue:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84587.0.html
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hmm. yes. but the capsule needs power (battery-box, phantom, etc) and optionally some gain applied to the signal.
As I understand it now the nbox does both.
Also, as was found, the signal in your situations is quite hot.
So the gain could be less or could be removed completely.
In that case, what is so different (technically) about the capsules that they need all these specific 'active cables' *and* a pre, etc?
Did anyone ever try to power these capsules directly? (i.e.: no `active` cables)
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Original post from two years ago describing brickwall / distortion issue:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84587.0.html
Interesting, but why were you using the r09 at maximum attenuation?
And not even near the often asked-for unity gain?
And adding gain?
(just asking, I am not implying there is no problem but just wondering why)
Again fixed gain?
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Original post from two years ago describing brickwall / distortion issue:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84587.0.html
Thanks, but comparing the R09 to the R09hr (as this thread is titled) is like comparing apples to oranges.... sorry, next please
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Original post from two years ago describing brickwall / distortion issue:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84587.0.html
Interesting, but why were you using the r09 at maximum attenuation?
And not even near the often asked-for unity gain?
And adding gain?
(just asking, I am not implying there is no problem but just wondering why)
Again fixed gain?
I have the same doubts. Anyway, I'm not familiar with those boxes, I'm just a humble R-09HR user, sorry about my lack of knowledge.
But I just can't see the point of running a preamp with no adjustable gain. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, that's what preamps are made for: amplify/adjust the signal that is being sent to a power amp, recorder etc.
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If it works for your levels, fine. I don't need to convince anyone of anything. Facts are facts and the r09 issue is old news, even if some haven't yet noticed their recordings are distorted or sound worse than they could. Some of us are looking for compact recorders that perform similar to a 7xx in three very important areas - reliability, audio quality, and signal handling.
The problem is the r09, and probably the hr, distort before they clip and do so at fairly comparatively low levels. So whatever edirol mfg spec exists on max signal handling before clipping is wrong. It's actually even lower than advertised.
There are "accepted" recording levels that a/d's should be able to take before clipping or distorting. The world will not recalibrate for the r09/hr.
If you take a patch out of someone setting levels for a piece of pro gear, you risk distortion. I believe even non-pro signal levels will distort the r09.
If you record with a v3 and set levels appropriate to the digital output or built-in a/d, the analog output will be wayyy too hot for the r09. Even at trim setting 1, you must compromise and turn down the pre or the r09 will clip (and regardless, it will be distorting bass).
So the solution is to compromise with input pads... and try to find a portable that has better signal handling.
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Original post from two years ago describing brickwall / distortion issue:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84587.0.html
Thanks, but comparing the R09 to the R09hr (as this thread is titled) is like comparing apples to oranges.... sorry, next please
Ditto.
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Thanks, but comparing the R09 to the R09hr (as this thread is titled) is like comparing apples to oranges.... sorry, next please
Ditto.
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Actually, it is comparing apples to apples. And both apples have worms. People have reported the same distortion problem with the HR.
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Freelunch,
Please don't take me wrong: I'm not disputing or debating your points here.
It's just that I've never experimented distortion issues either with the R-09 or R-09HR.
Of course, I don't run my preamp ( CA 9-100) very often, only when it's needed for more quiet/acoustic stuff.
Anyway, no distortion problems.
Take care ;)
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Maybe the issue is frequency-dependent?
I.e.: could happen more on some setups than on others?
Also: do we use the extremes of the decks as much as Freelunch?
(To boldly go... )
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So, the Edirol R-09HR at ~$310 is the ticket for small portable 24 bit recording now?
I'm considering getting back into 24 bit...
I use iRiver iHP-120 & iHP-140 now, for 16 bit (optical in) and I am very happy with them.
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Maybe the issue is frequency-dependent?
I.e.: could happen more on some setups than on others?
Also: do we use the extremes of the decks as much as Freelunch?
(To boldly go... )
I'm not an extremist, that's for sure ;D
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I Am about to pull the trigger on an R9HR, Yippie. I have a question regarding SDHC cards. Can anyone recomend a 32gig card that is issue free? Also has anyone used a class 6 SDHC card yet in the recorder?
Peace OOK
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...Can anyone recomend a 32gig card that is issue free? Also has anyone used a class 6 SDHC card yet in the recorder?
no ideas on 32gb, but my adata class 6 16gb works fine, read earlier posts in this (and the older) threads for more info, covered 100 times over
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I have 2 Kingston 32GB class4 cards which work fine in the original R-09 and the R-44. I'll go out on a limb and assume they'd work for you too. I did notice the price at Newegg has gone up about $15 since I picked them up a couple months back though.
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I Am about to pull the trigger on an R9HR, Yippie. I have a question regarding SDHC cards. Can anyone recomend a 32gig card that is issue free? Also has anyone used a class 6 SDHC card yet in the recorder?
Peace OOK
My Kingston 16 Gb works perfectly. My other card, to answer your original question, is a Kingston 8GB class 6 and works great, no issues.
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I have several Kingston 8GB class 6 and several Kingston 4GB class 6. All work great, no issues.
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Someone already got troubles with the new firmware 1.06-version?? :P
Seems to be working for me so far. What kind of problem are you having?
Well, I haven't updated yet..
Lots of people had troubles with the 1.05-version in the past, except me..
Since I updated the 1.05 pretty fast after it came out, I was wondering if with this new
1.06-version already some people were having difficulties..
I got a gig coming up next week, so I want to sure the 1.06-version is reliable.
No issues here. Updated few days ago, no problems at all. ;)
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any known issues with new firmware 1.06-version
Just got my R09-HR in and its 1.04 wondering if its safe to upgrade?
;D
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any known issues with new firmware 1.06-version
Just got my R09-HR in and its 1.04 wondering if its safe to upgrade?
;D
I have had 1.06 for the past two shows I taped and haven't had any issues with it at all. I use a Transcend 16gb SDHC card.
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any known issues with new firmware 1.06-version
Just got my R09-HR in and its 1.04 wondering if its safe to upgrade?
;D
Ran it Saturday night with now issues!!
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any known issues with new firmware 1.06-version
Just got my R09-HR in and its 1.04 wondering if its safe to upgrade?
;D
Ran it Saturday night with now issues!!
Now issues. Geez, I hope I don't have whatever those are. :yack: (j/k Mako)
I am picking one of these up in the Yard. The Sony D50 is nice, but I want to carry something less bulky/heavy around in the summer.
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I am picking one of these up in the Yard. The Sony D50 is nice, but I want to carry something less bulky/heavy around in the summer.
You'll love it I'm sure. :P
It's like everything I wanted the R-09 to be, with the better build quality, bigger screen, better button/input layout, etc.
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I am picking one of these up in the Yard. The Sony D50 is nice, but I want to carry something less bulky/heavy around in the summer.
You'll love it I'm sure. :P
It's like everything I wanted the R-09 to be, with the better build quality, bigger screen, better button/input layout, etc.
Everything he said ;)
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Everything he said ;)
Oh yeah, I forgot... no more input jack failure issues anymore. :P
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Everything he said ;)
Oh yeah, I forgot... no more input jack failure issues anymore. :P
I never had the jack failure issue when I owned an R-09, but the mere FEAR of the fact it could fail was frightening.
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Everything he said ;)
Oh yeah, I forgot... no more input jack failure issues anymore. :P
I never had the jack failure issue when I owned an R-09, but the mere FEAR of the fact it could fail was frightening.
You're 100% right.
I also never had the jack failure problem, but was always scared with the prospect of a broken solder joint. :o
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I am picking one of these up in the Yard. The Sony D50 is nice, but I want to carry something less bulky/heavy around in the summer.
Welcome aboard ya gearslut!! ;)
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I am picking one of these up in the Yard. The Sony D50 is nice, but I want to carry something less bulky/heavy around in the summer.
Welcome aboard ya gearslut!! ;)
I swear I am set on recorders now. Famous last words of course. Damn this hobby is addictive.
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I am picking one of these up in the Yard. The Sony D50 is nice, but I want to carry something less bulky/heavy around in the summer.
Welcome aboard ya gearslut!! ;)
I swear I am set on recorders now. Famous last words of course. Damn this hobby is addictive.
;D ;D ;D
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I swear I am set on recorders now. Famous last words of course. Damn this hobby is addictive.
Hehe and expensive.
I will second anything good about these recorders. I go out all the time with my HR in the pocket and binaurals in my ear and people have the slightest idea what I'm doing ???. And on top of that I pull great recordings. ;D
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Have any HR mods been found?
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I swear I am set on recorders now. Famous last words of course. Damn this hobby is addictive.
Hehe and expensive.
Tell me about it. This message board is not for the timid and if you came here to save money, step away from the computer.
I should have my R-09HR in a few days. This is going to to come in handy on the "Progressive Nation" show I am hitting with Dream Theater, ZPZ, and two other bands. I think I am sitting within sneezing distance of security.
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Have any HR mods been found?
Not that I know. ;)
I take this as a compliment to this recorder.
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Have any HR mods been found?
Yeah, black tape over the red light ;)
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Have any HR mods been found?
Yeah, black tape over the red light ;)
You can turn the damn red light off using the menu.
While recording, it only flashes for two seconds if you adjust the levels ;)
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Got shut down with the full open rig last night....so I decided to try just the R09 using the internal mics from inside my hat:)
http://www.archive.org/details/erichutchinson2009-05-23.r-09hr.flac16
All things considered, I'm pretty pleased with the results.
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Got shut down with the full open rig last night....
What?! I thought Eric was open taping and on LMA and all. Sorry to hear you got shut down.
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Got shut down with the full open rig last night....so I decided to try just the R09 using the internal mics from inside my hat:)
http://www.archive.org/details/erichutchinson2009-05-23.r-09hr.flac16
All things considered, I'm pretty pleased with the results.
You should be ;).
Sounds like you had a great sounding PA with a nice house sound mix.
Thanks for your efforts and sorry about the shut down thing.
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Yeah....that room has always sounded great. Even still...they recently upgraded the sound system and hung it properly.
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anyone know if there is a downside to going mic in with dpa 4061 with the R09HR i tried it last night and was very pleased with the results was allot less boomy then they usually sound going line in?
all other features were off except hold which is always on when i rec.
appreciate any feedback.
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anyone know if there is a downside to going mic in with dpa 4061 with the R09HR i tried it last night and was very pleased with the results was allot less boomy then they usually sound going line in?
all other features were off except hold which is always on when i rec.
appreciate any feedback.
I seem to recall that there is more noise using mic in, but last week I forgot the connector from my CA 9100 to the R09HR so I just connected the CA Cardioids to the mic in, turned on the mic power, and got a great 3 hour recording of Bruce.
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You can turn the damn red light off using the menu.
While recording, it only flashes for two seconds if you adjust the levels ;)
I know, but that also disables the "Over LEDs" and I'd like to check them occasionally.
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Square of gaff tape.
No red recording light, ever. Even when making changes.
Preserves the clip light.
All buttons still function fine.
Easily removable.
I did it 3 years ago on both R-09s and this is the first I've even thought about it since. I've forgotten what the red light looks like.
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You can turn the damn red light off using the menu.
While recording, it only flashes for two seconds if you adjust the levels ;)
I know, but that also disables the "Over LEDs" and I'd like to check them occasionally.
That's the idea: no red lights at all ;D.
Sorry to ask, but why do you check the Peak light for? Is that the over leds you mentioned?
I mean, set your levels at a confortable level ( like peaking at -12db) and you're golden.
When the Peak light blimps, you're already clipping your recording.
Just my 00000002 cents.
Take care ;)
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It'd be interesting to do a bench test comp:
source output > good pre amp > r09 peaking at -12
source output > good pre amp > r09 peaking at -1
You could do this two ways - levels adjusted at the pre-amp, and levels adjusted at the r09 only (though I find comps with more than two files do not get as much participation, etc)
Then tweak the gain so they both peak at 0, and let folks vote on which sounds better.
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That's the idea: no red lights at all ;D.
Sorry to ask, but why do you check the Peak light for? Is that the over leds you mentioned?
Yeah, the over LEDs.
I mean, set your levels at a confortable level ( like peaking at -12db) and you're golden.
When the Peak light blimps, you're already clipping your recording.
I know and I agree. But I find those peak lights to be especially useful when recording with a new recorder. For example, when I first got my R09HR, I had no idea on how to set the levels to a "comfortable" level. I just didn't know where to start. I set them somewhere and, during loud parts of the concert, looked into my bag to check for the over LEDs. They were very helpful because I could see almost instantaneously whether I was clipping or not.
Also, I recently recorded a Dylan show (relatively quiet) and another rock show in a small club (relatively loud) a few days later. I still had the levels set for Dylan when I went to the second show and forgot to lower them before the band started. I was able to see that problem as soon as I hit the record button because of the LEDs. I don't know if it's just me, but I certainly find the LEDs to be better (and faster) readable than the main display.
I think I got that LED checking habit from stealthing with the SBM-1 back in the good old DAT days ;)
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I know the "unity gain"matter of the Edirol R09HR has been debated enough, but I'm not sure if I totally understanded ( musicians.....!).
I ask you some questions in order to resume the matter.
1) Assuming that the unity gain in the line input stays around 40, it means that below this there is a digital attenuation. This means that going line-in with an external preamp should be done without moving from this 40 level. Is this right?
2) If keeping the unity level causes an overload even if the preamp is set at a low gain this means we have an output which is too high. I guess this could occour because we are using very sensitive mics.
There shoud be two possibilities; adding an attenuator between the preamp and the deck or lowering the input level below 40, with the distortion consequences somebody complains about. Right again?
3) If we go directly line in with a battery box and so WITHOUT an external preamp and we raise the input level over 40 (which seems to me could be a third solution), are we using the same preamp circuit we have in the mic mode? If it is true it means that we have a) high mic input; b) low mic input ; c) line in which acts either as an even lower mic input if set over 40, or like a true line input if set at unity gain. Right or wrong?
thank you for your answers, they will be precious
c
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1) Assuming that the unity gain in the line input stays around 40, it means that below this there is a digital attenuation.
Incorrect. The gain or attenuation of the signal is done in the analog preamp stage, before the analog to digital converter.
This means that going line-in with an external preamp should be done without moving from this 40 level. Is this right?
If 40 on the R09HR is the unity setting then that's a reasonable goal. You probably won't notice any noise or distortion in a fairly wide range around that setting though. The effective limits of that range seem open to debate, but if you need to further attenuate or amplify the signal somewhat from your initial setting of 40, that shouldn't worry you too much.
2) If keeping the unity level causes an overload even if the preamp is set at a low gain this means we have an output which is too high. I guess this could occour because we are using very sensitive mics.
Or the preamp may have a high output level. That's common with professional gear. I have to set my Grace V3 preamp gain very low when feeding my old R-09. I like to keep the R-09 input level at around 13 or so when using an external preamp (though as mentioned above, a bit higher or lower is no big deal) and that means I usually need to set the V3's gain quite low so that it's meters barely register. That's because as a piece of professional grade gear, the V3 is designed to output a higher level signal than the consumer grade R-09 was designed to receive, but I can turn the knobs and adjust for that, it still sounds good and there is no noise problem so I don't worry about it.
There shoud be two possibilities; adding an attenuator between the preamp and the deck or lowering the input level below 40, with the distortion consequences somebody complains about. Right again?
Right. But realize that lowering the input setting on the recorder below 40 achieves the same thing as using an external attenuator.. until you reach the limit where the input overloads and distorts. If you need even more attenuation because you can't reduce the input level on the recorder any further without risking distortion, then you'll either need to reduce the gain on the external preamp farther (which you've presumably already done), engage the output pad on the mic if there is one, or use some kind of external signal attenuator between the preamp and the recorder or between the mic and the preamp.
3) If we go directly line in with a battery box and so WITHOUT an external preamp and we raise the input level over 40 (which seems to me could be a third solution), are we using the same preamp circuit we have in the mic mode? If it is true it means that we have a) high mic input; b) low mic input ; c) line in which acts either as an even lower mic input if set over 40, or like a true line input if set at unity gain. Right or wrong?
In every input configuration, the signal will go through the same analog preamp stage of the recorder. The main thing that changes is the amount of gain applied (the other thing that changes is the availability of plug-in power when using the mic inputs). The main reason for using an external preamp with this recorder other than as a way to provide phantom power for mics that require it, is to provide a greater range of signal amplification or reduction without as much noise creeping in at high R-09HR gain settings or possible distortion at very low R-09HR gain settings then is available using the built in analog preamp stage of the R-09HR alone. Some people here select preamps for their 'sound' and 'tonal coloration' but that's a whole different discussion.
In any case you can reduce the level (attenuate), increase the level (add gain) or keep the level the same (the mysterious unity input setting) using the level control on the recorder for any of the various input configurations and those changes all take place in the analog preamp stage. If you don't notice any objectionable noise in your recordings when using the line-input and a higher input level setting as compared to using the mic input and a lower input level setting, then you don't need an external preamp at all.
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Thank you very very much. Very clear and useful!!!
c
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Wasn't sure whether to post this question here or in Remote Power.... here we go:
A while ago I bought a Lenmar PPU2100B (http://www.lenmar.com/Web/Main.aspx?MenuID=4&EntityID=37&ResourceID=9&ProductID=PPU2100B) external battery. I am wondering if you folks know A) whether it will work with the R-09HR, B) how long it will work for the R-09HR, and C) If / where I can find a cable to take the power from the Lenmar product to R-09hr (Lenmar spits out power via USB).
Thanks in advance!
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I wanted to chime in here. I've been the proud owner of an R-09HR since December. I've taped a number of shows since then, both stealth and open (I run with CS DPA 4061's). I've been very happy with both the unit and the mics. Prior to purchasing the Edirol I borrowed an IRiver for taping, and I have to say I am very impressed with the ease of use of 09HR. Much of my pre-purchase research was conducted reading this forum (many thanks to all ;)).
In regards to the red-record lights, which can be a burden when running stealth, is this something that could be addressed in a firm-ware update possibly? It seems you build in the option to run w/o the light, but still have the option to use the peak meter.
All in all, I am very happy my purchase, and the tapes I've pulled this spring and of late.
;D ;D ;D
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...is this something that could be addressed in a firm-ware update possibly?
It could, but it probably won't.
[cough] square of gaff tape [cough]
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Hi All.Im have not been around for awhile.I decided its time to upgrade my gear from a Sony MD to a flash recorder rig.I have 2 gigs comming up next week and i need some help a advice to make awesome captures from you pros on here.I will be recording with a stock R-09HR with internal mics. with a 4gb
card with the seting ogf 24bit at 44 for now just to get the feel of it.
what do I need to know is what kind of batteries to get to keep the edirol rolling for long time,I did some tests in the last couple of days with 2500mAh ni-mh rechargables with the results of 3 hour recordings.whats the best batteries to use in this recorder.will those high power expensive alkaline could do better.
ok the gigs are inside of arenas ,the next question is about the input with the internal mic is used, from 0 to 80 where should i keep it,the mic gain should be on low of high.ok the limiter/agc switch should be on or off. now the low cut switch should be on or off.
Any one please help if you can.thank you Skip Raccio.
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Did you ever try in front of a loud stereo? ??? ::)
You'll get a feel for it there.
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I actually like the red light.... can look and verify it's recording.
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I actually like the red light.... can look and verify it's recording.
Yeah, it's only really an issue when trying to tape under the radar, so to speak. 8)
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So I finally did a battery test using 2700mAh Sanyos and recording at 24bit/96khz with the LCD on continuously at a brightness of 1...
7 hours and 2 minutes!
Not too shabby. I'll test later on with 24bit/44.1khz (which is what I always record at).
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What software version are you using? I'm still on 1.04 and mine chokes on 96/24 after the first 2GB file. Transcend 8GB class 6 card.
I think I went 10 hours on Duracell 2650mAh batteries at 44/16. I like this recorder.
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What software version are you using? I'm still on 1.04 and mine chokes on 96/24 after the first 2GB file. Transcend 8GB class 6 card.
I think I went 10 hours on Duracell 2650mAh batteries at 44/16. I like this recorder.
1.06 and also using a Transcend class 6 card (16gb).
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I just version up'd to 1.06 and testing at 96/24... doesn't appear to be choking....so far records a couple 2GB files and continues.
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It'd be interesting to do a bench test comp:
source output > good pre amp > r09 peaking at -12
source output > good pre amp > r09 peaking at -1
You could do this two ways - levels adjusted at the pre-amp, and levels adjusted at the r09 only (though I find comps with more than two files do not get as much participation, etc)
Then tweak the gain so they both peak at 0, and let folks vote on which sounds better.
Athough a comp would be interesting to do, technically speaking it's NOT a good idea to drive VU peaks near maximum on battery powered decks.
-1 dBvu is typically very near the supply rails of the device where non-linear distortion has best chance of occurring producing a lower quality recording.
If recording at 24 bit depth, no reason for driving VU anywhere near maximum and peaks near -12 dBvu seems a wiser tact for having less chance of distortion with adequate headroom for live events.
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It'd be interesting to do a bench test comp:
source output > good pre amp > r09 peaking at -12
source output > good pre amp > r09 peaking at -1
You could do this two ways - levels adjusted at the pre-amp, and levels adjusted at the r09 only (though I find comps with more than two files do not get as much participation, etc)
Then tweak the gain so they both peak at 0, and let folks vote on which sounds better.
Athough a comp would be interesting to do, technically speaking it's NOT a good idea to drive VU peaks near maximum on battery powered decks.
-1 dBvu is typically very near the supply rails of the device where non-linear distortion has best chance of occurring producing a lower quality recording.
If recording at 24 bit depth, no reason for driving VU anywhere near maximum and peaks near -12 dBvu seems a wiser tact for having less chance of distortion with adequate headroom for live events.
Everything Guysonic said ;)
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there are definitely problems with at least a couple of gear combinations, and possibly more, when using the r09hr as a capture device.
1) mics > eaa psp2 > r09hr
2) schoeps mk(x) > remote cables > nbox > r09hr
freelunch and i both own an eaa psp2, which at it's lowest setting outputs ~22db of gain.
the other preamp i, and others use with our schoeps mk(x) capsules, is called an nbox. it is a boutique, custom built unit which provides power to the schoeps mk(x) capsues, as well as provides a fixed gain of ~18db. it interfaces with the capsules via proprietary remote cables which can only be used with the nbox, so swapping the power source / preamp out of the chain is not an option.
i for one, am not going to get rid of either preamp because they operate and sound great, and their design is not flawed, like you suggest. if the r09hr proves to be a deck that cannot handle their output, i'll simply buy a deck that will.
Did anyone find out whether any of the available small decks can handle this output?
-Colargol
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Using an attenuator between the fixed gain preamp and the recorder to pad the level down to what the recorder can handle should eliminate those distortion problems. That will effectively 'turn down' the fixed gain of the preamp by the value of the attenuator.
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I just received my Edirol in the mail the other day. I am going to be recording some stuff next week. I need some help.
There are allot of setting on this where should they all be?
Ive been looking at Core's website for mics for stealth any suggestions?
Anything else I need to know about?
Thank for your help.
Mark
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I just received my Edirol in the mail the other day. I am going to be recording some stuff next week. I need some help.
There are allot of setting on this where should they all be?
Ive been looking at Core's website for mics for stealth any suggestions?
Anything else I need to know about?
Thank for your help.
Mark
Congrats on the purchase, you will like it a lot. As for settings...
1. Record in 24 bit.
2. 45ish for the recording level
3. Everything low/off on the back.
As for mics, I'd seriously consider picking up a set of CA-14 and 9100 preamp.
Mako
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I would also recommend the SP-TFB-2 http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-TFB-2
They are great binaural mics, stealthy, and compliment the R-09HR very well!
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Running firmware version 1.06 without problems for a month now. Great deck but I'm liking my D50 better when going mic in is called for...
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Newbie's question where do you find the 1.06 Firmware?
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http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=960&tab=downloads
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thanks a lot
SF
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When I first turn the unit it on the display is nice and bright, then after a bit it'll go dim. Is there a way to keep it bright 100% of the time?
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RTM
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When I first turn the unit it on the display is nice and bright, then after a bit it'll go dim. Is there a way to keep it bright 100% of the time?
In the 'display' menu there should be a power save setting that you can set to keep it on all the time (which is what I do also).
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Borrowed one of these bad boys for the weekend, what kind of battery life should I plan on? Will just be running typical alkaline AA's, probably Duracells. Oh, line in from an Nbox. Thanks!
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I averaged ~6 hours on a pair of Duracell AAs last weekend at All Good.
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Sweet Jesus, 6 hours? Amazing. 6 ought to get me through the weekend easily then.
Thanks!
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That's with screen at low brightness, headphone volume at 0 and line-in level at 40.
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That's with screen at low brightness, headphone volume at 0 and line-in level at 40.
Excellent, thanks for the heads up.
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Excellent, thanks for the heads up.
So I finally did a battery test using 2700mAh Sanyos and recording at 24bit/96khz with the LCD on continuously at a brightness of 1...
7 hours and 2 minutes!
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Hi Ya'll,
bought the 09-HR lately and at the present I am using it wit my SP SP-CMC-8 cardoid and oni caps with SP-SPSB-11 BB, In addition I have MM mint BB.
I just bought a pair of DPA 4061(they are still on the way). I am thinking about buying a new preamp for my system. And thought about CA 9100 or an CA Ugly.
Unfortunately I can't find a picture/spec on the net for the UGLY.
Any recommandation from users with similar gear.
If I cant get an answer I will contact Chris and maybe he can give me heads up if the 9100 will work in the chain DPA 4061-???-Edirol line in.
I want something small since the DPA preamps are as big as the Edirol itself.
All the best swordfish
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Both the 9100 and CA-UGLY will work fine with the miniature DPAs and the R-09(HR). Just make sure you address the micro-dot mic cable connector issue.
You give up the easy level adjustment and a clip light of the 9100 for ultra-small battery box size with the UGLY. The sound is reportedly the same, as is the circuit last I heard from Chris. I'm happy with the UGLY for it's sonics and size, although I would change a few details to improve level adjustment. Two CA-UGLYs have replaced DPA MMA6000 for me since I wanted really small gear to be able to run two rigs simultaneously.
I'll try and take a photo of one of the UGLYs this weekend for you.
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thanks for the quick reply and the offer to send/post a picture. Where can get the microdot connectors? directly from DPA? I recall that I read somwhere that you should by those and send them to Chris. cheers,
SF
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Microdots from DPA. Other option is changing the connector to a mini TRS or mini-XLR on the mic lead.
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hi there :)
have recieved my r09hr and played around with it. made a testrecording in my car which sounds great via the headphones. my setup:
at853-sonosax-r09hr
am using a sd 4gb scandisk ultra (15mb/s) card and now want to transform the wav file (about 5mins long) onto my mac. here is the problem:
when i connect the edirol via a usb cable to my mac it recognizes a new source/hardware but on the hardware itself is NO data? what am i doin wrong here :( ? any idea?
thanks a bunch :)
alex
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hi there :)
have recieved my r09hr and played around with it. made a testrecording in my car which sounds great via the headphones. my setup:
at853-sonosax-r09hr
am using a sd 4gb scandisk ultra (15mb/s) card and now want to transform the wav file (about 5mins long) onto my mac. here is the problem:
when i connect the edirol via a usb cable to my mac it recognizes a new source/hardware but on the hardware itself is NO data? what am i doin wrong here :( ? any idea?
thanks a bunch :)
alex
--> solution: update firmware to 1.06 and the problem is fixed :-)
cheers!
mac
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thanks for the quick reply and the offer to send/post a picture. Where can get the microdot connectors? directly from DPA? I recall that I read somwhere that you should by those and send them to Chris. cheers,
SF
I don't know if you you've already received the info you need. Anyway, there you go:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,91415.msg1216628.html#msg1216628
About the microdots issue, yes, you are right: get them and send them to Chris.
Take care :)
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got mine today! :)
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got mine today! :)
Welcome aboard!!
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I'll be rocking your setup soon mako.
CA-11 > 9100 > r-09HR
also I'll have the CA-14 Cards, CA-14 Omni's, and the CA-UBB batt box. :)
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It's a nice little setup.
Actually, I'll be taking out the CA14's Friday night for Collective Soul.
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sweet.
just updated from 1.04 to 1.06
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thanks for the quick reply and the offer to send/post a picture. Where can get the microdot connectors? directly from DPA? I recall that I read somwhere that you should by those and send them to Chris. cheers,
SF
I don't know if you you've already received the info you need. Anyway, there you go:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,91415.msg1216628.html#msg1216628
About the microdots issue, yes, you are right: get them and send them to Chris.
Take care :)
Thanks for the answer. In the meantime I have received my used pair of 4061 low sens mics. Unfortunately I can't find a place order for the DPA microdot female conectors I need to buy. Help to find a picture of the ugly and a place to by the connectors will be appreciated. I am from Germany so a European store to order these parts would be nice.
I don want to bother Chris before I have my stuff together.
All the best,
SF
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Oops my apologies, I forgot to take those photos for you last weekend. Here you go:
Below is an older picture of one of my CA-UGLYs when it was about 6 months old-
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2456/3804217057_538814e283.jpg)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/41278426@N07/sets/72157621866130559/)
All CA-UGLYs are this size and general form, but Chris has built them a bit differently at times. Some have both jacks on one side, I think new ones include a power switch so you can leave the mics plugged in without running down the battery. They all have a power 'on' LED and small pots for gain adjustment.
Click here or on the photo above to link to a Flickr collection of photos showing the CA-UGLYs I took today (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41278426@N07/sets/72157621866130559/), after a further year of abuse plastered with gaff tape to make them even uglier. Those photos show the units as I often use them, with the same short right angle patch cable shown at the top of the image above which stays well-taped to the preamp output. I run the other end of that cable through the case of the R-09 as shown so the the cable is well strain-relived at both ends to protect the jacks. I much prefer cables with the smallest molded-on right angle jacks I can find. The Neutrik RA stereo mini-jack connectors I have on the mic cable input side are well made and solderable, but the long body creates too much leverage potential on the jack, so when I plug in the mics (which turns on the preamp) I tape that connector up with some rolled up paper to rigidly connect the cantilevered jack body it to the preamp. That does the job while adding additional desirable ugliness. I'll then adjust and balance levels using the meters on the recorder and stick the tape down which covers the pots. Tape is not necessary to keep the pots from moving it's just were the tape securing the input jack falls. A short 2x microdot > Neutrik RA stereo mini-jack cable converts the standard microdot terminated DPA 4060s to the stereo mini jack input on the UGLY.
Female microdot jacks take two forms: a panel mount, and a barrel connector which transsexualizes a male dot. You can get them from DPA in Denver. I made one adapter cable myself which uses barrel connectors which came with 4060 extension cables I bought from DPA. I bought a second adapter cable (the one pictured) from Core Sound since I knew Len had dots and barrels and I needed a second cable in a hurry.
Hope that helps.
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Oops my apologies, I forgot to take those photos for you last weekend. Here you go:
Below is an older picture of one of my CA-UGLYs when it was about 6 months old-
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2456/3804217057_538814e283.jpg)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/41278426@N07/sets/72157621866130559/)
All CA-UGLYs are this size and general form, but Chris has built them a bit differently at times. Some have both jacks on one side, I think new ones include a power switch so you can leave the mics plugged in without running down the battery. They all have a power 'on' LED and small pots for gain adjustment.
Click here or on the photo above to link to a Flickr collection of photos showing the CA-UGLYs I took today (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41278426@N07/sets/72157621866130559/), after a further year of abuse plastered with gaff tape to make them even uglier. Those photos show the units as I often use them, with the same short right angle patch cable shown at the top of the image above which stays well-taped to the preamp output. I run the other end of that cable through the case of the R-09 as shown so the the cable is well strain-relived at both ends to protect the jacks. I much prefer cables with the smallest molded-on right angle jacks I can find. The Neutrik RA stereo mini-jack connectors I have on the mic cable input side are well made and solderable, but the long body creates too much leverage potential on the jack, so when I plug in the mics (which turns on the preamp) I tape that connector up with some rolled up paper to rigidly connect the cantilevered jack body it to the preamp. That does the job while adding additional desirable ugliness. I'll then adjust and balance levels using the meters on the recorder and stick the tape down which covers the pots. Tape is not necessary to keep the pots from moving it's just were the tape securing the input jack falls. A short 2x microdot > Neutrik RA stereo mini-jack cable converts the standard microdot terminated DPA 4060s to the stereo mini jack input on the UGLY.
Female microdot jacks take two forms: a panel mount, and a barrel connector which transsexualizes a male dot. You can get them from DPA in Denver. I made one adapter cable myself which uses barrel connectors which came with 4060 extension cables I bought from DPA. I bought a second adapter cable (the one pictured) from Core Sound since I knew Len had dots and barrels and I needed a second cable in a hurry.
Hope that helps.
Thanks Gutbucket for the great picture show.
I contacted DPA in Germany and they will send out the female adapters tomorrow. Maybe I will contact them again and ask for some microdot plugs with cables. The UBB is indeed very unique. I am not sure if this the right tool for me.
How do you adjust the levels during a show?
Or do adjust the levels before the show and finetune during the show with the Edirol R09-HR?
My eyesight is not very good so in the venue I like it as easy as possible.. Also having the connectors at the side of the UBB is not very helpful with the microdot connectors. With the the battery being taped and wrapped up this a not as handy as my SP....11 from SP which I normally tape against the back of the Edirol to get a solid package by taping all the connectors ect. It sits in the lap during a seated show underneath a shirt. Or in the pocket of a jacket. Unfortunately it runs with 12 Volts. I think it makes sense to get a preamp ...but which one?
I have no feeling for how much bigger the CA 9100 is. Can someone compare DPA 6030/00... and the CA 9100 against the ugly pre amp or the SP 11 BB
IMO they are almost as big as the edirol.
Cheers SF
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I am not sure if this the right tool for me.
How do you adjust the levels during a show?
Or do adjust the levels before the show and finetune during the show with the Edirol R09-HR?
My eyesight is not very good so in the venue I like it as easy as possible.. Also having the connectors at the side of the UBB is not very helpful with the microdot connectors. With the the battery being taped and wrapped up this a not as handy as my SP...
Easy and accurate level adjustment is the primary drawback of the CA-UGLY. I dial in the approximate setting at home with a small screw driver or pen-knife, leaving enough head room to adjust levels on the Edirol during the recording if necessary. It's not at all convenient to have to adjust gain on the UGLY while recording. The gaff tape I have on mine is just to secure the input and output cables, not to secure the battery. It just snaps in and is quite secure. Although the battery is exposed and looks like it would fall out, it doesn't. As for the position of the connectors, Chris can probably put those where ever you want them since each is built to order.
All that being said, the primary strong point of the UGLY is super-small size. It doesn't trade sound quality for that but it does trade features and ease of adjustment. A slightly larger preamp which is easy to see and adjust will probably be a better choice in most cases.
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I am not sure if this the right tool for me.
How do you adjust the levels during a show?
Or do adjust the levels before the show and finetune during the show with the Edirol R09-HR?
My eyesight is not very good so in the venue I like it as easy as possible.. Also having the connectors at the side of the UBB is not very helpful with the microdot connectors. With the the battery being taped and wrapped up this a not as handy as my SP...
Easy and accurate level adjustment is the primary drawback of the CA-UGLY. I dial in the approximate setting at home with a small screw driver or pen-knife, leaving enough head room to adjust levels on the Edirol during the recording if necessary. It's not at all convenient to have to adjust gain on the UGLY while recording. The gaff tape I have on mine is just to secure the input and output cables, not to secure the battery. It just snaps in and is quite secure. Although the battery is exposed and looks like it would fall out, it doesn't. As for the position of the connectors, Chris can probably put those where ever you want them since each is built to order.
All that being said, the primary strong point of the UGLY is super-small size. It doesn't trade sound quality for that but it does trade features and ease of adjustment. A slightly larger preamp which is easy to see and adjust will probably be a better choice in most cases.
Thanks for the answer Gutbucket. I wrote a mail to DPA and asked to add a pair of Microdt connectors wth cable to the female microdots. In this case I can have the uglu configured to 1/8 neutrik angle connectors and use my others mics as well with this pre amp. I will wait and see what DPA sents and then I will contact Chris and discuss/order a preamp.
Thanks to everybody for his input.
Great community,
SF
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One final detail-
I use the 1/8" TRS mini-jacks for the smallest size possible and so I can use the preamps with other mics I have which use that plug, but if that wasn't an issue I'd consider using mini-XLRs connectors. Those are superior, locking connectors which will probably be more reliable in the long term than the TRS mini's.
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I am not sure if this the right tool for me.
How do you adjust the levels during a show?
Or do adjust the levels before the show and finetune during the show with the Edirol R09-HR?
My eyesight is not very good so in the venue I like it as easy as possible.. Also having the connectors at the side of the UBB is not very helpful with the microdot connectors. With the the battery being taped and wrapped up this a not as handy as my SP...
Easy and accurate level adjustment is the primary drawback of the CA-UGLY. I dial in the approximate setting at home with a small screw driver or pen-knife, leaving enough head room to adjust levels on the Edirol during the recording if necessary. It's not at all convenient to have to adjust gain on the UGLY while recording. The gaff tape I have on mine is just to secure the input and output cables, not to secure the battery. It just snaps in and is quite secure. Although the battery is exposed and looks like it would fall out, it doesn't. As for the position of the connectors, Chris can probably put those where ever you want them since each is built to order.
All that being said, the primary strong point of the UGLY is super-small size. It doesn't trade sound quality for that but it does trade features and ease of adjustment. A slightly larger preamp which is easy to see and adjust will probably be a better choice in most cases.
Thanks for the answer Gutbucket. I wrote a mail to DPA and asked to add a pair of Microdt connectors wth cable to the female microdots. In this case I can have the uglu configured to 1/8 neutrik angle connectors and use my others mics as well with this pre amp. I will wait and see what DPA sents and then I will contact Chris and discuss/order a preamp.
Thanks to everybody for his input.
Great community,
SF
I can configure the ugly to have both sets of connectors if needed.
Chris
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Just checking in...I pulled the trigger on an R-09HR. Supposed to be delivered Friday. ;D
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Just checking in...I pulled the trigger on an R-09HR. Supposed to be delivered Friday. ;D
You won't regret it!
First order of business is to get a larger SD card and rechargeable batteries if you don't have have said items.
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question (haven't even messed with my 90HR yet) - Can you use the onboard mics and the line in concurrently? Say, to have a board line in and some ambience too, like a matrix?
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First order of business is to get a larger SD card and rechargeable batteries if you don't have have said items.
What is the stardard for rechargables..... I've been use alkaline duracells
Thanks
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I was recommended the Eneloop Sanyo batteries. They come pre-charged and hold a charge for a year with little decline.
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question (haven't even messed with my 90HR yet) - Can you use the onboard mics and the line in concurrently? Say, to have a board line in and some ambience too, like a matrix?
No, I've never heard of anyone able to do that and I've never been able to.
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I was recommended the Eneloop Sanyo batteries. They come pre-charged and hold a charge for a year with little decline.
For a brand I don't really care as long as the mA is pretty high. I use Sanyos (I think that's how it is spelled) 2700-2800 mAs.
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I recommend 'low self discharge' NiMH rechagables. You give up a small amount of total power capacity compared to standard NiMH, but those higher capacity standard batteries will actually have less power remaining a few days after charging and lose most all of their charge within a month. The low-self-discharge types offer me more peace of mind and run for 6 (or more) hours which is plenty for me. The Sanyo Eneloops are in that family and there are also others like the Maha Imedions that I've been using for the past year. The Imedion is a bit newer tech with a slightly higher power capacity. It is one of the few that has a higher measured mAhr rating than what is printed on it's label. I think mine are 2100 mAhr. Most any (fully charged and healthy ;)) NiMH AAs will last longer than alkalines.
A quick search found this comparison (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1023&message=22988426)giving top ranking to the Eneloops... and a later comparison (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1023&message=25825572) with the Kodak and Imedions topping the list once they became available.
You won't go wrong with any of those.
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What is the stardard for rechargables..... I've been use alkaline duracells
I would also recommend the Sanyos rechargeables. With the 2700mAh regular (non-Eneloop) Sanyos I get 7+ hours recording at 24/96 with the backlight on and 9+ hours at 24/44.1 (what I typically record at). They are rock-solid and haven't let me down yet. Most major brands are fine though, I've used LaCrosse and Energizers as well and they work just fine as well.
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What is the stardard for rechargables..... I've been use alkaline duracells
I would also recommend the Sanyos rechargeables. With the 2700mAh regular (non-Eneloop) Sanyos I get 7+ hours recording at 24/96 with the backlight on and 9+ hours at 24/44.1 (what I typically record at). They are rock-solid and haven't let me down yet. Most major brands are fine though, I've used LaCrosse and Energizers as well and they work just fine as well.
I have been using the 2700 Powerex with similar results.
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thanks for all the replies. Looks like I'll be doing a little shopping this weekend.
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Just checking in...I pulled the trigger on an R-09HR. Supposed to be delivered Friday. ;D
You won't regret it!
First order of business is to get a larger SD card and rechargeable batteries if you don't have have said items.
Got it yesterday and played with it a little last night. I have a new SD card on the way, and I'm looking for batteries. I am also updating the firmware to v1.06. I downloaded the file unzipped it but I can't open the readme.pdf. I get a damaged file message. I'm assuming that is the directions on how to update the firmware and the other file "R09HR_PRG.UPD" is the update. Does anyone have that read.me file that they can send me or if not, the quick and dirty directions for updating the firmware.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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R-09HR System Update Version 1.06
Change of version 1.06
* Compatible with 32GB SDHC (High Capacity) memory cards.
* Improve the S/N ratio during 88.2kHz/96kHz recording/playback.
Note to Mac users:
SDHC memory cards are incompatible with Mac OS9. To avoid problems such as data clash, please do
not connect to Macs via USB while running OS9.
System Update Procedure for the R-09HR
Note:
* A USB cable and an SD memory card, formatted with the R-09HR, are required.
* Do not perform this update with battery power only; please use the included AC power adaptor.
* Never turn the power off during the update procedure.
* The setup data, such as display contrast and recording format, with be initialized.
1. Confirm that the R-09HR's power is off.
2. Insert the SD memory card that has been formatted on the R-09HR.
3. Turn on the R-09HR's power.
4. Connect the R-09HR to your computer via USB cable. The computer will recognize the
R-09HR as a USB drive.
5. Copy the extracted “R09HR_PRG.UPD” file to the R-09HR's root directory.
6. Un-mount (eject) the R-09HR's drive image from the computer.
7. Turn the R-09HR's power off.
8. While holding down the [REC] button, turn on the R-09HR's power; do not let go of the [REC]
button until the “Program Update” screen appears.
Note:
* If “PROG:1.06” is displayed, there is no need for an update at this time.
* A “--no card--” or “--no update file--” message may be displayed briefly, but it does not indicate a
problem.
* When the “--no card--” or “--no update file--” message is kept on the screen, please turn the power
off and confirm the existence of the “R09HR_PRG.UPD” update file on the SD card.
9. Press the [REC] button. The following message will be displayed and the update processing
will progress automatically. Update processing requires about 30 seconds.
Note:
* Never turn off the R-09HR power or eject the SD memory card while the above message is shown.
10. Once the update has completed, a message “Program Update Complete!!” will appear on the
screen.
11. Turn off the power and then turn it on again. Check the version number displayed on the
bottom-left corner of the boot-up screen. If the latest version is displayed, then the update is
complete.
12. Delete the “R09HR_PRG.UPD” file on the SD card, via USB connection from a computer, or
using the R-09HR's card format function.
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I didn't know people didn't know 1.06 was out. I installed it when I got mine a week or two ago.
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So, what setting should I use to record? What Hz, that is?
I'll do 24 bit. But 44.1 -----> 96, and all the ones in between are confusing. is 96Hz just two channels of 48Hz?
Sorry, noob to the 09.
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I recommend 'low self discharge' NiMH rechagables.
I have had much better results with the Eneloops than with higher capacity NiMh's that are not low self discharge. They last plenty long (at least for my purposes) and never seems to give me problems. Also it's nice not to have to reharge the day of a concert.
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also, what number should I shoot for when I'm looking at levels? Just under clipping? Or should I hold back a bit. Thanks, recording for my first time w/this tonight.
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Mako, Thanks so much!
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also, what number should I shoot for when I'm looking at levels? Just under clipping? Or should I hold back a bit. Thanks, recording for my first time w/this tonight.
If recording in 24 bit, I'd try to run levels bvetween -12 & -6. You can add more in post.
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ok thanks. Now, what about what Hz to run at?
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Agree with peaks between -12 and -6dB. For sampling rate, I have always used 44.1khz since I can't tell the difference between that and 96khz, and that way it is CD compatible (after you dither to 16bit as well).
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Thanks. I ran at 96 just to be safe. I can cut it down later. I think I t was 2gb an hour because that's about where it split.
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Thanks. I ran at 96 just to be safe. I can cut it down later. I think I t was 2gb an hour because that's about where it split.
2 GB per hour is correct for 24/96.
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Trying to join them (3 files) in Audacity. But for the life of me I can't find a command to append tracks. Just open a bunch at once.
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Trying to join them (3 files) in Audacity. But for the life of me I can't find a command to append tracks. Just open a bunch at once.
So you have three files you're trying to join together in Audacity?
I think you may not be able to do that but with this program:
http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Addawav/
you will be able to do that and later open it up in audacity.
Maybe you can in Audacity but that addawav is a handy program.
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thanks! I just copy/pasted each track to the end of previous one and then exported. But I will try that as well.
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I'm gonna get my Edirol R09-HR from the post office in three hours from now and I was wondering how the mic-in perfoms to heavy-metal type shows.
I mean: Will the mic-in supply the necessary power to a pair of DPA4061 through the mic-in jack? Just wondering if anyone has had experiences in the past...
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Plug-in power is in the neighborhood of 3V and the 4061s require between 5 and 50V*. Probably a good idea to use a battery box or pre-amp...
*That's what DPA lists on the spec sheet. "Min. 5 V - max 50 V through DPA adapter" (the adapter is DPA DAD6001)
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Plug-in power is in the neighborhood of 3V and the 4061s require between 5 and 50V*. Probably a good idea to use put a battery box or pre-amp...
*That's what DPA lists on the spec sheet.
I suspected that.. Then I'll go with a battery box straight ahead through the line-in.
Thanks anyway
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Plug-in power is in the neighborhood of 3V and the 4061s require between 5 and 50V*. Probably a good idea to use put a battery box or pre-amp...
*That's what DPA lists on the spec sheet.
^^^^^^^
WARNING
Almost all DPA miniature mics require 5-9v power. The only exception is a lower voltage version which they label 'low-DC'. I forget the model number, maybe 4063? It trades a small bit of performance for the ability to run at just 3v. That version might work fine powered by the Edirol alone, but is uncommon around here. DO NOT use much more than 9v unless you are using one of the numerous DPA adapters which step down higher voltages to the 9v range. The actual wording on the spec sheet says something like "Microphone powering- 5 to 50V with adapter", which is a bit confusing. Direct phantom power will likely fry the mic.
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You're right; I should have mentioned that...Original post amended to quote DPA (and I added the part number for the adapter)...
Also, you are correct about the low voltage model: 4063. They say the same thing about powering, but drop the minimum voltage necessary to 3V...
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Is anyone out there using this setup:
CA-11 (omni or card) --> CA-9100 --> R-09HR
I was using Coresound stealthy cardiods --> Coresound BB --> R-09HR and have made the switch to Church gear. I am still rather new to recording, so I'm a little lost on what would be good baseline settings for the pre and R-09HR.
I record everything from loud rock to easy-on-the-ears acoustic and jazz.
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I'll have my 9100 soon (hopefully). right now just using a batt box from SP.
I usually just set my levels during the opening band. If you're taping the opening band, just record and set them during the first song. I try to keep mine around -6 on the 09HR if I can, just adjust the input level.
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I keep my pre on +20 (cranked all the way) and 40 on the HR. Dial down on the 9100 if it's a very loud concert and watch the clip light to make certain you are not clipping at the pre stage.
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I keep my pre on +20 (cranked all the way) and 40 on the HR. Dial down on the 9100 if it's a very loud concert and watch the clip light to make certain you are not clipping at the pre stage.
**WARNING** potentially stupid question forthcoming~~~
The clip light on the 9100 or the HR?
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The clip light on the 9100 or the HR?
Sounds like he's referring to the 9100's clip light. On the HR you can just check the levels, but on the pre you want to make sure you're not overloading at that stage/level as well.
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The clip light on the 9100 or the HR?
Sounds like he's referring to the 9100's clip light. On the HR you can just check the levels, but on the pre you want to make sure you're not overloading at that stage/level as well.
I agree, the light on the 9100.
Good question, though. The hr does have a clip light but in order to make use of it, make sure you have your backlight set greater than a few seconds or else your only indication of peaking will be the bars going into the far right small boxes
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I've just taken delivery of a nice shiny HR, courtesy of the recent SoundPros special! Looks as easy to operate as the R-09. I like the battery compartment on the back instead of that tricky door on the R-09. Don't really like the Hold button's location, but not a deal breaker. Using a totally unscientific method, would level 60 on the HR = approx level 20 on the R-09?
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48 <-> 20?
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Unity on the HR is said to be 40 - 45.
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I keep my pre on +20 (cranked all the way) and 40 on the HR. Dial down on the 9100 if it's a very loud concert and watch the clip light to make certain you are not clipping at the pre stage.
Chris Church always says it's better to control the overall volume using analog as opposed to digital control. In other words, use the CA-9100 (analog) vs the Edirol (digital). However, you are essentially recommending the opposite. Just curious - have you tried Chris' method?
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Both are analog gain stages. The Edirol just has a digital interface adjusting that analog gain, but the signal is still analog at that point.
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I keep my HR at 38 and add the rest of the gain with the 9100. I'd rather add more gain in post than run it too hot at a show. With 24 bit, you don't need to run at near clipping levels. At collective soul I run the 9100 at the 1-2 o'clock position with great results.
Mako
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I keep my HR at 38 and add the rest of the gain with the 9100. I'd rather add more gain in post than run it too hot at a show. With 24 bit, you don't need to run at near clipping levels. At collective soul I run the 9100 at the 1-2 o'clock position with great results.
Mako
Other than having the input at 38, what is your basic setup (various switches) for the HR?
You keep it at 38 for a rock show, how would you change if it were something not as loud - an acoustic show for example?
Edit to add: and what about the bass roll-off switch in the CA-9100?
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I keep my HR at 38 and add the rest of the gain with the 9100. I'd rather add more gain in post than run it too hot at a show. With 24 bit, you don't need to run at near clipping levels. At collective soul I run the 9100 at the 1-2 o'clock position with great results.
Mako
Other than having the input at 38, what is your basic setup (various switches) for the HR?
I have the same question too. Just got my R09-HR a couple days ago and I don't have a clue which is the right basic setup for the switches on the rear...
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I don't use any of the roll-offs. I feel like the input level is the biggest thing. As long as you're not clipping, you can roll off frequencies later - but you can't get them back as easily if they're not there.
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switches in the back:
I have my set to all left, then a small piece of gaff tape over them.
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Another question: Which AA rechargeable batteries should i buy? I tested with an old pair of NiHm 2400 mAh and the R09-HR lasted for about 4 hours, using internal mics, mp3 recording.
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Take a look in the remote power forum.
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Another question: Which AA rechargeable batteries should i buy? I tested with an old pair of NiHm 2400 mAh and the R09-HR lasted for about 4 hours, using internal mics, mp3 recording.
I recommend sanyo 2700mAh rechargeables. I've gotten 7+ hrs recording at 24/96 and 9+ hrs at 24/44.1, both with the backlight on continuously at the lowest brightness setting.
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yeah I like the Eneloops
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I finally broke my original issue R09 line-input jack last night. Bummed.
I thought I could make it last forever, and I know I could have made it last a lot longer; but I dropped it 10', and it landed squarely on top of the input cable, and broke the jack.
The 10' drop didn't kill the unit, just broke the jack. I plugged into the mic-in, and got the capture.
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:D :o Thank you everyone! just read all four sections! :o and subscribed!
I would like to ask a recommendation for the following scenario:
We are using the SP-BMC-3 Sound Professionals Standard Binaural microphones for recording voice only interviews.
(http://www.soundprofessionals.com/mas_assets/full/SP-BMC-3.jpg)
One mic per person and we are just going to record in 320 mp3
I am assuming I plug into the mic input.
I am assuming the plugin power is turned on.
What gain would you recommend?
What should I look for on the meter?
Any other tips?
I will post pics of the setup.
Cheers
Stephen
P.S. Upgraded to 1.06 and running Sandisk Ultra II 16g (class 2) no problems (Note: I was having the freeze issue with 1.05 using the same card)
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play with the gain until the meter is around ~12. if one talks louder than the other, move the mic further away from the mouth because you cannot adjust channels separately.
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Hello everyone. First of all, I wanted to thank all of you for all the great help and the vast amount of knowledge that you have shared on this forum. It has really gotten me into the recording hobby and it it something I greatly enjoy.
I have a zoom H2 and I am interested in replacing it with an Edirol R-09HR. I have gone through the 88 pages of this thread from start to finish and I have a few questions and issues I would like to clear. I will really appreciate if you could help me. I am sorry if some of these seem really stupid but I am a real noob and I wasn't able to find the answers on my own...
1. What does a "hot signal" mean?
2. From what I understood a preamp is used to boost the signal that enters the mics before it reaches the recorder. What will be the difference between two recordings where in the first one, a preamp is used and in the second, using only a BB but then amplifying the recording later using a sound editing software? What will be the difference between the two?
3. Should a preamp only be used in an acoustic, quiet concert?
4. If I am using the following setup: external mics>preamp>R-09HR, if I turn up the gain dB notch on the preamp, will I see the change reflected in the meters of the recorder?
5. on page 12 of this topic, the user Belexes wrote:
I keep my pre on +20 (cranked all the way) and 40 on the HR. Dial down on the 9100 if it's a very loud concert and watch the clip light to make certain you are not clipping at the pre stage.
If the light on the preamp flashes, from what I understood it means that the signal is too high. Is that the signal that enters the mics when it arrives to the preamp or is that the signal that comes out of the preamp after it has been amplified.
I am sorry about all the questions and thank you for all your help.
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Thank you rastasean...I will use your distance tip this weekend!
If I set the input to stereo I could always edit the L & R channels in post to amplify if needed? or if I set to mono I just have one file unbalanced.
Cheers
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1. What does a "hot signal" mean?
2. From what I understood a preamp is used to boost the signal that enters the mics before it reaches the recorder. What will be the difference between two recordings where in the first one, a preamp is used and in the second, using only a BB but then amplifying the recording later using a sound editing software? What will be the difference between the two?
3. Should a preamp only be used in an acoustic, quiet concert?
4. If I am using the following setup: external mics>preamp>R-09HR, if I turn up the gain dB notch on the preamp, will I see the change reflected in the meters of the recorder?
1. One that has plenty of input strength (gain), in other words you don't need to turn up the preamp much to get a high input level. This may be because the audio source is very loud, the mic sensitive, mic is close to the audio source or a preamp between the mic and recorder turned up high.
2. No it boosts the signal after it leaves the mics and before entering the recorder. Most recorders have inbuilt preamps too (R09HR for example). What's a BB? Anyhow, it all depends on how good (quiet) the preamp is. External preamps are almost always better than the inbuilt ones on sub $500 recorders. The preamp also allows you to exercise more bits of the A/D converter, which is a good thing.
Think of the total chain this way -
Mic --> External preamp --> | Internal preamp --> Peak metering --> Analog to digital converter
You may or may not be able to bypass the Internal preamp, this is why many people here are asking about 'unity gain' for the inputs, so that the internal mic preamp isn't doing anything (boost or cut) when you are using an external preamp.
4. Yes. Since you are changing 1.
5. The light is a clip-indicator. It means the signal entering the A/D converter (after the external and or internal preamps) has maxed out. I.e, is now clipping = can't record a louder noise than just received = bad = distortion in recording.
This may interest you...
http://www.digifishmusic.com/public/articles/edirol_mic_preamps.htm
digifish
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Thank you very much digifish for helping me with all these issues. I really appreciate your help. I am now also looking at the link that you attached to find some more info. Can you please clarify these few issues:
2. in BB I meant battery box. I thought I saw some people using that abbreviation but I guess I made it up :)
If I have the two following setups:
A. External Mics>Battery Box>R-09HR
B. External mics>External preamp>R-09HR
What will be the difference between a high signal that enters the recorder after going through an external preamp (option A) and a lower signal that was recorded only using a battery box (option B) but will be later amplified by a sound editing program? In both cases the sensitivity was set at unity gain. Is the only difference is that the preamp creates an analog amplification while the sound editing program creates a digital one or is there anything else that I am missing?
5. I didn't quite understand how the signal can be too high for the preamp so its clip light is flashing? I thought that the preamp is only used to amplify the signal that enters the mics before it goes to the recorder. That may eventually create a signal that will be too high for the recorder to cope with. So what does it mean that the clip light on the preamp is flashing? Doesn't it only add some +dB to the signal so how can it be clipping?
Thanks again and sorry for all the basic questions...
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4. My experiences have been that I get a better sounding recording when I use option B. Actually, I no longer use a BB and only use my 9100 preamp. When you record at a lower level and amplify in post you are amplifying the musioc and the "noise". By using a preamp you can send a "hotter" signal to the recorder with a lower noise level. In turn you will get a better sounding recording.
5. If music is too loud you can exceed the limitations of the exquiptment you are using. I've never had it happen but I know Belexes overloaded his preamp/mis at a Tool show a couple year ago.
Good luck!
Thank you very much digifish for helping me with all these issues. I really appreciate your help. I am now also looking at the link that you attached to find some more info. Can you please clarify these few issues:
2. in BB I meant battery box. I thought I saw some people using that abbreviation but I guess I made it up :)
If I have the two following setups:
A. External Mics>Battery Box>R-09HR
B. External mics>External preamp>R-09HR
What will be the difference between a high signal that enters the recorder after going through an external preamp (option A) and a lower signal that was recorded only using a battery box (option B) but will be later amplified by a sound editing program? In both cases the sensitivity was set at unity gain. Is the only difference is that the preamp creates an analog amplification while the sound editing program creates a digital one or is there anything else that I am missing?
5. I didn't quite understand how the signal can be too high for the preamp so its clip light is flashing? I thought that the preamp is only used to amplify the signal that enters the mics before it goes to the recorder. That may eventually create a signal that will be too high for the recorder to cope with. So what does it mean that the clip light on the preamp is flashing? Doesn't it only add some +dB to the signal so how can it be clipping?
Thanks again and sorry for all the basic questions...
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Thank you 69mako for clearing that up.
I know it never happened to you but can you tell what would cause the clip light on the preamp to flash? Will it only happen if the music is really loud and the preamp is set to add the most gain?
Do you think it is possible that such a scenario will damage the preamp?
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I know it never happened to you but can you tell what would cause the clip light on the preamp to flash? Will it only happen if the music is really loud and the preamp is set to add the most gain?
Do you think it is possible that such a scenario will damage the preamp?
I'm far from an expert, but I would venture that unless the gain pots were set too high, the clip light on the preamp is most likely (analog) overload of the mics or preamp. I think the preamp is more likely to be overloaded than the mics, but it depends on the mics of course. The user guide that came with my Schoeps CCM4s states that basically the only sound level loud enough to overload the mics would be so loud that it would cause instant hearing damage, though the max SPL is listed as 132dB. An explosion is stated as an example. Coupled with a 702 which has a pro line level in (+4dB evidently) and I never have that happen anymore. But hopefully someone more knowledgable (paging DSatz) can chime in.
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A. External Mics>Battery Box>R-09HR
B. External mics>External preamp>R-09HR
What will be the difference between a high signal that enters the recorder after going through an external preamp (option A) and a lower signal that was recorded only using a battery box (option B) but will be later amplified by a sound editing program? In both cases the sensitivity was set at unity gain. Is the only difference is that the preamp creates an analog amplification while the sound editing program creates a digital one or is there anything else that I am missing?
5. I didn't quite understand how the signal can be too high for the preamp so its clip light is flashing? I thought that the preamp is only used to amplify the signal that enters the mics before it goes to the recorder. That may eventually create a signal that will be too high for the recorder to cope with. So what does it mean that the clip light on the preamp is flashing? Doesn't it only add some +dB to the signal so how can it be clipping?
Thanks again and sorry for all the basic questions...
If you are recording loud sources (bands) the differences between A and B won't be important. In my testing of the R09HR + BB (ART Phantom II) + AT3032 mics ...
(http://www.digifishmusic.com/public/images/TapersSection_R44vsR09HRvs_R09_Gear.jpg)
...was so low in self/internal-preamp noise that in a loud environment (95% of what seems to be taped here) it would do a great job. It was about the same as the R44, which is also perfectly OK for recording using the internal pres. Indeed the R44 is great for recording any performance, acoustic, classical, amplified. So the same goes for the R09HR + BB. What will be more important is the external mics you choose.
On the other hand, if you plan to record ambient sounds then none of the preamps in the recorders in my test cut it. That's why I bought a MixPre, but that's not what you will be doing AFAIKS.
5. You said 'amplify the signal that enters the mics' again. The signal goes from the air to the mics to the preamp. The preamp does not do anything to the signal before it enters the mics, that's airborne sound at that point. The preamp amplifies the signal that comes out of the mics before passing to the A/D converter.
Most digital recorders have clipping indicators for the digital to analog converter. The R09HR manual says the peak light is a clipping indicator not an preamp overload.
digifish
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I think I may have been unclear on number 5... ???
I understood that the signal cannot be altered before it enters the mics. I probably didn't explain myself well there (English is not my mother tongue).
When I said "amplify the signal that enters the mics" I meant the signal that is captured by the mics from the air that will be later amplified by the preamplifier before it goes on to the recorder.
When you say A/D converter do you mean Analog/Digital? Is that the conversion that happens when the signal enters the recorder after entering the mics and passing through the preamp or does it already happen at the preamp?
You wrote "Most digital recorders have clipping indicators for the digital to analog converter. The R09HR manual says the peak light is a clipping indicator not an preamp overload."
I can see how the signal can be too strong for the recorder to cope with so the clipping light will start flashing. My question was about the clip light on the preamp. Belexes wrote:
I keep my pre on +20 (cranked all the way) and 40 on the HR. Dial down on the 9100 if it's a very loud concert and watch the clip light to make certain you are not clipping at the pre stage.
So I did not understand how can you be clipping at the preamp stage because its only job is adding some gain to the signal. I thought the clipping could only happen at the recorder...
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1. When you say A/D converter do you mean Analog/Digital? Is that the conversion that happens when the signal enters the recorder after entering the mics and passing through the preamp or does it already happen at the preamp?
2. I can see how the signal can be too strong for the recorder to cope with so the clipping light will start flashing. My question was about the clip light on the preamp.
3. So I did not understand how can you be clipping at the preamp stage because its only job is adding some gain to the signal. I thought the clipping could only happen at the recorder...
1. Yes I mean the analog to digital converter this is the last stage in the signal chain.
Mic --> Preamp or BB --> Recorder preamp --> A/D converter --> Storage.
It is the part (chip) that converts the analog signal into a digital data stream that is saved to file.
2. Yes on a preamp any peak-light is a warning the maximum input voltage (which is what is being sensed) is reached.
3. Clipping a preamp is possible since it has an input (sensing circuit) and an output (amplifying circuit). It is the input that can be driven beyond its maximum input limits if the signal is too hot. The term used around here is 'brick walling'. For example if the maximum input voltage is +/- 1.5V and you feed it 2V it will clip/distort/brickwall.
digifish.
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Thank you vey much digifish for the in depth response and your kind help. I really appreciate it.
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OK,.... Help me out here, please and thanks,...
Have they fixed the shoddy input ism with the new releases?
I'm not going to polish the turd of the broken input jack. Rather than that, I'll use the R09 as an mp3 deck from here out, and get a new recording unit - but not unless y'all tell me that it isn't fixed.
thanks again!
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Have they fixed the shoddy input ism with the new releases?
The R-09HR's input jack is bolted to the circuit board unlike the R-09 where it was just glued on. There's a picture somewhere in this thread that shows this. Haven't heard of anyone with a R-09HR with the input jack failure that occurred with the R-09.
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Have they fixed the shoddy input ism with the new releases?
The R-09HR's input jack is bolted to the circuit board unlike the R-09 where it was just glued on. There's a picture somewhere in this thread that shows this. Haven't heard of anyone with a R-09HR with the input jack failure that occurred with the R-09.
Yeah, Mike, no issues with the input or output jacks on the device.
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Mike, anecdotal but I can tell you that when the jack on my original R-09 failed, Edirol repaired it and I epoxied the new board & jack to keep it from failing again. I later bought a second original R-09 and never bothered to epoxy the jack since no one seemed to be reporting failure problems with those newer units. Both of mine are holding up well 2-1/2 years later, but I haven't done the drop to concrete test. Shouldn't be a problem at all on the HR as noted.
I'll just add that I ran my external pre > mic-in (low gain) to the R-09 with the broken jack for about 5 months before I had a chance to send it in for repair. I turned down the gain to compensate and was happy to find I didn't notice much if any additional noise. HR is quieter but that point is moot using an external preamp.
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thanks guys
unfortunately, I did do the concrete drop test (carpet covered). I had my rig set up as boundary layer, rear wall. I was back there reaching for it to make an adjustment, when a guy I hadn't seen for a couple of years came up and gave me a friendly elbow to the ribs, with a "howdy-do neighbor, long time no see". I jerked my hand back down, and my finger hooked a cable, yanking the deck off his tall shelf (9').
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..tall shelf (9').
D'oh!
That's a big drop. I dropped one about 5' and shot out a foot to break the fall hacky-sac style, but instead kicked the recorder about 15' horizontally across the floor into a wall. I was sure I'd smashed it but the corners of the well-worn, snug Body Glove case absorbed the impact. Unit shut down, but booted back up just fine. The situation was somewhat unusual in that I almost always have the patch cable threaded through the case to the jack, which anchors it to the recorder. That keeps stress off the jack and has more than once acted as a safety leash, catching the recorder in mid-fall before it could fall far enough to hit the ground.
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I've always had my patch cable taped to the rear of the unit (which also provides me space for contact information for when I do stupid crap like leaving it in the venue). I also kept it within a BodyGlove neoprene case for its whole life.
At any rate, the MMA6000 output cable is about 8'6"; the patch cable, about 3" extended below the unit for about 8'9" of a 9' drop. The final 3" were accounted for by the mma6k cable coming to its end, the R09 being jerked upside down, and actually accelerating the inertia directly onto the input jack (the top RA patch cable, actually). This action was much like a bull-whip unfolding at its very end, and cracking the sound barrier!
(_8^(I) ....... D'oh!
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Conjures memories of watching documentary programs on the tribe where young coming-of-age men jump from the tall lashed platform with vines tied to their ankles- just long enough that they twist around at the end and 'barely' hit the ground with a bounce.
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doing the hard work of cross posting for reference:
R-09HR System Update Version 2.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=127756.0)
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seems nothing special for field recording
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seems nothing special for field recording
You can now tell if the band is in tune :)
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I was looking at the chart on this link that compares the different recorders and their specs:
http://www.avisoft.com/tutorial_field_recording.htm
It seems like the Olympus LS-10 and LS -11 are better or about the same as the R-09HR in every aspect so I wanted to ask if you agree with the info that is given in the chart and is there an edge for the Olympus over the Edirol?
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Anyone ever use the low cut(@100) w/omni`s?I was reading not to use it w/ cards but was wondering about omni`s.I used CS low cost binaural`s and it`s a little bassy/muddy.I know about eq/post but just wanted to know if it the bass cut would clean it up alittle to start with.thanks
chris
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I just got and Edirol and I´m going to tape the Faith No More concert in Chile, I have an external mics Microphone Madness MCSM-5 cardioids, I´m new with Edirol, so wich configuration will be the best to record the concert?
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I just got and Edirol and I´m going to tape the Faith No More concert in Chile, I have an external mics Microphone Madness MCSM-5 cardioids, I´m new with Edirol, so wich configuration will be the best to record the concert?
Line in.
88 Khz, 24 bit. check the levels at home before the stereo.
Test again BEFORE the FNM show at another LOUD event so you don't have to change levels at FNM show.
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I've had my R-09HR shut down in the middle of a set a couple of times recently. Anyone else have this happen?
I'm running the deck on external power, with new alkaline AA's in the battery compartment, so I thought that if there was an issue with the external battery, the deck would switch over to internal batteries seamlessly. In fact, when I try at home, I can plug in and unplug the external battery all I want, and the deck just shows that it goes to internal batteries, or vice versa.
I'm wondering if there is an issue with the amperage supplied by the external battery. In other words, could the external battery be providing the right voltage, but not the correct amperage? Would that cause the deck to power itself down without switching to the internal batteries? Very strange.
Last time this happened (taping Elephant Revival the other night) the deck shut down and corrupted the file. I can see the file in the menu, but I can't play it (on the deck or on the PC) and I can't find a way to repair it. I can't reproduce the problem at home. Just getting this random shut-down issue. Hasn't happened a lot, but once is enough.
I read this entire thread and didn't see any mention of anyone having similar issues, but I did realize I was on firmware version 1.03, so I upgraded to 2.0. Not sure if the firmware has anything to do with this, but curious if anyone else has had a similar problem.
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I've had my R-09HR shut down in the middle of a set a couple of times recently. Anyone else have this happen?
I'm running the deck on external power, with new alkaline AA's in the battery compartment, so I thought that if there was an issue with the external battery, the deck would switch over to internal batteries seamlessly. In fact, when I try at home, I can plug in and unplug the external battery all I want, and the deck just shows that it goes to internal batteries, or vice versa.
I'm wondering if there is an issue with the amperage supplied by the external battery. In other words, could the external battery be providing the right voltage, but not the correct amperage? Would that cause the deck to power itself down without switching to the internal batteries? Very strange.
Last time this happened (taping Elephant Revival the other night) the deck shut down and corrupted the file. I can see the file in the menu, but I can't play it (on the deck or on the PC) and I can't find a way to repair it. I can't reproduce the problem at home. Just getting this random shut-down issue. Hasn't happened a lot, but once is enough.
I read this entire thread and didn't see any mention of anyone having similar issues, but I did realize I was on firmware version 1.03, so I upgraded to 2.0. Not sure if the firmware has anything to do with this, but curious if anyone else has had a similar problem.
sorry to hear about your troubles.
Random shutting down has not occurred to me unless the batteries were completely dead.
In fact, when I try at home, I can plug in and unplug the external battery all I want, and the deck just shows that it goes to internal batteries, or vice versa.
This would be like plugging in the ac power adapter, right. the lightening bolt icon comes on and goes off as you unplug it.
I'm no electrician but I would think that if the external sled was able to power the device on, you would be able to record, correct? so I would think it would be enough to power the device.
Have you read this thread:
R-09HR external power (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=112319.0)
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Uplugging the power is NOT the same as letting the external connected batteries run down. So your home trials are not telling you what you need to know about low external battery deck response.
The external plug actuates a bypass switch letting the deck know (mechanically) when internal power needs be used.
In contrast, an external voltage that drops below operating level is likely NOT monitored by the deck like internal batteries. So the deck just shuts down in bad condition not saving the file like expected of internal batteries getting too low.
While doing a technical review that bench tests the deck (done on a loaned from TS member deck) I did NOT test for running this deck off external supplies as over 10 hours possible using internal lilthium AA batteris makes this external powering in the field most rare requirement.
Now I wish to have tested for this requirement.
Technical review of this model at: www.sonicstudios.com/r-09hrrev.htm (http://www.sonicstudios.com/r-09hrrev.htm)
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Thanks, Guy. I just checked the voltage of the battery I was using the other night, and it was still reading 3.15v, which sounds right. (it's the battery pack in the thread referred to above by Rastasean). And then my volt-meter died. So I was gonna try a few other things, but it looked like the battery pack still held a good charge. But is it possible that the battery pack provides the correct voltage but at a lower amperage than the deck needs? The a/c power supply that came with the R-09HR says it provides 3v - 1.2a. What if my external pack provides 3v at 0.9a? I suppose that has to make a difference but I can't test anything until I get new batteries for the volt meter.
Either that or I just need to stick with the internal batteries. But then again, I was having problems with internal re-chargeable AA's so I was trying to stick with something re-useable.
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Measuring batteries while not working into a load like demanded by the deck tells a different story: open cell voltage. Loaded battery voltage is often much lower than unloaded readings.
Rechargeables can be good only if you know how to use and maintain them. In other words, getting reliable service from NiMH and other rechargeable batteries takes knowledge and additional work not needed with disposable types.
My battery powering page has tips section helping to educate about different types of battery use/care at: www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm#tips (http://www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm#tips)
Also suggest making sure the battery plug, deck jack, and battery cells are very clean (I usually clean mine with +91% pure isopropyl alcohol).
Also, test your deck/battery by rotating the power plug watching for intermittant contact that can shut down your deck without notice. Good tact is to secure the power cord to the deck with a velcor strap or similar so plug does not move around so less chance of disconnection spikes.
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probably too early to tell, but I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the inevitable Sony PCM-M10 vs. Edirol R-09HR comparison.
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probably too early to tell, but I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the inevitable Sony PCM-M10 vs. Edirol R-09HR comparison.
Someone started a thread on this but so far not much real comparisons made.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=128792.0 (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=128792.0)
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Beeco,
The only thing that matters in your case is the voltage. The amount of current being drawn is dependent on the resistance of the recorder.
My recommendation would be to get a good pair of rechargeable batteries and forget about external powering all together.
I have been using the same rechargeable batteries in my r09 without a single incident for two years now. Although I do think it is about time for a new pair.
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Hi tapers
I have just received an Edirol R09HR and having gone through the instruction manual, I think I may have received a faulty machine. The problem is that the input level buttons do not make any difference to the recording level when changed from 0 to 99. When I press record the sound is recorded and does not peak. Have I somehow set an automatic recording level that does not appear to be mentioned in the manual?
Any help out there please.
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Hi tapers
I have just received an Edirol R09HR and having gone through the instruction manual, I think I may have received a faulty machine. The problem is that the input level buttons do not make any difference to the recording level when changed from 0 to 99. When I press record the sound is recorded and does not peak. Have I somehow set an automatic recording level that does not appear to be mentioned in the manual?
Any help out there please.
See an answer here... http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=128960.0
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I just recieved my Edirol R-09HR
I just wonder how you figure out what input level you will be using before the band starts to play you want to tape?
Do you wait for them to start playing and then set your levels? Do you set your levels when the support act is playing? Or how do you do it?
I guess it will sound pretty strange if you change the input level when the bands start to play when doing playback on your material. It may start to low or distorted (peak light on).
Let me know how you do since I'm going to a indoors rockconcert this week.
I will be using the internal mics.
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I just recieved my Edirol R-09HR
I just wonder how you figure out what input level you will be using before the band starts to play you want to tape?
Do you wait for them to start playing and then set your levels? Do you set your levels when the support act is playing? Or how do you do it?
The only sure way is to sneak a chicken into the show (you may have to crotch it) and sacrifice it in the bathroom before the performance begins. Then wipe a little of the blood on your recorder and you'll be fine. Oh wait - R09? I was thinking of the Microtrack.
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The only sure way is to sneak a chicken into the show (you may have to crotch it) and sacrifice it in the bathroom before the performance begins. Then wipe a little of the blood on your recorder and you'll be fine. Oh wait - R09? I was thinking of the Microtrack.
Shhhhhhhhhh. Please keep stealth stealth. They don't neet to know how we get all those great recordings!
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If you can, try it in front of your stereo at very high (concert) levels to get you in the ballpark. Setting them during the opener is always a good idea too. Remeber that the headliner is sometimes a little louder. Also, if you record in 24-bit, you don't have to worry too much about recording at near clip levels. Peaks around -6 to -12 is good.
Good luck!!
Mako
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http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=129071.new#new
comparison of 722 to r09hr to m10
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Any other tips setting the input level?
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Any other tips setting the input level?
line-in with an external preamp?
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Craig T, I don't own one yet.
I will get some stuff from Chris soon but the concert I will be doing is in three days so I will only be using the preamp.
I guess I will have to set the input level when support act plays on both Edirol and Videocamera :)
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I run Church Audio CA-14's> ST-9100> R-09HR. I connect via line-in and would start with the R-09HR at 40, then adjust the ST-9100 to get peak levels around -6db (assuming you're running 24bit).
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But I only got an Edirol R-09HR and not a preamp ST-9100 and CA-14 (yet).
What will be a good input level to start out with? Around 20-30, or as high as 40 ?
I will peak around -12 and -6 as you guys have told me. I will do 24/96
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But I only got an Edirol R-09HR and not a preamp ST-9100 and CA-14 (yet).
What will be a good input level to start out with? Around 20-30, or as high as 40 ?
I will peak around -12 and -6 as you guys have told me. I will do 24/96
raise or lower the levels until the meter is around the -12 to -6. there's no magical number because if a number did exist, it wouldn't be constant.
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I ordered my R09HR from the US (I live in Scandinavia) so I cant use the AC adapter that came along since the voltage and input in different.
I read in the user manual that battery's shouldn't be use while transfering material from your Recorder to your Computer. I think it was because if the battery's dies while transfering, it could ruin the files on the SDHC. They recommended to use the AC Adapter.
So to my question... can I use the battery as long as I check that the battery power is all good? Or do I need to get a Voltage and input switch/changer? Alternative would be to get a SDHC-USB-HUB.
And how long does a transfer take? Let's say a recording that's 1 hour in 24/96 ? Just so I know how good the battery's should be when I start transfer.
I really cant see how the files would be ruined, since the files is only being copied. But what the hey...
Could someone help me out please :)
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Just enable the write protection on the SD card and you'll be safe. Or get a cheap external card reader.
The time it takes to transfer your files highly depends on your computer's hard disk speed, but it never took me more than a few minutes to copy files over to my computer. I really don't see how using the batteries for this should be a problem. The worst thing that can happen is that the transfer will just stop and you'll end up with a corrupt file *on your computer* (you'll still have the original file on your SD card).
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The worst thing that can happen is that the transfer will just stop and you'll end up with a corrupt file *on your computer* (you'll still have the original file on your SD card).
Some operating systems write to the SD card even when you don't intend it or know it.
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So to my question... can I use the battery as long as I check that the battery power is all good? Or do I need to get a Voltage and input switch/changer? Alternative would be to get a SDHC-USB-HUB.
If you're that worried about it, use a card reader and keep your 09hr powered off.
It's very hard to know how long it will take because it depends of the read/write speeds of your computer (as Sebastian also said) but an hour a 24/96 is 1.93 gigs so my guess is ~6-10 minutes.
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I ordered my R09HR from the US (I live in Scandinavia) so I cant use the AC adapter that came along since the voltage and input in different.
I got my R09 & R09HR from the US, and the AC adapter is switchable. I had to get another cord to run from the adapter -> wall outlet, but there was no problem on our 240v system. Just make sure it says SWITCHING ADAPTER 100-240v
Our plugs are:
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R09 worked here with:
/ \ The original plug was | |
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Some operating systems write to the SD card even when you don't intend it or know it.
That's why I suggested the SD card's write protection be enabled.
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So I "locked" the card on that 'thingy' on the actual card.
And I transfered the two wav files over to my computer. One file was 2 gb and the other about 600 mb+
When the second wav file (600mb+) was being copied, the Edirol disconnected itself and the transfered stopped, then it connected again. I tried to copy the second file again and it went well.
It took 10 minutes.
Everything seems to work good now :) Now I only need to learn how to edit it all :P crank the volume a bit and such.
I was doing between -12 and -6 as loudest :)
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hi all. I'm a perfect beginner and not only in this topic but all audio taping...
I tried to go thru on most of 4 parts topics...
Thinking of choosing this recorder, have read here mostly good things about it.
My aim is to record rock/metal shows, and that's why I worry what to buy... Im just afraid of distortion, noisy recording, all what I wish is a normal, listenable result... (I'd not stand in the first row, but 15-30 meters from the stage)
(an important point also that I cant pay more than this, and first I'd try recording with internal mics, nothing else to buy than an audio recorder for a while)
Also I'd tape in little venues, but there I cant run farther than 15 metres, so do you have experiences in such a case?
Ive heard a cool metallica bootleg recorded by 09HR and read some other tapers here, but I'd like to read some more experiences of taping heavy music with 09HR and internal mics!
(how much is this better than Zoom h2 for example? So is sony M10 / 50 better, or is this just as good?)
Thanks a lot for this great forum!
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I'd like to read some more experiences of taping heavy music with 09HR and internal mics!
Bottom Line: if you try to record loud music with internal mic - you'll be sorely disappointed bro. It'll sound like shite.
In addition to the recording device, you'll have to get some (at least) OK mics and a battery box or preamp. You get these three items and you'll then have a chance of recording loud rock/metal shows and getting some decent recordings. You'll still need to learn how to position yourself and position the mics - but you've got to have some decent gear first.
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But I only got an Edirol R-09HR and not a preamp ST-9100 and CA-14 (yet).
What will be a good input level to start out with? Around 20-30, or as high as 40 ?
I will peak around -12 and -6 as you guys have told me. I will do 24/96
raise or lower the levels until the meter is around the -12 to -6. there's no magical number because if a number did exist, it wouldn't be constant.
agreed. with just a 9V battery box I usually run my r-09HR at around 60 and move up or down from there.
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hi,
yes I believe with external mics and other stuff are much better.
I just want to say I bought my Edirol and after first night (3 bands) Im satisfied with the result, luckily!
here is a sample (I synched the edirol sound to this video. just a little volume up and eq made in sony vegas to make too heavy "oomp" sound disappear)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RWerq-LWaQ
I hope you like it, and thanks to this forum for help!
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hi,
yes I believe with external mics and other stuff are much better.
I just want to say I bought my Edirol and after first night (3 bands) Im satisfied with the result, luckily!
here is a sample (I synched the edirol sound to this video. just a little volume up and eq made in sony vegas to make too heavy "oomp" sound disappear)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RWerq-LWaQ
I hope you like it, and thanks to this forum for help!
Sounds pretty good. 8)
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Hi guys!!
I'm italian, sorry if i made some mistake with english.
I will go to taping Deep Purple on 14 december, and i have an Edirol R09HR. This is my 1st experience of taping with this gear.
I have upgrade the firmware with the 2.0 version, now i want to know some information about the settings of the gear.
I use the internal mic, with the mic gain LOW, the LIMITER/AGC set to OFF, LOW CUT set to OFF. Is it fine for a rock concert?
Then, which is a good input level for a live concert ? I can set it from 0 to 80 ....
Please reply with some tips for make a good recording.
Thanks
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Just had a problem two times in a row. When my r-09HR started a new file after 2:15
of recording, the second file was corrupted when i got home and tryed to open it. Thankful both
times it was the closing applause and i didn't miss more than a few seconds of music on one show.
Could not be repaired by any wave header program.
I attributed this to deleting the last files on the card instead of formatting. I will format from now on.
On my reg r-09 i deleted files hundreds of times without any issues.
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Andrea82, your english is great. Sounds like you have it figured out. Your question is covered every few pages in this thread whenever someone new buys one of these recorders. The best answer is found one page back:
I just recieved my Edirol R-09HR
I just wonder how you figure out what input level you will be using before the band starts to play you want to tape?
Do you wait for them to start playing and then set your levels? Do you set your levels when the support act is playing? Or how do you do it?
The only sure way is to sneak a chicken into the show (you may have to crotch it) and sacrifice it in the bathroom before the performance begins. Then wipe a little of the blood on your recorder and you'll be fine. Oh wait - R09? I was thinking of the Microtrack.
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Andrea82, your english is great. Sounds like you have it figured out. Your question is covered every few pages in this thread whenever someone new buys one of these recorders. The best answer is found one page back:
I just recieved my Edirol R-09HR
I just wonder how you figure out what input level you will be using before the band starts to play you want to tape?
Do you wait for them to start playing and then set your levels? Do you set your levels when the support act is playing? Or how do you do it?
The only sure way is to sneak a chicken into the show (you may have to crotch it) and sacrifice it in the bathroom before the performance begins. Then wipe a little of the blood on your recorder and you'll be fine. Oh wait - R09? I was thinking of the Microtrack.
Ok! I have read the pages, thanks :)
Just another question: Is it reccomended to record with MIC GAIN set to LOW?
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hey gang,
picked up a used r-09hr yesterday. it is just the recorder, no remote and no ac adaptor. can someone post the model numbers for these parts?
i have a couple of r-09's and i know the ac adaptor is PSB-6U, but i can't find info on the one for the hr.
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did a little more searching and found this link: http://www.rolandcorp.com.au/assets/media/pdf/Adaptors.pdf
it is the same ac adaptor. now to find the remote.
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hey gang,
picked up a used r-09hr yesterday. it is just the recorder, no remote and no ac adaptor. can someone post the model numbers for these parts?
i have a couple of r-09's and i know the ac adaptor is PSB-6U, but i can't find info on the one for the hr.
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did a little more searching and found this link: http://www.rolandcorp.com.au/assets/media/pdf/Adaptors.pdf
it is the same ac adaptor. now to find the remote.
If you don't have the remote, thats what I would get over the AC adapter. the battery life on the 09hr is very good and the adapter doesn't charge the batteries--only provides power while its plugged in.
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I just got my Naiant preamp which will be my permanent front-end to my r-09HR. I'm trying to figure out the ideal gain staging for the setup, and am wondering if the input level control on the Edirol is controlling an attenuator on the input (meaning that input level set at max would avoid using the attenuator and thus hypothetically be ideal regarding headroom/ S/N ) or, rather, if there is a nominal level above which one is adding amplification.
For reference, I did a test recording with the Naiant volumes cranked to the max and the Edirol set at input level of 30, which was the optimum level for the source in question. It sounded quite good, but I'm wondering if a different gain staging might sound "better"...
Thanks in advance!
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[there is a nominal level above which one is adding amplification.] -yes, and it attenuates at lower settings.
You're probably near the sweet spot around 30 or near half the input scale. I use the older R-09s with input range numbers that run from 0-30 and shoot for 13-17 or so. An actual HR user may chime in.. it was covered early on in the earliest HR thead if you want to go back and look.
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Chris Church once posted that the line in unity gain is 38.
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Thanks for the quick feedback fmaderjr&Gutbucket... I'll try 38 and see how that works out..
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Chris Church once posted that the line in unity gain is 38.
any recollection of the thread or post where this was?
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Chris Church once posted that the line in unity gain is 38.
any recollection of the thread or post where this was?
Take a look at these posts:
Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=121455.msg1621443;topicseen#msg1621443)
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=105893.msg1437779#msg1437779
and the post under it.
Does it really have to be that specific of a number?
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Does it really have to be that specific of a number?
Sometimes... On the r09, trim 8 = okay, trim 7 = distortion risk. It has been suggested the HR behaves similarly.
So if you're already at min gain on your pre-amp, and still at risk of clipping; there is a point where letting it clip may be better than reducing the trim.
And the really important question is what trim and input level combination *sound* the best. Running a recorder hot doesn't always produce the most pleasing result.
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Chris Church once posted that the line in unity gain is 38.
No-I didn't save any quotes I could search for. I'm not going from memory though- I made an immediate note on a pdf copy of the manual. You could PM him and see if he still feels that way or has made further tests and revised his opinion.
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Chris Church once posted that the line in unity gain is 38.
any recollection of the thread or post where this was?
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=115229.msg1580494#msg1580494
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So I just bought the R-09HR and I have a few questions I hope someone can answer. I taped a few shows years ago with a Sony minidisc, but I'm still very much an amateur.
I will want to transfer these shows to my pc, and then make cds in wav format. Do I need to record at 16 bit/44.1 khz to do this?
With my minidisc, I used sound professional omni mics and battery box with recording levels. Is it correct I won't need to use those recording levels because they are on the edirol?
I would rather not use rechargeable batteries. Is it ok to use engergizer AA lithium batteries with this recorder?
Thanks.
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Is your battery box also a preamp? If so, you will probably want to run it into the R-09's line in jack. As for 16 versus 24 bits, 24 is superior because it gives you much more dynamic range. You can set your gain much more conservatively and adjust things after on the PC in just about any audio editor. You can dither down to 16-bit for CD burning on the PC as well. Sorry I can't help with the battery question. I get about 8 hours with Maha/PowerEx brand rechargeables.
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Are any of you musicians and have you tried the tuner and metronome functions in the latest firmware? I hope they are better implemented than the halfspeed playback that echoes so much!
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So I just bought the R-09HR and I have a few questions I hope someone can answer. I taped a few shows years ago with a Sony minidisc, but I'm still very much an amateur.
I will want to transfer these shows to my pc, and then make cds in wav format. Do I need to record at 16 bit/44.1 khz to do this?
With my minidisc, I used sound professional omni mics and battery box with recording levels. Is it correct I won't need to use those recording levels because they are on the edirol?
I would rather not use rechargeable batteries. Is it ok to use engergizer AA lithium batteries with this recorder?
Thanks.
You can record at the highest quality and down sample to burn to CD. Most of us do that by recording at 48/24 and downsampling to 44.1/16 to burn to CD and post on the net.
this is the linage for my 09hr
mics(ca14 cards/omnis) > pre-amp(ca9100) > line-in on 09HR
With this, you adjust the levels on the pre-amp and on the 09hr until the meter is around between -12 to -6 avoiding peaking.
Any AA battery will be fine but why don't you want to use rechargeable batteries?
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I will want to transfer these shows to my pc, and then make cds in wav format. Do I need to record at 16 bit/44.1 khz to do this?
As mentioned above, it's recommended that you record at 24bit and then convert to 16bit afterwards. 24bit will allow you to set your recording levels conservatively and then boost the volume when you process it on your computer without noticeably increasing background noise/hiss. As a rule of thumb, you can should aim for peak levels of -12dB to -6dB on the R-09HR, but closer to -12dB is fine too in my experience with it.
With my minidisc, I used sound professional omni mics and battery box with recording levels. Is it correct I won't need to use those recording levels because they are on the edirol?
I'm not sure what you're asking, but I would set levels on the R-09HR.
I would rather not use rechargeable batteries. Is it ok to use engergizer AA lithium batteries with this recorder?
Yep, I don't see any reason not to use lithium AAs.
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Yep, I don't see any reason not to use lithium AAs.
I agree given that you refuse to use rechargeeables. They will last twice as long as alkalines, I think.
However your battery meter will give you hardly any warning before they go dead, so you'll need to ditch them early to avoid them conking out on you during a recording. Also you'll spend a ton more money on batteries than if you used rechargeables.
Did you have a bad experience with rechargeables? The new eneloop AA's are very reliable, even though only 2000 mA. If you don't record over 5 hours at a time, they would be fine and then you can give them a fresh charge before the next use. Mine are still going strong after 14 months and actually test out at 2100+ mA in my LaCrosse BC-900 battery charger/tester.
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So I just bought the R-09HR and I have a few questions I hope someone can answer. I taped a few shows years ago with a Sony minidisc, but I'm still very much an amateur.
I will want to transfer these shows to my pc, and then make cds in wav format. Do I need to record at 16 bit/44.1 khz to do this?
With my minidisc, I used sound professional omni mics and battery box with recording levels. Is it correct I won't need to use those recording levels because they are on the edirol?
I would rather not use rechargeable batteries. Is it ok to use engergizer AA lithium batteries with this recorder?
Thanks.
You can record at the highest quality and down sample to burn to CD. Most of us do that by recording at 48/24 and downsampling to 44.1/16 to burn to CD and post on the net.
this is the linage for my 09hr
mics(ca14 cards/omnis) > pre-amp(ca9100) > line-in on 09HR
With this, you adjust the levels on the pre-amp and on the 09hr until the meter is around between -12 to -6 avoiding peaking.
Any AA battery will be fine but why don't you want to use rechargeable batteries?
I just picked one response, but thanks to all who answered, you all helped. I will take your advice and record at 24 bit. But I have a dumb question since I also have limited computer knowledge. Is it simple to convert 24 bit to 16? Or can someone point me to a tutorial showing me how to do this?
I guess I don't have a good reason for not using rechargeable, just seeing friends with rechargeables in their cameras run out when they need them. I'll think about getting them though, I know it will save money. I'll be travelling with this equipment, but if I just bring an extra pair I should be ok.
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Hey all! I got my R-09HR used off a taper here (was great offer). Stoked to start using this. Although I'll have to be more active in transferring recordings because with the iriver i would just leave stuff on there for days and weeks, haha. Since this uses the cards, I dont have that much room. And if im recording 24/48 that means I gotta be "real" quick.
No FM recording though :(
Other than that, just got to find my rechargeable double AAs and Im ready to rock.
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Is it simple to convert 24 bit to 16? Or can someone point me to a tutorial showing me how to do this?
I guess I don't have a good reason for not using rechargeable, just seeing friends with rechargeables in their cameras run out when they need them.
It's simple to convert 24 bit to 16. Most people don't get a program just to covert-most any audio editor will do it. How to do it depends on the audio editor you'll be using. I use Adobe Audition but there are good free ones. I think many here use Audacity. When you decide on your audio editor, someone who uses it can help show you you to convert, but it's extremely simple.
Most good NiMh rechargeables actually last much longer than alkalines in cameras & recorders and may approach the running time of lithiums. Just keep an extra set on hand and you'll be fine (but except for festivals, you normally won't even need a spare set).
As to your earlier Q regarding level control on your battery box, the main reason it was included was so that you could adjust levels on the fly with the old style of Sony MD's that had to be paused to change level. With the HR, you can leave the battery box set to maximum level and adjust with the HR.
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As others have recently pointed out, there have been a lot of basic questions lately that have been answered many, many times before. Make an effort, and take a few minutes of your time to use the search function.
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O.K....My Edrirol HR is currently being repaired. Recorded last week, set the levels and everything looked great, peaking around -6db. When I got home and listened it became clear that there was a problem, the bass in the recording kept cutting out so even though the levels were fine the recording went from one with bass to one without bass.
The following day I checked to find the problem.....Every time I touched the cable going into the Line in on the recorder it changed....I changed the cable to make sure it wasn't the cable....no change. I know there were issues with the original R-09 but I thought they'd been resolved?
Is there any way or any thing that can prevent stress on the socket....I'm talking physical prevention rather than "treat it kindly" sort of advice? Any help gratefully received, also why did the bass frequencies cut out rather than the whole recording?
Looking forward to getting my "baby" back soon.....
David.
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Line-in comp between the R-09HR and the Tascam DR-2d:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=131126.msg1761056#msg1761056
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hey folks, i just purchased an HR....i've had an r09 for a while but was wondering if anyone could shed some light a few things so i don't have to go through 100ish pages of replies.....
external power tip size?
polarity?
voltage?
thanks in advance ;)
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I'm pretty sure it is a B tip, and you can run it on 5v batteries like a lenmar powerport. I don't know about the polarity, but I'm sure Ted could shed some light on this. I recently got one too! I haven't had a chance to use it.
hey folks, i just purchased an HR....i've had an r09 for a while but was wondering if anyone could shed some light a few things so i don't have to go through 100ish pages of replies.....
external power tip size?
polarity?
voltage?
thanks in advance ;)
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Thanks, yep i've got it working now. For some reason it wouldn't power up using one of my Digital Concepts PP-99 batteries. My Tekkeon works fine with it.
b tip
positive polarity
as far as i can tell it's 5v....that's the lowest setting on my tekkeon anyway.
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I have a friend that uses the pp-99 with his r09hr at the 5v setting. Might want to give it another shot and I think you have to take out the AA batteries.
Thanks, yep i've got it working now. For some reason it wouldn't power up using one of my Digital Concepts PP-99 batteries. My Tekkeon works fine with it.
b tip
positive polarity
as far as i can tell it's 5v....that's the lowest setting on my tekkeon anyway.
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yeah it just worked w/ my pp99.....after updating to the latest firmware. Not really a fan of the inputs on the side but glad i got everything working. Thanks for the help 8)
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Hello, i Have been using the r-09 ever since it was introduced.
I use DPA 4022>sonosax pre amp ( settings around 14db)> r-09 ( settings at 5-7) I use these setting for loud shows like Van Halen when I am in 12 rows or closer. the r-09 seems to handle the low input level of 5-7. If i increase the gain on the sonosax to say 20db then i will clip all the time. I am not technically gifted to understand why, but those low setting seem to work. Even with a softer show say acoustic show, i may adjust edirol to input level say 12-14 while the sonosax is at 14db and these setting appear to be ok. since i stealth I really dont look at the setting on the edirol or even adjust them. I just set it and forget it. The sonosax preamp is so buried that there would be no way to dial more or less gain. So i just let go in with a guess of how loud the show might be. So recording my edirol at an input of 5-7 seems to be fine.
If i run my sonosax at 20 db and r-09 at unity I will brickwall.
Even running open shows say at Gov't Mule i could not run sonosax at 20db adn the edirol at like 7 without clipping. So it seems the more i actually increase the sonosax gain the more distorted. I did 3 shows of Govt mule in a row same seats 5 rows on Warrens side, and i used 3 different setting adjustments.
1. used the sonosax at 20db and edirol r-09 at around 9
2. sonosax at 14 edirol at around 9
3. sonosax at 10-12 db and edirol around 7 , this for me got better results.
I have found that if i increase the gain of the sonosax pre amp it becomes a bit distorted, but if i increase the input of the r-09 I get a much cleaner sound?
but i digress
My biggest question is I am looking to getting the HR -09 now that my r-09 might be having some lose connections.
so one of my biggest questions going from r-09 and jumping up to the r-09HR should not be much of a learning curve and could expect similiar results?
the one difference is i see the r-09 goes from 0-30 where the edirol HRr-09 uses a different set of numbers and goes up to 80 i think, so i wonder:
1. if i set the r-0-9 at an input of 7, then how is that proportional to a setting on the edirol HR -0-9?
2. a big thanks in advance to the questions thanks for helping
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groundhog2, the polarity on edirol devices is opposite of most other things so its center negative at 5 volts.
Recent post in regards to external power supply for this recorder: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=144995.0
bluntforcetrauma, The 09HR does up up to level 80 but I suspect you would be comfortable setting the recorder anywhere from 40-50. The nice thing about the hr is that is hs 24 bit so you can have a little more leeway to give it more gain from the pre-amp. Just a side note, set the gain on the HR prior to the band starting because there is a very faint noise when increasing the levels. If you need to adjust the levels while the band is on, I would recommend using the pre-amp and not the HR.
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1. if i set the r-0-9 at an input of 7, then how is that proportional to a setting on the edirol HR -0-9?
Anything below 8 on the r09 produces audible distortion. I found it easy to hear on sources with significant bass. Even setting 8 may produce subtle distortion that is more difficult to hear.
You may want to try using an attenuator.
The m10 seems to do better at handling hot signals. I have not heard any outright reports of distortion. I have heard reports that the r09hr will distort signals if the trim is run below a certain setting. I would seriously consider the m10 over the r09hr if I were buying today. But I have yet to hear of anyone doing m10 quality testing of hot signals at low settings.
I think all of these little recorders use digital attenuation. So it is valid to ask whether an upstream attenuator would be better than turning them down 'too far'.
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I know this is going to be a weird request but does anyone have each and every individual firmware update for the R-09HR? I thought Edirol would have them catalogued on their website but I can't find it if they do. I thought I had them all but I can't find them here either.
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I recently picked up a used R09HR. It has ver. 1.04 firmware. I need to update it but to which version? v1.06, v2.0 or v3.01?
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I'm no expert on the R09HR, but the 3.01 has a ecomode that gets better battery run times. I'm not sure if earlier versions also have this.
I recently picked up a used R09HR. It has ver. 1.04 firmware. I need to update it but to which version? v1.06, v2.0 or v3.01?
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I'm very interested in the Eco mode function. I guess I'll be upgrading today. Any idea on average running time with four AAs and eco mode?
I'm no expert on the R09HR, but the 3.01 has a ecomode that gets better battery run times. I'm not sure if earlier versions also have this.
I recently picked up a used R09HR. It has ver. 1.04 firmware. I need to update it but to which version? v1.06, v2.0 or v3.01?
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On mine with the ecomode it R09HR was registering 5 hour and 35 minute runtime! That was with 2000 mah enelopes. So around eleven hours on 4. I actually record 2 show at around 3 hours per show w/o recharging the batteries and never lost a bar on the battery meter.
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I read somewhere that ver. 3 takes away the hidden menu? Is there anything in the hidden menu I need to be concerned about losing?
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I'm not sure I never used the hidden menu so it hasn't bothered me.
I read somewhere that ver. 3 takes away the hidden menu? Is there anything in the hidden menu I need to be concerned about losing?
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I'm not sure I never used the hidden menu so it has bothered me.
I read somewhere that ver. 3 takes away the hidden menu? Is there anything in the hidden menu I need to be concerned about losing?
The hidden menu will make the recording start in one press which now would take two presses. I think it can also disable the red recording ring.
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I'm not sure I care about the one touch record since most of the time I am taping open and have it in record-pause prior to the band getting on stage. Turning off the red light would be a bonus, but not sure if I'd use that more than the Eco-mode. Is there a downside to using the Eco-mode? If not, why wouldn't it be turned on by default by Roland?
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When you set it to ecomode it stays there unless you turn off the ecomode. It will show an ecomode display during startup. I haven't found any down fall to ecomode.
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How do you access ecomode ? Is this just going to menu and changing it from alkaline to nimh ???????
Steve
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It is in the menu options! You have to have the most current firmware
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Is there a downside to using the Eco-mode?
As I recall when I was using version 3.0 (before I reverted to version 2) there was a huge downside. The new manual pages that came with version 3.0 said that you were limited to 16 bit recordings. You could not use eco-mode and record in 24 bits. If this is correct, most of us would never want to use eco-mode.
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Can someone dumb down eco mode. I have the newest firmware and saw when i hit menu and then scroll down i had the option of selecting alkaline and nimh . Is this what your talking about ?
Steve
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I recorded New Mastersounds using ecomode in 24bit!! So maybe in 3.01 they fixed that.
Is there a downside to using the Eco-mode?
As I recall when I was using version 3.0 (before I reverted to version 2) there was a huge downside. The new manual pages that came with version 3.0 said that you were limited to 16 bit recordings. You could not use eco-mode and record in 24 bits. If this is correct, most of us would never want to use eco-mode.
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No, If I remember correctly when I installed the new firmware it gave me the option in the menu and you just turn it on and restart the recorder. On start up it will display ecomode when it flashes the firmware number you are running.
Can someone dumb down eco mode. I have the newest firmware and saw when i hit menu and then scroll down i had the option of selecting alkaline and nimh . Is this what your talking about ?
Steve
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I know this is going to be a weird request but does anyone have each and every individual firmware update for the R-09HR? I thought Edirol would have them catalogued on their website but I can't find it if they do. I thought I had them all but I can't find them here either.
No one here has them all saved?
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I know this is going to be a weird request but does anyone have each and every individual firmware update for the R-09HR? I thought Edirol would have them catalogued on their website but I can't find it if they do. I thought I had them all but I can't find them here either.
No one here has them all saved?
Here you go.
http://www.2shared.com/file/eQgxwQsL/R09HR_v200.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/TNPWfdjX/R09HR_v300.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/6SNcNITP/R09HR_sys_v301.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/GJqR0S3m/R09HR_v104.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/Uqc-qz8t/r09hr_v106.html
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I recorded New Mastersounds using ecomode in 24bit!! So maybe in 3.01 they fixed that.
Is there a downside to using the Eco-mode?
As I recall when I was using version 3.0 (before I reverted to version 2) there was a huge downside. The new manual pages that came with version 3.0 said that you were limited to 16 bit recordings. You could not use eco-mode and record in 24 bits. If this is correct, most of us would never want to use eco-mode.
Cool. Now economode becomes useful!
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I know this is going to be a weird request but does anyone have each and every individual firmware update for the R-09HR? I thought Edirol would have them catalogued on their website but I can't find it if they do. I thought I had them all but I can't find them here either.
No one here has them all saved?
Here you go.
http://www.2shared.com/file/eQgxwQsL/R09HR_v200.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/TNPWfdjX/R09HR_v300.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/6SNcNITP/R09HR_sys_v301.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/GJqR0S3m/R09HR_v104.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/Uqc-qz8t/r09hr_v106.html
Thanks man...much appreciated.
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HEY FOLKS! I just pulled the trigger and I am about to update the firmware from 1.04. I assume that all the upgrades as they are released include the fixes made in previous upgrades. Now, I am trying to figure out which one will be the best as I am not convinced that the latest version has anything to offer the concert taper. Would 1.06 do the trick then? The newest version seems to be have features that would be useless for my needs.
Thanks in advance.
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Would 1.06 do the trick then? The newest version seems to be have features that would be useless for my needs.
Thanks in advance.
Other than Eco mode (which has not been proven to be more economical on batteries AFAIK) there is no reason to upgrade to the latest firmware IMO. If someone has done a scientific comparison between regular mode and Eco mode feel free to prove me wrong.
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I am still using 1.04 because of the hidden menu.
I can turn the red light off and one touch recording.
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Would 1.06 do the trick then? The newest version seems to be have features that would be useless for my needs.
That's what I would do. I have downgraded from 3.0 to 2.0 and finally to 1.06. I like the hidden menu (discussed in an earlier thread) which can't be accessed from 3.0. It allows you to turn off the bright record light among other things. You can access it from 1.06 as well as 1.04 and I think 1.06 allows you to use a larger memory card.
You can also access it from 2.0, but all 2.0 added was features I never use that show up in the menu like a metronome function, so I am happier with 1.06 myself.
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I think 1.06 allows you to use a larger memory card.
Change of version 1.06
* Compatible with 32GB SDHC (High Capacity) memory cards.
* Improve the S/N ratio during 88.2kHz/96kHz recording/playback.
1.04 and 1.06 both say the same thing here. I guess the S/N ratio improved with both versions. They introduced 32GB compatibility in 1.04 and in 1.06 I think they just expanded the range of cards that were compatible. I don't know where the list of compatible cards is located but I definitely remember seeing a list at some point. I always use Kingston and never had a problem.
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I ran my R09HR at a two day fest this weekend on Mississippi. Saturday was hella hot - over 90F and humid. Ran it almost nonstop for 12+ hours, only turning it off to change batteries a few times. It seemed to run pretty hot but it was damn sunny out there. I did cover my gear with a towel for shade but wonder if anyone else has experienced this?
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thanks for the input everyone...will give the 1.06 a try.
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Cherry-popped the new r-09hr last night at MMJ. Ran like a charm. Went UA-5>R-09hr 24/48 w/ tekkeon and GAKable. Rode the levels hard just to see its reaction...no problems. Automatic file split worked fine and the metering was excellent. I even used a 8GB SDHC that my Marantz 661 doesn't like...
Should be a nice addition to the littlebox rig and those st*(&th situations. Thanksfor the help pholks.
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Did you let go of your M10??
Would 1.06 do the trick then? The newest version seems to be have features that would be useless for my needs.
That's what I would do. I have downgraded from 3.0 to 2.0 and finally to 1.06. I like the hidden menu (discussed in an earlier thread) which can't be accessed from 3.0. It allows you to turn off the bright record light among other things. You can access it from 1.06 as well as 1.04 and I think 1.06 allows you to use a larger memory card.
You can also access it from 2.0, but all 2.0 added was features I never use that show up in the menu like a metronome function, so I am happier with 1.06 myself.
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I have the HR running version 1.06
What is the hidden menu everyone talks about?
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I ran my R09HR at a two day fest this weekend on Mississippi. Saturday was hella hot - over 90F and humid. Ran it almost nonstop for 12+ hours, only turning it off to change batteries a few times. It seemed to run pretty hot but it was damn sunny out there. I did cover my gear with a towel for shade but wonder if anyone else has experienced this?
well, it is black and matte.
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I ran my R09HR at a two day fest this weekend on Mississippi. Saturday was hella hot - over 90F and humid. Ran it almost nonstop for 12+ hours, only turning it off to change batteries a few times. It seemed to run pretty hot but it was damn sunny out there. I did cover my gear with a towel for shade but wonder if anyone else has experienced this?
well, it is black and matte.
I think you must have missed the part where I said I covered my gear, so the color should make no difference?
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if you cover any running electronics with an insulator like that, it'll also get hot. Really either way it's inevitable in that length of time.
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I have the HR running version 1.06
What is the hidden menu everyone talks about?
??
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I have the HR running version 1.06
What is the hidden menu everyone talks about?
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=137086.msg1782512#msg1782512
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Thanks!!! ;D
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is this being discontinued? Hard to even find anywhere to buy. Did something replace it? I see a R-05, but it doesn't seem to be widely available either.
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Plenty of new ones available on E-Bay, but since they cost a good bit more than a new M10 I don't think many of us will be going that route.
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I purchased my Edirol R-09HR a few months ago along with Core Sound Cardioid mics with the plain battery box (no bass roll off). Since then I've recorded twelve or so shows, mostly Southern rock, in various venues (outside, inside, under a canopy roof), from a wide array of seating locations (front row, balcony, middle/side of the venue), and have always used the same settings (CSC's clipped to shirt lapels and hooked to battery box then out to mic inputs, Input Level > 42, Limiter > ON, Plug In Power > OFF, Low Cut > OFF, Mic Gain > Low). I do all of my post editing with Audacity on a Mac. I've found the best recordings to be when I'm in line with the speakers stacks back about 30 feet so I always try to get seats (bad knees keep standing at a minimum) in that location. The worst recording I've had was from the balcony of a venue where the speaker stacks were pointed downward toward the floor standing audience. As with most folks here, I'm looking to learn more and have better results.
Any comments would be gracefully and constructively received. Thanks. :)
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...and have always used the same settings (CSC's clipped to shirt lapels and hooked to battery box then out to mic inputs, Input Level > 42, Limiter > ON, Plug In Power > OFF, Low Cut > OFF, Mic Gain > Low).
If these settings work for your ears, then that's all that matters...however, most of us will suggest using the line-in when coming from a batt.box or pre-amp as it can handle a hotter signal. In addition, you might find that without the limiter engaged you might get a better pull too.
Hope this helps.
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...have always used the same settings (CSC's clipped to shirt lapels...
I used to go the "clipped to the shirt lapel or collar" route. I got OK results some of the time. But I noticed a really significant difference when I started connecting to my glasses. I don't know if it was the extra foot or so in elevation or the more open air around the mics. But it made a very distinct difference. I suppose that extra foot of elevation raises the mics up above the most of the crowd around me (I'm a little over 6') and that helps a lot.
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I got a used HR, ver. 2.00. Can you tell me how to make the the backlight stay on at full brightness continously. I was at a day time festival yesterday, and could not see the levels on the screen. Is there a place in the menu to keep the screen at full brightness, without it dimming down (to save the batteries ? ) ? Also, I can not get the on board speaker to play. Is there a setting to turn it back on? Thanks for any input.
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probably turning off power save.
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Figured out the playback speaker. Still not sure about the dimming that happens while in recoed mode. I do have the "auto power off" in the off position under the Power Manage. What about the "rec/peak LED" under Display Setup? I had it on the "normal", not "power manage". thanks again...
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Joining thread. I'm starting to have some line-in problems on my R-09HR (occasional static related to input jack movement) and figured I should read through the threads here. I've done about 100 shows with it, so not surprised to have some wear and tear...
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Joining thread. I'm starting to have some line-in problems on my R-09HR (occasional static related to input jack movement) and figured I should read through the threads here. I've done about 100 shows with it, so not surprised to have some wear and tear...
It turns out it was just a dirty line in jack on the R-09HR. Thanks to a tip from some TS pros, I cleaned it out with isopropyl alcohol and it works fine now.
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I cleaned it out with isopropyl alcohol
What procedure did you use. IE; a cotton bud won't fit in the hole.
Just curious for future reference.
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I cleaned it out with isopropyl alcohol
What procedure did you use. IE; a cotton bud won't fit in the hole.
Just curious for future reference.
Just pour it straight in the hole. ;D
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I cleaned it out with isopropyl alcohol
What procedure did you use. IE; a cotton bud won't fit in the hole.
Just curious for future reference.
Just pour it straight in the hole. ;D
Sounds like a Tom Waits show.
You could cleanly cut the end off a cotton bud and soak the paper stick in alcohol.
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Be sure to do your best gravely T.Waits imitation when working down in the hole.
I've used the cut off Q-tip paper stick which works. But usually I just dunk the mini plug in alcohol, wipe it clean, dunk again so it's dripping and use that to clean the jack by pluging it in and out repeatedly, twisting it around, and repeating that a few times until the noise is gone.
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...plugging it in and out repeatedly, twisting it around, and repeating that a few times until the noise is gone.
In other words - it's basically the same as a good lay. ::) ;D :-X
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...plugging it in and out repeatedly, twisting it around, and repeating that a few times until the noise is gone.
In other words - it's basically the same as a good lay. ::) ;D :-X