Topic: Running NOS close on the stacks? 4 mic mix...

[justink]

thinking of going NOS 90* (cards) in 7th row on the stack monday for DMB.
 
i'm also running omni's A-B (3 foot spaced) in the same seat. 

it'll look like this:

mc012 (card) (?NOS 90*, XY 90*, or A-B?) >>>>>\
                                                                         > Mixpad4 > D7
SP-bmc-3 (omni) (A-B spaced 3 feet)  > BatBox >>/
 
thoughts?

pics coming...
 
-j

[justink]

Pics!

[dmonterisi]

uhh, maybe a resize of those pics is in order?

[justink]

uhh, maybe a resize of those pics is in order?

DOH!  i'll try...

you can click the small link and "open" them that way too. 

[cgrooves]

Have you run your omnis split A-B before?  I know that 3' isn't considered a wide split, and that there is no chance of getting a 'hole in the middle' with a 3' split, but I was VERY surprised at how much bass was on my 1' A-B split omni source from a recent outdoor pull.  From what I've read / been told, the low frequency response increases with the distance between the omnis. I would have preferred to have run at about 3', but was glad I didn't after I transferred and played it back. That being said, do it. You will probably be pleased with the results and can always eq in post if necessary.

Don't have any knowledge / advise on the NOS setup in this mix.

[justink]

new, re-sized pics.   

the t-bar for the omni's is a square wooden dowel i picked up from home depot for $1.29.  i cut some notches in the ends that the omni caps fit perfectly/snugly.  i then put the dowel in a vice and drilled the holes for the sabrasom t-bar threads to go through.  the width of the dowel left me just enough room to screw on the shockmounts (look familiar dmonterisi?  ) with a small rubber o'ring between for fit and snugness when trying to position the mics.  then i spray painted the dowel flat black.  presto!  custom t-bar that cost me all of $3 tops!

dmonterisi; this is my first time taking out your old shockmounts!  i'm excited! 

-j

[justink]

Have you run your omnis split A-B before?  I know that 3' isn't considered a wide split, and that there is no chance of getting a 'hole in the middle' with a 3' split, but I was VERY surprised at how much bass was on my 1' A-B split omni source from a recent outdoor pull.  From what I've read / been told, the low frequency response increases with the distance between the omnis. I would have preferred to have run at about 3', but was glad I didn't after I transferred and played it back. That being said, do it. You will probably be pleased with the results and can always eq in post if necessary.

Don't have any knowledge / advise on the NOS setup in this mix.

i've never yet run split omni's...  only 10" or so;  but i figured from what i've read that 3' might be a good split.  what should i set the bassrolloff to?  as of now i have it on the second to highest setting... (i forget what really).

from what i understand (and i may be wrong) from what i've googled, NOS 90* is like the opposite of XY 90*.  instead of the caps making the 90* angle, the breach (back) end of the bodies creates the 90* angle... (caps pointed away from eachother).  is that right?

as i said before, i could just run the cards A-B or XY instead.

[Tim]

the best 4 mic mixes that I have heard involve the center cards or hypers run X/Y and then 3-4 foot spaced omni's..... running x/y gives you a nice stable center image and the omni's add to width and depth to the soundstage. I've never heard a nos/omni mix but I would be concerned about how that would image.

all imho of course and ymmv.... good luck!

[justink]

the best 4 mic mixes that I have heard involve the center cards or hypers run X/Y and then 3-4 foot spaced omni's..... running x/y gives you a nice stable center image and the omni's add to width and depth to the soundstage. I've never heard a nos/omni mix but I would be concerned about how that would image.

all imho of course and ymmv.... good luck!

i was sort of thinking the same thing...  i may to XY afterall.  should i rolloff the maximum amount on those omni's though?

-j

[justink]

the best 4 mic mixes that I have heard involve the center cards or hypers run X/Y and then 3-4 foot spaced omni's..... running x/y gives you a nice stable center image and the omni's add to width and depth to the soundstage. I've never heard a nos/omni mix but I would be concerned about how that would image.

all imho of course and ymmv.... good luck!

i was sort of thinking the same thing...  i may to XY afterall.  should i rolloff the maximum amount on those omni's though?

what about stand height?  i've got 17 feet to work with! 

-j

[Tim]

what are your rolloff options? whats your playback like? If I rolloff at all it's not much, but I like bass and have a system that can handle it

also it's been about 9 years since I saw DMB so I have no idea what their mix is like... better ask someone with more experience with that band, same thing for stand height.

do you know what kind of PA they run? If it's a line-array system then I wouldn't go too high... the mix will sound better closer to head height

[justink]

what are your rolloff options? whats your playback like? If I rolloff at all it's not much, but I like bass and have a system that can handle it

also it's been about 9 years since I saw DMB so I have no idea what their mix is like... better ask someone with more experience with that band, same thing for stand height.

do you know what kind of PA they run? If it's a line-array system then I wouldn't go too high... the mix will sound better closer to head height

hmmm what's line-array?

they're running the jbl's / meyer's from what i hear.  i think the meyer's are the GD's old system...  i may be wrong though.

[Tim]

At this point my recollection is a bit hazy as to the relationship between Meyer Sound and the GD... I believe Meyer  has some relationship with Don Pearson and Ultra Sound who designed the GD's system. I doubt DMB is using the same boxes as the GD, that would be an old PA!

A line-array is a type of PA system...

everything you ever wanted to know about line array PA systems...
http://www.meyersound.com/products/mseries/m3d/line_array_theory.htm

[dmonterisi]

do you know what kind of PA they run? If it's a line-array system then I wouldn't go too high... the mix will sound better closer to head height

and the screaming idiots will be much clearer at head height as well.

[Tim]

do you know what kind of PA they run? If it's a line-array system then I wouldn't go too high... the mix will sound better closer to head height

and the screaming idiots will be much clearer at head height as well.

good point

with omni's you may just want to jack that stand up...