Topic: spaced cards...

[Chanher]

When I first got into the business I used to run a-b cards about a foot apart because I didn't know any better.

They sounded good, but I remember the recordings almost always sounded better through headphones than monitors.

[flipp]

I once tried splitting a set of cards at a local theater. They were on the balcony rail split about 35'. Ran them in parallel which put them pointing directly at the flying stacks. Used a Nak MX100 and ran an omni as the center blend channel. Small portions of the tape were as good as any I've ever recorded. Unfortunately the promoter's wife and two sisters-in-law had the seats directly behind the omni and their chatter ruins the portions of the show when more than one of them were sitting there.

[Colin Liston]

I ran split 4023's for the Truckers once.  Split was about 24'.  The show is up at LMA

http://www.archive.org/details/dbt2005-03-02-dpa4023.flac16

[Brian Skalinder]

I ran split 4023's for the Truckers once.  Split was about 24'.  The show is up at LMA

http://www.archive.org/details/dbt2005-03-02-dpa4023.flac16

This show was recorded with 4022's, but they were split 24' and it sounds great, IMO.  I say go for it, Brad.

http://www.archive.org/details/dbt2005-03-02-dpa4023.flac16

Just wanted to point out this is a split card stack recording, not split cards from an ambient audience location:

mics split 24' and hung from each side of the balcony
aprroxiamately 4' from each stack all FOB

[Kyle]

I have done this. My experience is that it would be best to keep the split around two to four feet. I split cardiods a few times and to my ears, it sounded best with that spread. I ran a 30 foot split at Cal Expo for the Grateful Dead one time, because the SBD area effectively blocked the center position. So I ran one mic on one side of the borad and another on the other side of the board. 30 feet in that application was way too much. Let us know what you do decide on, and report back how you think it sounded.

Tried the same thing at Expo, but with shotguns.     Listenable, but very mono and a bit phasey (sp?). Tons of fun as always!

go for it!!

[BWolf]

Well, I didn't run space cards because people wouldn't give me clamp space.  It was like these guys missed the lesson about sharing in pre-school.  I got one person to allow me to clamp, but nobody else was going to let me.  Don't know why, but whatever.  I guess I'll try it sometime eventually....

[stirinthesauce]

Well, I didn't run space cards because people wouldn't give me clamp space.  It was like these guys missed the lesson about sharing in pre-school.  I got one person to allow me to clamp, but nobody else was going to let me.  Don't know why, but whatever.  I guess I'll try it sometime eventually....

Your kidding, right?  Denied clamp space for a single mic?   What was their reasoning or were they just complete asshats?

[Chuck]

Yeah, who would say ,"NO!" to one clamp?

[dhora]

A little late, but when I first started out 2 years ago, I was running cards AB at about 23".  Here's my personal favorite of my recordings with that setup. 

moe. Live at The Catalyst on 2005-04-14 (April 14, 2005)
Source: SP-CMC-2 (AT831) > SP-SPSB-1 (Roll Off at 107Hz) > JB3 (+5db Set 1|+4db Set 2)
Lineage: JB3 > USB > Cool Edit Pro 2.0 > CD Wave > FLAC frontend > flac16
Location: Stand ~9'High > 23" AB Stereo > Left of Board

The board was on the right side of a long narrow venue, so the mics were slightly right of center ~50' back.

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2005-04-14.at831.flac16

[Colin Liston]

I ran split 4023's for the Truckers once.  Split was about 24'.  The show is up at LMA

http://www.archive.org/details/dbt2005-03-02-dpa4023.flac16

This show was recorded with 4022's, but they were split 24' and it sounds great, IMO.  I say go for it, Brad.

http://www.archive.org/details/dbt2005-03-02-dpa4023.flac16

Just wanted to point out this is a split card stack recording, not split cards from an ambient audience location:

mics split 24' and hung from each side of the balcony
aprroxiamately 4' from each stack all FOB

Oops....sorry.   

[poorlyconditioned]

I've run split cards in a rather difficult room.
Two cards, pointing straight ahead, split 12', 10' back from the speakers, hanging 2' down from a 10' high ceiling.
The speakers point straight ahead (no vergence, so it is hard to find a single good spot for DIN/ORTF or whatever that is in the "image" of both speakers.).
I then mixed soundboard in with the two channels.

An elaborate setup, but the only way to get great sound in this room.

  Richard

[rowjimmy]

At a recent show that I attended, a fellow was there with his stealthy cards (not sure the brand but they were tiny) attached to a 3-4 foot horizontal boom and split at least two feet across that.

Then; "to avoid chatter," he said; he then proceeded to elevate the boom to approx. 10 - 12 feet. The room had a peaked ceiling of aluminum that was less than 20 but more than 15 feet high. I'm dying to know how his recording came out but I flailed and didn't get his info...