Topic: Mk4's with an NBox running open

[Brian Skalinder]

don't you still need to fine tune the angles a bit? do they stay perfectly in place in your bag?

If I'm reasonably careful, which I usually am, they stay in place.  Whether it would work for everyone probably depends on the bag setup.  And if I have to adjust angles, only takes about 3 seconds to fine-tune.

[terrapinj]

i guess if you tighten the SGC clips enough they wouldn't really move too much 

i still think Vark bar is the way to go

[jerryfreak]

if youre handy at all, its trivial to make a bar out of two $20 sg20 stand clamps, with a spacer made out of a 20mm rod between them. mine is the same spacing as ortf, with infinitely adjustable angles. add a shockmount, and youre set for just about any situation. I have run this configuration many many times FOB on a stand and its pretty unobtrusive

[towanda]

I'm pretty new to all this, and am in the same situation as the OP. The vark bar and SGCs sounds pretty good.
I don't really know what to make of the vark bar though: Why is there...something on one end but not the other and what is that "thing" exactly?



Also re:

Just measured mine:

3-3/4" tall (includes mount bar + vertical / tubular base for sliding into a shockmount)
5" long
13/16" deep

with 3/8" holes drilled (centered) at the 1/2", 1-1/4", 1-7/8", 2-1/2"*, 3-1/8", 3-3/4", and 4-1/2" marks on the long (5") dimension.

* center hole for the vertical support bar that drops into an A20/S shockmount.

So that would be, with regard to this pic, 5" top to bottom, 3" front to back and 13/16" from left to right?
*No wait, that can't be right, there's seven holes and seven measurements. So the maximum spacing you can get with one of these is 4" between clamps? That can't be right either, a little help?

[towanda]

OK, i just found another post saying that there is not enough spacing for running NOS. So i assume you can run ORTF or DIN though, right? And the SGC will allow you to adjust the angle to run say ORTF or DINA?

[jerryfreak]

so your mic bodies dont hit each other when running wide-angled patterns, or to do x-y, i beleive

I'm pretty new to all this, and am in the same situation as the OP. The vark bar and SGCs sounds pretty good.
I don't really know what to make of the vark bar though: Why is there...something on one end but not the other and what is that "thing" exactly?



Also re:

Just measured mine:

3-3/4" tall (includes mount bar + vertical / tubular base for sliding into a shockmount)
5" long
13/16" deep

with 3/8" holes drilled (centered) at the 1/2", 1-1/4", 1-7/8", 2-1/2"*, 3-1/8", 3-3/4", and 4-1/2" marks on the long (5") dimension.

* center hole for the vertical support bar that drops into an A20/S shockmount.

So that would be, with regard to this pic, 5" top to bottom, 3" front to back and 13/16" from left to right?
*No wait, that can't be right, there's seven holes and seven measurements. So the maximum spacing you can get with one of these is 4" between clamps? That can't be right either, a little help?

[towanda]

so your mic bodies dont hit each other when running wide-angled patterns, or to do x-y, i beleive

Ah, of course. It's a riser. Thanks

[Brian Skalinder]

See attached pic for measurement help.  To adjust the angle, one loosens the bolthead on the bottom, the top screw-end of which screws into the SGC clips.  Align to the desired angle, and tighten again.

I vaguely recall the Vark + SGC clips + MKx caps with active cables doesn't provide precisely ORTF/DIN/DINA, but it's mighty close.  Alright, so I decided to measure.  Vark + SGC + MK5 caps with actives does:  DINA, ORTF (within a few millimeters), XY (within a couple millimeters depending on the angle one uses), Mid-Side (within a couple millimeters), and Blumlein, all with flexibility in the included angle between mics.  Of course, modifying the included angle, and using different length MK caps will impact the spacing distance slightly.  At any rate, for me, lack of DIN and spacing off by a few millimeters in a couple cases is worth it for the light weight, small footprint, and flexibility/capability of setting the included angle.

To learn more about the impact of spacing and included angle (and why ability to change the included angle is so useful), check out Michael Williams' "The Stereophonic Zoom" (hosted on the Rycote site).

[towanda]

Thanks for doing that Brian, very informative. For some reason i wasn't reading 13/16" as thirteen sixteenths, d'oh. Now it all makes sense. That pdf looks like an interesting read too, cheers.