Topic: Edirol 09-hr help.switches in back.

[wppcproductions]

Hi Guys.Last night {sunday the 27 of march.}I did a show with my 09-hr.with stock setup..It came out to bassy and and the levels were not hot.set  around 45. not destorted also ckicking in the sound with the rythm of the music.mic gain was on low.limiter was on. low cut.at this point what should be the setting of the switches in the back for live recording.also a average audio level adjustment.in the stealth mode i'm limited to glance at the 09-hr as we know.I can sweetin the bass out with an editing software like Cooledit pro.but I'm wonder what cause the clicking in the recording.I would like to figure this and  get the bugs out before May when I'll be taping the next show in Atlantic City.
thanks an advance.


P.S I had my my ole reliable MD rig for a backup last night and the show came out great.

[acidjack]

If you were using the R-09's internal mics, they were probably overloading.  I'm guessing that maybe you were recording rock music or something similarly loud - those mics are really not designed to handle those sound pressure levels.

For recording music, you need to keep all of those limiters, low-cut filters, etc. OFF.  But even if you do, you cannot stop those internal mics from overloading, because they literally do not have the sensitivity to handle that level of volume.  Turning on a bass rolloff will not help, either.

I would recommend an inexpensive pair of external mics and a "battery box" or small preamp, and run that LINE-IN to the R-09HR with all of the switches off (except HOLD).   That will virtually never distort.  There are some Church Audio CA-1 mics in the Yard Sale that would fit the bill at $65.  Those plus a battery box from Church or Sound Professionals (Sound Professionals is in NJ and, if you're taping in AC, probably close to you) and you will have a very nice sounding rig for less than an additional $140.  Considering that your recorder costs about twice that, that's not much to invest in the hobby, and it will deliver considerably better results.

[wppcproductions]

Thanks.Thats what I figured.I've  notice my Sony ECM MS907 mic handles great in loud shows even first row seats.last summer I had the same issue with the 09hr hahaha that show was worse with major clipping and destorted.The sony rig's come out great.Now I start looking for a new mic before May.I have notice Sony still sell this mic today considering I bought the mic 10 years ago with my MD recorder.It must be a best seller.Would the Sony mic  work  good with the Edirol  without any mismatch of impedances.Now the Church mic and Sound Professionals mics have better specs then this ECM MS907 beside good stereo seperation then the single point mic. .I just pulled up the specs on the ECM MS907 from my service manual and the freq response is 100hz  to 15.000kz according to Sony.

[F.O.Bean]

I would invert in those cardioid Church mics, w/ a small battery box OR Church Audio 9100/9200 preamps. Run those Church mics>Church 9100/9200>LINE-IN to the R09HR You will DEF be pleased w those results

[69mako]

I would invert in those cardioid Church mics, w/ a small battery box OR Church Audio 9100/9200 preamps. Run those Church mics>Church 9100/9200>LINE-IN to the R09HR You will DEF be pleased w those results

I run the exact rig Bean talks about and couldn't be happier with the results.  CA-14 > 9100 > R09HR.  It competes with my open rig at a fraction of the cost.

Mako

[F.O.Bean]

I would invert in those cardioid Church mics, w/ a small battery box OR Church Audio 9100/9200 preamps. Run those Church mics>Church 9100/9200>LINE-IN to the R09HR You will DEF be pleased w those results

I run the exact rig Bean talks about and couldn't be happier with the results.  CA-14 > 9100 > R09HR.  It competes with my open rig at a fraction of the cost.

Mako

I was amazed at how great the CA Mics>CA Preamp sounded when I 1st heard them together

[wppcproductions]

Thanks  guys for the advice ,Whats the price of this Church  setup.anyway. Today  I just found out I'll be going to a  rock show in the begining of  next week .I have no time to get a new mic for the Edirol in time.I will take a chance with the ECM MS907 mic  to see what happens. That leaves the MD mic-less for that night. which I could deal with it.ok  does the back switches remain the same or they have to be switched.Ok as I was in the first row last year a  rock show with the Sony  MD with  the ECM MS907 mic  and handled the loud sound great as the boomer speakers were inches away .The Edirol recording was trashed as you guys explaned earlier to me about  the overloading.

[acidjack]

If you are in NJ, you could also buy mics from Sound Professionals.  They deliver very quickly (Chris' gear will take about a month or more to receive).

Also, be sure any mics you buy from them include the "Low Sensitivity" mod, and buy a battery box.
 
Examples:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-2 (a buddy of mine uses/likes these. Compares to CA-11)

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-22 (I have never heard these mics)

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-4U (Larger in size/higher in price but very high quality; compare to CA-14. Switchable capsules also so you can get omni and hyper caps as well down the road)

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-8 (yet higher in price, very nice detail, switchable capsules, not as much bass response as CMC-4U)

[wppcproductions]

Thanks for all the input your are a great help.I'm in a budget like all of us these days.I can't afford the big stuff as of now .but I want to upgrade . I'm in Connecticut.I will  look into this this weekend  and I will play around monday with the setup as I said earlier.the show that  I'll be taping is not critical and important,It would be a great for playing with the controls and the mic's because it a open taping.