Topic: Oktava mk012 (again)

[tchoub]

Hi,
I'm going to make a recording of an instrumental rock band called "Explosions in the sky" in a few days. The show will take place on a small barge (approximatively 200 persons max.).

From what I have been told, the band I am going to record plays "loud".

My current setup is : Oktava mk012 (card) > Denecke ps2 > MD or D8.
(the mics will be used without the -10dB pads)

I was quite convinced that the recording would be working quite well until I read this post :
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/Forum/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=100&topic_id=108&mesg_id=108&listing_type=search
 
I'm totally confused about this situation...

Furthermore, I have a recording made with this setup :
Oktava MC 012 (hyper-cardioid) > Denecke PS-2 > Marantz PMD670 that sounds really really good...
so, I do not know what to think and I need your help !

If anyone of you has already used a similar setup as mine without line transformers or a preamp, could you please let me know what were your recordings like ?

Thanks !

[jpschust]

whoah- i didnt know anyone else liked explosions in the sky :-)

[tchoub]

Anyone ?

[Ed.]

EITS = great band, my friends were supposed to open for them when they came to michigan, but shit happened and they were unable to.

does the ps-2 supply phantom power?  that person said they went mic-in.  which might have caused problems if the mic in was also supplying plug in power.  I dunno, thats my guess, but i didn't read everything all the way on the oade site.  If i were you, i'd just crank your house speakers and do some testing in your living room.

ed

[hhf32]

I just recently ran a similar setup.
 MC012's>ps-2>hosa line transformers>MD. I would recommend the line transformers as a cheap way to boost your levels and go line in instead of mic in.

[tchoub]

yes the ps2 supplies 48V phantom power.
In my opinion, running the mics "mic in" with the ps2 is not really good...

I was thinking going "line in" but I'm not sure if it will work properly...

I think that I will just test and see what happens.
I will let you know ...
thanks for your answers !

[bush]

yes the ps2 supplies 48V phantom power.
In my opinion, running the mics "mic in" with the ps2 is not really good...

I was thinking going "line in" but I'm not sure if it will work properly...

I think that I will just test and see what happens.
I will let you know ...
thanks for your answers !

 i dont think you're gonna get levels going line in without the transformers or a pre amp

[super-phat-al]

id like to hear the tape.  Explosions is pretty cool

[tchoub]

yes the ps2 supplies 48V phantom power.
In my opinion, running the mics "mic in" with the ps2 is not really good...

I was thinking going "line in" but I'm not sure if it will work properly...

I think that I will just test and see what happens.
I will let you know ...
thanks for your answers !

 i dont think you're gonna get levels going line in without the transformers or a pre amp

but isn't going "mic in", when you have your mics powered by an external source, a problem ?
 

[bush]

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but isn't going "mic in", when you have your mics powered by an external source, a problem ?
 

I dont think so...you have to apply gain to your signal coming from the mics, and the ps2 does ot apply gain, it just powers the mics.

[hhf32]

The only problem would be if you can't get the levels you need, then you'd need the transformers or preamp.

[Ed.]

yeah, i'd like to hear the tape too, eits on a barge sounds like one hell of a cool show.

[tchoub]

ok so I'm back from the Explosions in the sky show.
They were really amazing !

About the recording:
I'm now sure that a preamp or line transformers are needed with those Oktavas !

Run a pseudo ortf (110°,19cms) with one mic pointing to the left stack and the other one to the stage. The mics were 2 meters high and placed 1 meter from the stage and the stack. The band played "loud".
I was getting low levels despite the position of the mics and the fact that I used the mic in of my MD (recording at 27 out of 30).
A strong background noise is all over the recording...

Anyway, this was my very first open recording using a mic stand and my oktavas. I now have a Zefiro Inbox.
I'm just really excited about making another recording next week !

Thanks to all for your help.  

[Cooker]

yes a preamp or LTs are needed with the oktavas - i tried to run
MK012 > PS-2 > M1 and the levels were far to low.

You could get line transformers for it or you can get a preamp - i liked the sound of the mv-100 better than ps-2 > Line Transformers so that's what i got. they can be had for aroud $200 - and when you factor in $50 for LTs plus the $100-$120 you can get for the PS-2, it's really not that big a jump in price.

[tchoub]

yes a preamp or LTs are needed with the oktavas - i tried to run
MK012 > PS-2 > M1 and the levels were far to low.

You could get line transformers for it or you can get a preamp - i liked the sound of the mv-100 better than ps-2 > Line Transformers so that's what i got. they can be had for aroud $200 - and when you factor in $50 for LTs plus the $100-$120 you can get for the PS-2, it's really not that big a jump in price.

I now have a Zefiro Inbox... I hope this will solve my problem !