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Seeking info on getting started...
« on: February 21, 2004, 07:30:44 PM »
Greetings!

I want to do a little research to tell me just how much cash I am gonna need to invest to get a good set up, but keep in mind this is for a newbie taper.

Getting a little older now, and would rather concentrate on the show than all my other shenanigans!

Any info would be great!

What would I need to start?  Should I start by "patching in"?  What exactly does "patching in" require?

Thanks in Advance!
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Re:Seeking info on getting started...
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2004, 01:07:21 PM »
Nice!  That helped a ton!

I have read the link above and have started to do a little research.  I understand what I need, but am having trouble finding equipment online.  I want to build a rig that will last awhile and support my habit, but I can't afford to spend 1000s of dollars right now.  I simply don't know exactly what to search for?

Can someone direct me a few different ways?:

Which piece should I buy first, and which is the most important?
(what should I spend the most money on)

Whats the difference between MD and DAT recording?
 - I am assuming it is that MD records to disc, and DAT to some sort of interal drive?  Is that right?

Most rigs I have seen online or at shows consist of two mics.  I am guessing this is to capture stereo sound as opposed to mono?

I searched the site here for awhile, and couldn't find any links to the above ??'s.  Please direct me to anything that might be helpful!!

Thanks a ton, and the site is GREAT!

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Re:Seeking info on getting started...
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2004, 02:19:07 PM »
Hey, first off, welcome to ts.com! I would definitely put the most money that you can towards mics, some options that I like in the few hundered dollar range:

AKG C1000- kind of a newbie standard, can be had for about 200 bucks for a pair

Superlux SMK-H8K- I started w/ these mics and I really like them over the C1000s, come with a bunch of accessorys, pair $130ish if I remember correctly

Octava MC012A- becoming popular for taping, 200 for a pair
 
You will need pantom power to power thoes:
Art Phantom III is a cheap phantom source for 50 bucks
Samson mixpad 4- this would be a little more versitile because it is also a pre, so you can adjust gain ect.. under 100 used is common

MD is a lossy format, in that it compresses the music, while dat does not. Dat records to a digital tape, not to an internal harddrive. Another advantage to dat is that you can run 1 tape up to 3 hours, while 1 md is only 80 minutes long. I would say go with dat if you can.

Yes we run 2 mics to get a stereo sound, see: http://www.dpamicrophones.com/eng_pub/ go to the "Microphone University" and click on stereo configurations. DIN, NOS, ORTF, XY are all commonly run in the field.

If you need any more help let me know, I gave you some low cost options because I dont know how much your looking to spend, if you have more money to spend, let me know and I can give you some better gear suggestions. have fun, +T!!!
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Re:Seeking info on getting started...
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2004, 02:36:59 PM »
what/who do you plan to tape and how much can you spend?
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Re:Seeking info on getting started...
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2004, 02:54:12 PM »
Alex - Thanks so much for that info!  That helps a ton.  I am gonna try to build a "imaginary" rig and get some feedback on it.  Look for more posts soon, and I appreciate your help!


Chris - well... my main focus on taping would be WSP, but I wanted to use this year to really learn the aspects of the whole Hobby.  Probably by that time, I don't know how much traveling I will be able to do, so I will most likely be taping whatever comes through.

I live in CO now, so its a great place to learn (with all the music) but by the time panic really gets kickin' again, I might be back east in SC.

I would like a versatile setup so I could tape different bands.  However, most of those bands would be from the same Genre.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2004, 03:00:03 PM »
Very cool. I hope it helps, I have some Superlux > Mixpad tapes I can send you if youd like...

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2004, 03:15:12 PM »
NICE!  That would be great!

So... where do I go from here?  I have looked into the mics you suggested, and they seem like they are in my range.  They have a deal for the pair with all kinds of extras.  

http://www.superlux.us/smalldiaphragm.html

(down near the bottom, seems like a great deal!)

Now, I looked into the Samson mixpad 4 and found it here for $169.95.
Does that sound about right?

http://www.realmusicalinstruments.com/Samson/Stereo-Mixers/Samson-Mixpad-4.asp

So, I have mics and the mixer.  (I might switch these up with more research, but I am just trying to build a "guide")

From the mixer I go into the DAT, right?  Any suggestions on those?  
(Sorry for all the questions, just want to have a good model to go by!)

... and after that I would just need a stand, and cables?
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Re:Seeking info on getting started...
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2004, 03:31:24 PM »
 Hey, there is a mixpad on ebay for 60 bucks! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3705389691&category=23785

Some common dats used in the field that can be had for pretty cheap are the sony d7 and d8.. there are probably some dats in the yardsale section...

This is the stand I have, pretty nice price too http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=253067&is=REG
You'll need a 1/4-20 to 5/8 Adapter that can be found here:
http://www.micsupply.com/standaccessories.htm

If you can solder, Id definitely recomend you make your own cables. There is info in the cable section on how to do it... I made mine with canari starquad cable and neuitik (sp?) gold connectors, 15 feet each... Then you'll need a 1/4in (2 mono) > stereo 1/8 cable to run from the mixpad to the dat.

Shoot me a pm with your address, and I get you a show or 2.

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Re:Seeking info on getting started...
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2004, 03:41:26 PM »
I sent you a pm... I appreciate the show offer, but I should be sending you shows for your help!!

I am gonna check out those sony dats right now.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2004, 03:47:20 PM »
I can't find any info on that sony d7 online?
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2004, 03:57:40 PM »
d7 isnt made anymore, heres a page about D 7&8s http://www.rockpark.com/d7/

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2004, 04:10:51 PM »
That site is great!  That pretty much sums all specifications about this piece.  I have always been partial to Sony equip. so this might be for me.

I can't seem to find a link on there to purchase one?  Do I need to search other sites for possible sales?

ebay?
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Re:Seeking info on getting started...
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2004, 04:16:56 PM »
where are you at in Colorado? There are tons of us tapers out here... I'd be happy to walk you through some things at a show sometime.
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