Topic: Let's talk medium/high end stealth cardioid mics...

[pfife]

AD-20, but you need a phantom supply too.  PS-2 or something...

[Humbug]

+T for your suggestions, but (one of) my priorities is keeping it really small. SPCMC4>SP battery box would be ideal, but I've read on this board this can overload in loud bassy rock shows, not sure if this is 100% accurate...

[pfife]

Yeah, I hear that... the AD-20 is actually a bit larger than I was expecting, but its still stealthable.  I've never seen a PS-2 in person, do I don't know how much that would add.

I thought I just saw an MP-2 in the yard sale recently....

[Brian Skalinder]

The MP2 is discontinued, but looks a little large for stealthing. Is this the smallest option for a preamp?

It's definitely stealthable, no sweat whatsoever.  If you can't stealth the MP2, you're doing something wrong! 

And if you can't find one, consider the SD MixPre or identical Shure FP-24.  Very similar to the MP2 and both manufacturered by SD.

[Humbug]

Cool, will check out these two options a little later on..supposed to be working here

[pfife]

Cool, will check out these two options a little later on..supposed to be working here

aren't we all... 

[Rick]

However, the upgrade bug is biting. I've read through this thread with interest, and have some questions:

Of the following:

Shoeps CCM (clips available??)

Forget budget right now - which would be best for me? I want a three box solution:

Mics > battery box or preamp > Nomad JB3

The CCMs also look a little large for a non-hat application.

Are you talking about the Schoeps CCMs ? If so the price difference of those mics compared to the others is huge! Plus you would need a pre-amp. and you could not clip those on your collar.

Also I don't think you would want to clip cards on your collar, unless you can point them forward.

[Rick]

schoeps ccm's don't have the extra body to worry about like the mk4s,

Not necessarily. The MK4s can be run without the bodies. I know of two ways in fact that are not hard to find.  Both of which are cheaper then a pair of CCM4, infact much cheaper...

[Humbug]

I do run cards on my shirt collar already, and it doesnt spoil my enjoyment of thr gig...!

Hmm...looking at the Sound Professionals site:

SPCMC4s $189
Phantom power adaptor kit (allows both phantom and battery box): $100
Denecke PS2 phantom power with mini-plug output: $239

Would this:
 
a) work (all the above would plug into a JB3)?
b) be a good idea, or should I go elsewhere?

[pfife]

Sorry I can't answer the question at hand, but I can tell you that I have seen numerous ps-2's used for anywhere from $75 - $100.

[Ed.]

schoeps ccm's don't have the extra body to worry about like the mk4s,

Not necessarily. The MK4s can be run without the bodies. I know of two ways in fact that are not hard to find.  Both of which are cheaper then a pair of CCM4, infact much cheaper...

sonosax and/or the nxbox.  am i right?  sorry, i wasn't thinking.

[jk labs]

I do run cards on my shirt collar already, and it doesnt spoil my enjoyment of thr gig...!

Hmm...looking at the Sound Professionals site:

SPCMC4s $189
Phantom power adaptor kit (allows both phantom and battery box): $100
Denecke PS2 phantom power with mini-plug output: $239

Would this:
 
a) work (all the above would plug into a JB3)?
b) be a good idea, or should I go elsewhere?

Define the word "work" 

Two things to bear in mind.

The AT mics with the SP batterybox runs out of steam at some 122 dB SPL (the capsule gives up). I am not sure at what SPL the sound become objectionable.
The levels are healthy: Sensitivity is -21 dB re 1V/1Pa (94 dB SPL). 

When you connect the mic in the "phantom mode" the level drops 20 dB (19 to be exact to -40 dB
 re 1V /Pa). But now the mics stay linear up to 135 dB SPL or so. But in this mode the powering
scheme necessary becomes a little involved and rather bulky.

Just someting to keep in mind when searching for that optimum solution ..

[Rick]

schoeps ccm's don't have the extra body to worry about like the mk4s,

Not necessarily. The MK4s can be run without the bodies. I know of two ways in fact that are not hard to find.  Both of which are cheaper then a pair of CCM4, infact much cheaper...

sonosax and/or the nxbox.  am i right?  sorry, i wasn't thinking.

Those were the two I was thinking about. I bet you could get a JK labs box too... Not mention the Schoeps VMS 5U. So there's at least 4 ways to do it.

[Cooker]

conspicuously absent from this discussion is, IMO, the best mid-range stealth option available, the MBHO 603A's.
considerably less money ($1K new) than the schoeps or dpas, same stealth footprint.

[PG]

conspicuously absent from this discussion is, IMO, the best mid-range stealth option available, the MBHO 603A's.
considerably less money ($1K new) than the schoeps or dpas, same stealth footprint.

I've heard some great MBHO 603a tapes but people don't seem to talk about these mics too much.