Topic: Stealthing very loud metal shows...extended from Team EVIL

[KingReptile]

My friend and I taped Satriani and Deep Purple this past summer.I would say the Dpa 4061"s were better a bit more detailed mainly the cymbals come in better..With the 853s if you dont run phantom power they dont stand a chance of even comparing to the the 4061's..Hopefully we will both share are shows soon on Easytree so you guys can compare the differences..I used to run Core Sound Binarauls and have to say the one great thing about the Dpas is that even at a distance you will get real good results ..I have posted numerous shows that I taped with the 4061's .Heres my list if anybody wants to hear what they sound like mostly interetested in Dat Clones at the Moment but will torrent most of my shows...http://www.angelfire.com/music5/d8maniac/kingreptiles_masters.htm

[kfrinkle]

what about the 4061's?  will they work fine with just bat box power?  I am thinking more along the lines of anyhting that i could use for upcoming tool tour...  has to be small, and bringing smoe honky ass metal thing to power mics just aint gonna cut it...  im too freaking nervous in the first place...

My friend and I taped Satriani and Deep Purple this past summer.I would say the Dpa 4061"s were better a bit more detailed mainly the cymbals come in better..With the 853s if you dont run phantom power they dont stand a chance of even comparing to the the 4061's..Hopefully we will both share are shows soon on Easytree so you guys can compare the differences..I used to run Core Sound Binarauls and have to say the one great thing about the Dpas is that even at a distance you will get real good results ..I have posted numerous shows that I taped with the 4061's .Heres my list if anybody wants to hear what they sound like mostly interetested in Dat Clones at the Moment but will torrent most of my shows...http://www.angelfire.com/music5/d8maniac/kingreptiles_masters.htm

[Ed.]

there were some 4061's on the live rh board i'm on going for $600 that came with a battery box that was made from an old cell phone casing.  the bat box looked exactly like a cell phone, i dunno if they're still available.  but it could be an idea if you wanted to make your own.  seems easy enuf.

[KingReptile]

If ya go with the DPA battery box there small and plastic ..Roughly as big as a pac of cigs.They dont have rolloff i used them  line in before i had mine modded and had great results..Sometime after the first of the year i can maybe loan ya  a set that I have with a coresound heb  bat box ..If you bought the dpas from Oade with bb your looking at $850..

[Evil Taper]

Doesn't a plastic bat box run the risk of interferance from the stage electronics?  I read something about the lead casing of most batt boxes act as a shield against such things.

[kfrinkle]

ouch, somethin tells me its gonna be awhile before i get those...  my cards terminate in a 1/8" stereo mini-plug.  are there phantom power sources out that that accept such plugs (instead of XLR)...


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If ya go with the DPA battery box there small and plastic ..Roughly as big as a pac of cigs.They dont have rolloff i used them  line in before i had mine modded and had great results..Sometime after the first of the year i can maybe loan ya  a set that I have with a coresound heb  bat box ..If you bought the dpas from Oade with bb your looking at $850..

[Evil Taper]

When using the 4061 do you really need and A/D or can you just power them with a standard batt box?

[pfife]

When using the 4061 do you really need and A/D or can you just power them with a standard batt box?

You can use a standard battery box. 

[Brian Skalinder]

When using the 4061 do you really need and A/D or can you just power them with a standard batt box?

FWIW, an A/D (aka ADC) doesn't have anything to do with powering the mics.  I think you're asking if the 4061s require phantom power or not.  And PFife already answered that one:  phantom power not required, battery box power okay.

[pfife]

actually, I've read from people here that true phantom power will fry 'em.    gotta get the DAD6001's and filter the +48 down in order to use them.  So actually, I think its better to say that you really should use a bb.

That's what I think is advantageous about these mics- they are really running at peak performance w/ a battery box, thus phatom power is really overkill, and not needed.

someone please correct me if I am giving bad info here.

[kfrinkle]

yeah, i am getting really confused on all this.  what about a denecke ad-20?  i know it is still only 9v, but will that clean things up? i can even get a 2 xlr to mini plug adapter for that if i have to.  that was the one great thing about my CSBs, they never had this sort of problem...  thinking about using those for the uber loud shows...

actually, I've read from people here that true phantom power will fry 'em.    gotta get the DAD6001's and filter the +48 down in order to use them.  So actually, I think its better to say that you really should use a bb.

That's what I think is advantageous about these mics- they are really running at peak performance w/ a battery box, thus phatom power is really overkill, and not needed.

someone please correct me if I am giving bad info here.

[pfife]

AD-20 doesn't do any powering either.  My sig has what you can do- My experience (but others differ)  is that you'll need attenuator(s) between the bb and ad-20, as the ad-20 gives +17db of gain even when the gain nobs are turned all the way down.

AS far as quality, I'm working on the assumption that the a/ds and pre are better than those that are stock in the NJB3.

[kfrinkle]

what about either of these two beasties?

http://www.micsupply.com/phantompower.htm

i could get the correct adapters to go from xlr to 1/8" male and vice versa to go to jukebox....  althoug i am confused on the 9v versus 48v, being unable to figure out any sort of engineering concepts due to the fact that I am a math nerd.

[pfife]

Overkill if you are planning to go with the 4061's.  You can just solder them both to a stereo 1/8" plug, and plug that into a standard battery box (like either one in your signature) and then:

1/8" to (2)XLRM splitter -> Shure Attenuators -> AD-20

or

attenuator (theres one on mic supply) -> 1/8" to (2)XLRM splitter -> AD-20.

I can post a pic of the first option if you'd like- it'll be a couple hours or so- gotta get home from work first...

[kfrinkle]

well to be honest, i wont be upgrading my rig until i get hired somewhere, and that wont start until august.  but for 150 bucks or so, that aint a bad way to go.  and to be honest, i was thinking about that ad-20 for my csbs.  the signal is soooo low on them that at isis i had to boost the wav form by 20db after i dumped it off the jukebox, whereas the CMC-8s got a tad bit of that fuzziness i encoutnered at manson earlier this week.