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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #75 on: October 13, 2005, 01:26:13 PM »
I am trying to get some clarifications from Sonosax about the SX-M2/LS.

I've dropped a direct line to Sonosax regarding the factory mod in question, the /LS2 (not the straight /LS mod).  Haven't heard back yet.

If you just buy KC cables and change the plug it would not have best possible specifications. The KC works with 6.2 volts and the FET's Q-point is adjusted to that voltage. With 10V the FET needs to be adjusted otherwise. ALSO, you need to know that a polarization voltage of only 48V instead of our standard 60V leads to a slightly reduced microphone sensitivity.

You would not use a stock KC cable and swap the connector.  Schoeps makes the KCY cable specifically for use with the VMS preamp, which also replaces the CMC6 mic bodies a la the /LS2.

You need to contact Sonosax to confirm the
(1) There is a 5-pin Binder on the LS2 and
(2) the leads correspond to Schoeps cable wiring of a a 5-pin Binder with a Schoeps KCY-- cable and

Confirmed.  I've used this gear myself plenty of times.

(3) the voltage specs on each pin.

This is the confirmation I'm waiting on from Sonosax directly.  I just spoke with Jerry Bruck at Posthorn and while he didn't have specs about whether or not the /LS2 5-pin binder connection provides 60v to the caps, he indicated that the /LS2 mod was "approved" by Schoeps.  That leads me to believe that it delivers 60v, else Schoeps wouldn't have approved it.  Given that Jerry's the only one I've ever spoken with who seems to know anything about the /LS2 mod - and is also a long-time Schoeps dealer and knows their product line intimately - I'm inclined to believe him.

The Schoeps cables are also available in custom lengths.

Bah, it's a breeze - even for a non-diehard stealther like me who hasn't perfected stealthing like the diehard old-timers.  Beats having 2 cables to flop around.  :P
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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #76 on: October 13, 2005, 01:27:55 PM »
whats ks?

and wouldn't you have about 3m of kcy + 3' of ks...which to me seems a lot more than just 3m of cable on the ccm4?

Stock Schoeps KCY 250/01 is 25 cm + 10 cm. That's about a foot. KS is the  Schoeps extension cable - Noam

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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #77 on: October 13, 2005, 01:29:25 PM »
Stock Schoeps KCY 250/01 is 25 cm + 10 cm. That's about a foot. KS is the  Schoeps extension cable - Noam

It'll be cheaper to buy a custom-length KCY cable, rather than the KCY + KS extension.
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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #78 on: October 13, 2005, 01:34:08 PM »
Stock Schoeps KCY 250/01 is 25 cm + 10 cm. That's about a foot. KS is the  Schoeps extension cable - Noam

It'll be cheaper to buy a custom-length KCY cable, rather than the KCY + KS extension.

That was my original plan. However, there is no difference in price, OR, the 3 feet KS is cheaper (Schoeps weren't sure.) I prefer to have the expensive KCY as a stock item and the cheap KS as a special order - Noam

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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #79 on: October 13, 2005, 01:35:36 PM »
That was my original plan. However, there is no difference in price, OR, the 3 feet KS is cheaper (Schoeps weren't sure.) I prefer to have the expensive KCY as a stock item and the cheap KS as a special order - Noam

Well, looks like both will work, so whichever you prefer - go for it.  :)
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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #80 on: October 13, 2005, 05:16:23 PM »
A little late to the thread… but here's my two cents…

I've owned both the Nbox and SX-M2/LS2 and I must say I like the SX-M2/LS2 better. In fact I shouldn't have sold it :P. Anyways, I think the SX-M2/LS2 is more flexible with the variable gain, different outputs, lighter and I liked that fact there was a real company behind the unit. I thought it sounded a little better too. That being said, the Nbox is great! Especially, if you want to get on the Schoeps Team for less then $2000 (if everything is bought used). I mean Schoeps Mics and Pre-Amp for $2000! The MK4 with bodies almost cost that much alone and no pre-amp! And the Nbox sounds pretty darn good too

Here's what I've done with the Nbox straight into a D100… It sounds sweet!
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=11139
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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #81 on: October 13, 2005, 11:04:23 PM »
nbox all the way.  best stealthing setup there is.

Lemosax all the way.  Best stealthing setup there is.  :P
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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #82 on: October 13, 2005, 11:07:48 PM »
nbox all the way.  best stealthing setup there is.

Lemosax all the way.  Best stealthing setup there is.  :P

nbox . . . . ;)
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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #83 on: October 13, 2005, 11:10:07 PM »
nbox all the way.  best stealthing setup there is.

Lemosax all the way.  Best stealthing setup there is.  :P

nbox . . . . ;)

lol  I have a feeling I'm gonna get outnumbered on this one...   :-X
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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #84 on: October 13, 2005, 11:11:10 PM »
 :-*
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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #85 on: October 13, 2005, 11:13:53 PM »
lol  I have a feeling I'm gonna get outnumbered on this one...   :-X

But just b/c I'm outnumbered, doesn't mean I'm not right!   ;)
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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #86 on: October 13, 2005, 11:43:41 PM »
lol  I have a feeling I'm gonna get outnumbered on this one...   :-X

But just b/c I'm outnumbered, doesn't mean I'm not right!   ;)


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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #87 on: October 14, 2005, 01:14:09 AM »
lol  I have a feeling I'm gonna get outnumbered on this one...   :-X

But just b/c I'm outnumbered, doesn't mean I'm not right!   ;)

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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #88 on: October 14, 2005, 01:15:23 AM »
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Re: Schoeps beginner?
« Reply #89 on: October 14, 2005, 03:05:26 AM »
the much touted "comparison" mentioned on this thread of the nbox vs. lemosax is a "skewed" comparison for a couple reasons
-it used the mk41 caps which are too bright for the nbox (its designed for the darker MK4 cap...the MK41)
-the relatively muddy sonosax NEEDS a brighter cap like the MK41 to make it sound decent
-brian cant honestly state with certainty which source is which anyway ;)

Didn't know the NBox was designed for the MK4 - interesting info.  FWIW, I *do* know which is which - the two sources are very easy to distinguish.  I just temporarily misplaced the "key" at one point and Boogie's needling me for it (as he should!).

IMO, most people would have exactly the OPPOSITE opinion if that compare used the more common MK4 caps instead of the MK41...either way the rmod beats them both with any cap

Anyone willing and able to produce an MK4 > Lemosax/NBox comparison?  I'd love to hear it.  Perhaps it'll change my opinion on the NBox.

At any rate, a great wrap-up, and he makes perhaps the most important point in the thread:

you can make sick tapes with any of these setups
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