Author Topic: NBox or Bill box Schematics? (Read 11320 times)

Swanny · « **on:** January 14, 2004, 08:45:22 PM »

Has anyone tracked the schematics down for either of these boxes? please send me a copy or post here

Tim · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2004, 10:00:29 PM »

Quote from: Moke on January 14, 2004, 09:49:12 PM

Anyone mind giving the old man the fyi on this gear?

the billbox? it's just another name for the Reuthelhuber Box... should be right up your alley old man. The N-Box is basically an updated version.

I let the kings of stealth give the specifics as I've only seen each once or twice and never run one.

Swanny · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2004, 11:39:25 AM »

Thanks Nick I may have to do that. I know the schematics are impossible to find, but worth a shot.

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2004, 11:50:22 AM »

There are a couple shows up on archive.org - I'd recommend giving 'em a listen.

marc0789 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2004, 12:00:08 PM »

Is Swanny moving over to the dark side? Tired of running in back? Sick of Chinese jokes? Afraid your mics will break your stand?

Tim · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2004, 12:01:42 PM »

marc0789 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2004, 12:14:35 PM »

Quote from: Tim on January 15, 2004, 12:01:42 PM

SARS

Swanny · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2004, 03:36:08 PM »

It would be nice to go small... I get sick of hauling all that shit, just to battle at the section. Are we running on stage tonight marc?

marc0789 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2004, 03:39:56 PM »

definitely, see ya at 8:30 or so. do you have xlr splitters, by any chance?

zhianosatch · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2004, 05:50:30 PM »

Don't look too hard! Talk to your fellow global ~~god~~ mod!

geoff piper · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2004, 03:03:47 PM »

can someone tell me what a nbox is?

nickgregory · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2004, 03:08:26 PM »

it is a power supply for schoeps caps that will feed a dat or A/D a line level signal...thereby taking the bodies out of the equation and phantom power out of the equation

geoff piper · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2004, 03:09:43 PM »

aight thanks

save · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2004, 11:04:37 PM »

definitely give alex a email if you are interested, he'll hook you up!

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2004, 11:15:41 PM »

FWIW, since these stealth setups are discussed fairly infrequently and info is often hard to come by, here's some basic info on another alternative, the Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 (Lemosax).

save · « **Reply #15 on:** January 20, 2004, 11:19:00 PM »

that's a good alternative to the nbox. good thing about the nbox is u get cables & nbox for about what you'd pay for the lemosax. just some food for thought

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #16 on:** January 20, 2004, 11:21:34 PM »

Quote from: stoopidstp on January 20, 2004, 11:19:00 PM

that's a good alternative to the nbox. good thing about the nbox is u get cables & nbox for about what you'd pay for the lemosax. just some food for thought

This is true! The N-Box is definitely the less-expensive option. F-ing Schoeps and their damn expensive cables.

Tim · « **Reply #17 on:** January 20, 2004, 11:23:04 PM »

Quote from: Brian Skalinder on January 20, 2004, 11:21:34 PM

Quote from: stoopidstp on January 20, 2004, 11:19:00 PM
that's a good alternative to the nbox. good thing about the nbox is u get cables & nbox for about what you'd pay for the lemosax. just some food for thought

This is true! The N-Box is definitely the less-expensive option. F-ing Schoeps and their damn expensive cables.

if the kc5's were a few bills cheaper I'd have some already...

save · « **Reply #18 on:** January 20, 2004, 11:24:23 PM »

Quote

F-ing Schoeps and their damn expensive cables.

true dat

i'd say damn expensive everything.....if i could afford the caps after i bought the nbox this is the rig i'd be running!

mk4 > nbox > the "toy" > d100

btw here's some pics of the nbox if anybody is intersted:

http://www.expression.edu/~acoluzzi/

peace,
justin

Tim · « **Reply #19 on:** January 20, 2004, 11:28:55 PM »

awesome! hadn't seen one in person.

how much do one of these boxes run? and how are they powered?

mk4/nbox/modsbm-1 would make a sweet stealth rig...

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #20 on:** January 20, 2004, 11:32:51 PM »

There's at least one recording up on archive.org with a similar setup: MK4 > NBox > D100. Download a few tracks and give it a listen.

Tim · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2004, 01:19:25 AM »

any tracks specifically?

thanks for the link!

save · « **Reply #22 on:** January 21, 2004, 07:10:59 AM »

if i remember right from the quote i got i believe the nbox is $1300 which includes the nbox & active cables.

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #23 on:** January 21, 2004, 08:14:53 AM »

Quote from: Tim on January 21, 2004, 01:19:25 AM

any tracks specifically?

Nah, I just picked a handful at random, don't really have any specific track recommendations.

Tim · « **Reply #24 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:22:53 PM »

Quote from: Brian Skalinder on January 21, 2004, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Tim on January 21, 2004, 01:19:25 AM
any tracks specifically?

Nah, I just picked a handful at random, don't really have any specific track recommendations.

I'll give it a shot this afternoon...

Craig T · « **Reply #25 on:** January 21, 2004, 01:10:45 PM »

FYI, a little bird told me there is a variable gain Nbox in the works...

Rick · « **Reply #26 on:** January 22, 2004, 02:50:31 PM »

Quote from: Tim on January 20, 2004, 11:28:55 PM

mk4/nbox/modsbm-1 would make a sweet stealth rig...

That's me in Feb/Mar

(hopefully)

scb · « **Reply #27 on:** January 23, 2004, 06:58:04 AM »

>>however if you want to be stealth taping NOW, with a design that's been proving itself since 1990 and that is smaller than any other portable pre out there<<

it's not smaller

KC5 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 23, 2004, 08:28:18 AM »

"i'll slip you some sample tracks you'll never hear on archive.org or anywhere else. just hit me up."

those sample tracks ( shows ) alex sent me convinced me.

Craig T · « **Reply #29 on:** January 23, 2004, 02:04:43 PM »

Quote from: alex on January 23, 2004, 12:52:16 PM

taping what?

sci, bisco, smaller jazz acts,... nothing unusual.

I'm not too familiar with the AD2k, but from what he told me it sounded like the Nbox put the levels inbetween the low and high sensitivity settings of the AD2k. With the AD2k set low, levels were too low. With the AD2k set high, levels went over. Something like that.

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #30 on:** January 23, 2004, 03:24:44 PM »

Quote from: boogie on January 23, 2004, 03:04:21 PM

more importantly it sounds better than the lemoshizzle

Not to my ears. Fortunately, there are at least a couple quality stealth boxes for different ears/brains/playback systems.

Chapper · « **Reply #31 on:** January 23, 2004, 03:29:06 PM »

Quote from: Tim on January 21, 2004, 01:19:25 AM

any tracks specifically?

thanks for the link!

Didn't i see you thanking Twister for a Radiohead show? That was from an Nbox.

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #32 on:** January 23, 2004, 03:35:27 PM »

Quote from: boogie on January 23, 2004, 03:27:19 PM

run them head to head instead of comparing different shows and you will probably sing a different tune

Would love to, I enjoy running direct comps. Don't know of anyone in Cleveland with an NBox, though. The comp would reveal the different sonic characteristics, yes, but reasonable people may have different sonic preferences so it's a bit bold IMO to suggest I'll sing a different tune. A blind comp I ran between the warm-mod-UA5 and V3 revealed about 50% of people preferred the warm-mod UA5 even though the V3 is traditionally considered a superior piece of equipment.

I'll have to try to track down an NBox, would be a lot of fun to run the comp! Shoot, if you're right, I could sell the Lemosax setup and save a few bucks.

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #33 on:** January 23, 2004, 03:51:16 PM »

Good input, Boogie - thanks for the feedback. I'm just getting into the stealth game so this is all good to hear, kinda learning as I go. Hopefully I can track down a local NBox for some comps, would really like to hear these head to head.

Tim · « **Reply #34 on:** January 23, 2004, 03:59:54 PM »

Quote from: Chapper on January 23, 2004, 03:29:06 PM

Quote from: Tim on January 21, 2004, 01:19:25 AM
any tracks specifically?

thanks for the link!
Didn't i see you thanking Twister for a Radiohead show? That was from an Nbox.

yep, Brian just wanted me to check the same show as him and give some feedback, sounds like we're both on the same page.

Tim · « **Reply #35 on:** January 23, 2004, 04:01:08 PM »

oh and I could give a sh*t what the wave forms look like... it's all about how it sounds!

sgordo · « **Reply #36 on:** January 23, 2004, 05:12:11 PM »

Just want to throw out another endorsement for the rbox/nbox. I have and frequently run an rbox in stealth situations, it doesnt get much better/easier.

There have been a very few situations where the fixed gain was borderline too low (unamplified jazz @ symphony hall) but, with the sbm1 pretty much maxed out it was always more or less fine.

I can try to dig out a few good recordings with it if yall want em.

KC5 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 23, 2004, 05:21:39 PM »

always interested to hear more jazz--if you don't mind!

ingsy · « **Reply #38 on:** January 24, 2004, 12:25:09 AM »

hey all, since it is on topic, can anyone inform a newbie on where he can find more info on this nbox (bill box, rbox) i.e. who makes it, cost, etc. thanks. i did a search and couldn't find a direct link. cheers. ingsy

sgordo · « **Reply #39 on:** January 24, 2004, 05:27:59 PM »

Nick Carbonetta is currently making the Nbox (hense the N). PM me for his email addy.

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #40 on:** January 24, 2004, 07:53:23 PM »

what's the pin assignment on the schoeps active cable, or should I just start strolling on over to the archive now?

Tim · « **Reply #41 on:** January 25, 2004, 03:10:35 PM »

Quote from: boogie on January 23, 2004, 04:21:18 PM

Quote from: Tim on January 23, 2004, 04:01:08 PM
oh and I could give a sh*t what the wave forms look like... it's all about how it sounds!

you realize of course the wav form is the graphical expression of how it sounds right?

i just mention it as most people have better visual accuity than accoustic..

boogie

yeah I'm fully aware of that fact

but if I was throwing around $1100 on AUDIO equipment I'd be more concerned with how it SOUNDS than how it looks on paper (see anything ever made by core-sound)

not an endorsement or a knock on the n-box either way. I don't really do enough actual stealth work to warrant a purchase... my fob rig will be ccm4/m148/modsbm-1

pjp · « **Reply #42 on:** January 26, 2004, 07:40:43 PM »

I must say I've been very happy with my recent Nbox purchase! Here's a pic of mine in relation to some other gear:

http://www.hoarder.net/pics/gear/gear.jpg

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