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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2005, 12:57:46 PM »
ok, makes sense...now as far as mixing the two goes, does it matter which source is manipulated to get them on phase?  is there a way to figure out which of the two sources is actually out of phase?  does it matter or is it just a comparison of the two?

does this make sense?

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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2005, 01:32:43 PM »
yeah, the out of phase waveform will be visible in your speaker.  when a kick drum hits, etc the cone should push OUT, not suck IN.  Whichever one does that is out of phase.

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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2005, 01:37:25 PM »
yeah, the out of phase waveform will be visible in your speaker.  when a kick drum hits, etc the cone should push OUT, not suck IN.  Whichever one does that is out of phase.



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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2005, 02:13:13 PM »
I vaguely remember reading something about the 744T recording two sources out of phase, but I couldn't find it in any of the documentation on their website for fimware fixes, etc.  However, this is what seems to be the issue at hand, at least to me...

I think you're thinking of the Edirol issues (the R4 I think).....where all the old ones were recalled.......
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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2005, 02:27:54 PM »
So I was actually right?  I'm such a PIMP!!!

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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2005, 02:41:00 PM »
Is there a setting in the menus on the 744 to reverse the phase? Seems like I remember reading that, but hell I'm prolly way off! :P

What happens when you change the phase in WaveLab and mix? Does it fix it?
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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2005, 02:41:36 PM »

What happens when you change the phase in WaveLab and mix? Does it fix it?

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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2005, 03:25:52 PM »
When I first did the Portsmouth 4 Mic Mix I thought it was very bright no bass at all.  After Sulloway points me to this post I now know why.  When I get off of work I will check the montage files and see if I have the same issue.  I am 99.9% sure I do since I thought it was lacking bass. 

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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2005, 05:11:15 PM »
When I first did the Portsmouth 4 Mic Mix I thought it was very bright no bass at all.  After Sulloway points me to this post I now know why.  When I get off of work I will check the montage files and see if I have the same issue.  I am 99.9% sure I do since I thought it was lacking bass. 

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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2005, 05:39:34 PM »
After looking at the files again I too had the same problem.  Doing what same suggested does fix the problem.  Its like the show has life now.

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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2005, 05:42:27 PM »
Yeah, we all might have noticed it but none of us spoke up until today.  :-[ 
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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2005, 05:44:42 PM »
any sense of how to tell which source is out of phase?  it would make sense for it to be the mic-in on the 744 since that's the only piece of common gear in the two chains.  but the wavelab phase scope only seems to work when one channel is out of phase with the other in a 2 channel recording, not where both channels are out of phase.  heath's suggestion of looking at my speakers didn't really get it done. 

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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2005, 05:48:14 PM »
Yeah, we all might have noticed it but none of us spoke up until today.  :-[ 

I figured you SOB's knew what you were doing!  ;D j/k

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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2005, 05:53:41 PM »
any sense of how to tell which source is out of phase? it would make sense for it to be the mic-in on the 744 since that's the only piece of common gear in the two chains. but the wavelab phase scope only seems to work when one channel is out of phase with the other in a 2 channel recording, not where both channels are out of phase. heath's suggestion of looking at my speakers didn't really get it done.

just load each source into WL individually.  you should be able to tell based upon the previous pictures.  i'm guessing microphone in was on tracks 1+2 and the digi went to tracks 3+4?

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Re: Wavelab 5.0 - mixing 2 24/96 aud sources ?
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2005, 05:56:19 PM »
in the first pic i posted, those are unmanipulated wavs in the montage window...1+2 were mk21>v3, 3+4 were mk41>744.  i inverted the mk21 source because i didn't know and just picked one.  so comparing to those windows doesn't really give the answer does it?  what should i look for when i open them in WL?  sorry if i'm being an idiot, but well, i'm an idiot.

 

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