Topic: at853/943 (4.7k mod) directly into r09hr and/or tascam dr2d

[darktrain]

I run CA-14 cards with the 4.7mod Mic-in on DR-2D with fine results, even in loud situations; I just usually use the 40hz roll off to keep the bass from distorting.

fYI...rolloff will not prevent distortion

helps it from being too 'boomy' though

U can always roll that off in post, its probably one of the easiest filters to use, also boomy is not a issue with small diameter cards, certainly can be with omnis though

[Gil]

Thanks everyone, looks like I'll need to go to a club to do a test.  I've had good results using b-box, but it's another thing in the chain that can cause issues (technical or user error). 

@Javier I did recently have some distortion using 943's w/o the 4.7k mod (but I'm not 100% sure it wasn't a b-box issue), so now I'm only running 4.7k mods (853s and 943) for loud shows.  I remember asking about the mod for 943's awhile back and getting some lively debate.  (one of these days I'll do another club test to see if my non-modded 943's distort, just out of curiosity).

So it sounds like I would use low sensitivity settings, PIP on for both the R09hr and the dr2d (@Porno Gil, have you tried line in on the dr2d, I use the dual record mode on my dr2d).

I frequently use the line in for board feeds in addition to running my mics mic in simply because I can.

[yates7592]

Well FWIW I wouldn't run any mics without a battery box.  For that extra tiny cubic foot of gear it ain't worth trying to cut corners.

[Church-Audio]

These threads keep popping up.

Here is the deal.. I have no idea what someone means by a really loud show.. But I do know with out a proper power supply for my mics with the 4.7k mod I came up with. They will distort at a certain spl level with my mod and with a proper power supply they will handle 114 db at 1k with a THD of less than 0.6% Now unless people want to carry a db meter to measure levels... and make sure they are always in a place where the levels are below say 100db they will never know until its too late. One of the reasons why people like my mics is they can handle very high spl when properly powered.

So if you are using my mics with MY 4.7k mod then you should be using a battery box or one of my preamps with a supply voltage of more than 6 volts. Yeah you can get away with it if the show is not over 100db but that also depends on content of the signal how much bass ect. So please use a battery box or a preamp for my mics.. Or you risk getting into distortion issues.

[yates7592]

These threads keep popping up.

Here is the deal.. I have no idea what someone means by a really loud show.. But I do know with out a proper power supply for my mics with the 4.7k mod I came up with. They will distort at a certain spl level with my mod and with a proper power supply they will handle 114 db at 1k with a THD of less than 0.6% Now unless people want to carry a db meter to measure levels... and make sure they are always in a place where the levels are below say 100db they will never know until its too late. One of the reasons why people like my mics is they can handle very high spl when properly powered.

So if you are using my mics with MY 4.7k mod then you should be using a battery box or one of my preamps with a supply voltage of more than 6 volts. Yeah you can get away with it if the show is not over 100db but that also depends on content of the signal how much bass ect. So please use a battery box or a preamp for my mics.. Or you risk getting into distortion issues.

^^This.
The BB is, say, the size of a box of matches. You gaff tape the 1/8" in plug securely to your deck, put it away, no problems. Why take the risk of screwing a good show?

[2manyrocks]

Just picked up a set of AT853s with the 4.7k mod from another member.  On first impression, these mics have lower noise going through a battery box into a Sony m10.  They work without the battery box, but they seem to do better with the battery box recording off speakers at home.   

[red]

Thanks again everyone . The gaffers tape is a great idea, I'm going to order some (which I've been needing to do anyways).  So it looks like it's maybe possible to run w/o a b-box, but not advisable/optimal.

[obaaron]

If guaranteeing the best possible recording is of no concern then don't use it.  I personally got into this hobby to capture the best possible recording every time which does not allow for"cutting corners".  YMMV

[red]

em, the point of my question was simply to ask a question, not to try to "cut corners" to degrade sound.  I don't tape as frequently as many others here and I'm just trying to learn ... I appreciate everyone's input.   

[obaaron]

Yeah I could have said that better...comes off douchey now that I read it.  Its just not worth the potential risk IMO unless of course its not a loud show

[adrianf74]

Don't run without a battery box.  Even though you might be able to get away with it, that one show -- that's uber special -- will end up with distortion and that'll be that.   A battery box (especially a Church Audio Ugly Battery Box) is the smallest thing in the world to bring with you that it's stupid NOT to. 

[blg]

Don't run without a battery box.  Even though you might be able to get away with it, that one show -- that's uber special -- will end up with distortion and that'll be that.   A battery box (especially a Church Audio Ugly Battery Box) is the smallest thing in the world to bring with you that it's stupid NOT to. 

^ this. I never considered not using a bbox/ugly pre-amp when running ca14s/sp-cmc-8s.  I taped some extremely loud shows with chris' mics and they never distorted and that includes a couple of "head in stack" recordings.