Topic: PA Buzz-Is there a way to remove it?

[Tim]

thats a classic

[keyclick]

awesome.  you must be a FOH eng. or have at some point.

Thanks, no actually stage left, behind a keyboard rig...but I am intimately involved in the half of the
signal chain I describe! I joined here because I am intending to get involved in the big ">" between the
band and the recording gear. Putting together a R-09 based rig to record bands I play with, and perhaps
some other concerts, etc. Great resource here :-)

Greg 

[cshepherd]

Its funny, tapers spend a great deal of time optimizing their 'signal chain' as it were, but still
have little or no control of over half of the actual total signal chain...

Noisy Guitar pickup > crappy beer soaked cables> Buzzy tube amp > torn speaker driver>
banged up Shure SM58> crappy beersoaked cable> Snake> Behringer Mixer > Ground Loops, digital noise, SCR noise from lighting system> Power Amp> Ratty Speaker Cables> Poorly placed, under powered Pa cabinets> Air conditioners/fans> noisy audience> Then to taper's gear!

And some of us still manage to make good recordings.     Welcome aboard.  Great Post.

Chris

[gratefulphish]

Its funny, tapers spend a great deal of time optimizing their 'signal chain' as it were, but still
have little or no control of over half of the actual total signal chain...

Noisy Guitar pickup > crappy beer soaked cables> Buzzy tube amp > torn speaker driver>
banged up Shure SM58> crappy beersoaked cable> Snake> Behringer Mixer > Ground Loops, digital noise, SCR noise from lighting system> Power Amp> Ratty Speaker Cables> Poorly placed, under powered Pa cabinets> Air conditioners/fans> noisy audience> Then to taper's gear!

I taped that show in March, and will be posting it to the archive shortly.     Great, but sadly true, analysis of the all too frequent state of affairs.  All you possibly missed was beersoaked audience, and potentially beersoaked gear.  Thanks for the suggestions.  I will experiment with them when I have some time, and will let you know what did and didn't work.

[ianstone]

Its funny, tapers spend a great deal of time optimizing their 'signal chain' as it were, but still
have little or no control of over half of the actual total signal chain...

Noisy Guitar pickup > crappy beer soaked cables> Buzzy tube amp > torn speaker driver>
banged up Shure SM58> crappy beersoaked cable> Snake> Behringer Mixer > Ground Loops, digital noise, SCR noise from lighting system> Power Amp> Ratty Speaker Cables> Poorly placed, under powered Pa cabinets> Air conditioners/fans> noisy audience> Then to taper's gear!

isn't that what makes this hobby so much fun and challenging though?

If the conditions were optimal, we'd be in a studio. and we wouldn't be tapers, we'd be engineers.

we would isolate instruments, use high quality mics on amps and use signal processing, and post production to put it all together and clean it up.


if you can make a good recording of noisy guitar pickup>beer soaked cables>etc... you're a good taper.

[gratefulphish]

isn't that what makes this hobby so much fun and challenging though?

If the conditions were optimal, we'd be in a studio. and we wouldn't be tapers, we'd be engineers.

we would isolate instruments, use high quality mics on amps and use signal processing, and post production to put it all together and clean it up.


if you can make a good recording of noisy guitar pickup>beer soaked cables>etc... you're a good taper.

Well said Ian.  It's easy to tape in an easy setting, it's the tough ones that separate the men from the boys.

[cshepherd]

We have to invest thousands just to get a recording that sounds like hundreds.

Chris

[Brian]

awesome.  you must be a FOH eng. or have at some point.

Thanks, no actually stage left, behind a keyboard rig...but I am intimately involved in the half of the
signal chain I describe! I joined here because I am intending to get involved in the big ">" between the
band and the recording gear. Putting together a R-09 based rig to record bands I play with, and perhaps
some other concerts, etc. Great resource here :-)

Greg 

right on....welcome!

[gratefulphish]

Thanks, no actually stage left, behind a keyboard rig...but I am intimately involved in the half of the
signal chain I describe! I joined here because I am intending to get involved in the big ">" between the
band and the recording gear. Putting together a R-09 based rig to record bands I play with, and perhaps
some other concerts, etc. Great resource here :-)

Greg 

You don't see a lot of musician tapers.  Too many things to deal with, both playing and recording.  If you have a good clamp spot for mics, that can't possibly be bumped, and run your cables back to your deck, it might not be too much of a hassle, but you probably want to avoid just recording from small board setups, just because of the imbalance between instruments, or total lack in many cases.  Loved your description.  This is a great place to ask for and receive help.  +T

[1westkc3]

google "Nyquist Plug-ins" in order to find a notch filter tool (filename is 'notch.ny').  Once you get the file, put it in your .../Audacity/Plug-Ins directory, so that it will then show up in Audacity's "Effect" tab.

What's the trick to launching the plug-ins?  I searched and found what I wanted.  Downloaded them to the Audacity folder on my PC.  Extracted the files to the same folder but when I launch Audaity they don't appear in the effects tab. 

[capnhook]

google "Nyquist Plug-ins" in order to find a notch filter tool (filename is 'notch.ny').  Once you get the file, put it in your .../Audacity/Plug-Ins directory, so that it will then show up in Audacity's "Effect" tab.

What's the trick to launching the plug-ins?  I searched and found what I wanted.  Downloaded them to the Audacity folder on my PC.  Extracted the files to the same folder but when I launch Audaity they don't appear in the effects tab. 

Pretty sure you have to put 'notch.ny' into the .../Audacity/Plug-Ins folder (not the .../Audacity folder) for it to show up on the effects tab..............do you also have a ...Audacity/Nyquist folder with a bunch of ".lsp" files in it?  I think it comes with the standard installation........I'll do some checking.

[1westkc3]

"Pretty sure you have to put 'notch.ny' into the .../Audacity/Plug-Ins folder..."  That's exactly where they are but they don't appear in the effects tab.

[capnhook]

"Pretty sure you have to put 'notch.ny' into the .../Audacity/Plug-Ins folder..."  That's exactly where they are but they don't appear in the effects tab.

Audacity 1.2.4?

I just checked a couple of times, now......if I take the 'notch.ny' file out of the .../Audacity/Plug-Ins folder, it is removed from the effects tab.  Put it back in ----- notch filter shows back up again (near the bottom of the frame) .  Hmmmmm......

I'll do some more checking.......

[1westkc3]

Yes, Audacity version is 1.2.4

[capnhook]

Yes, Audacity version is 1.2.4

This is how I did it......don't know why yours bombs   

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/plugins