Topic: for VSA owners

[Nick's Picks]

fuck ya.
sounds like last Saturday night.

Carls pulled pork sandwhich..

a layer of homemade BBQ, topped w/the pork..then smothered in a spicey vineger.  add a heaping pile of KFC cole-slaw on top and viola!  you'll be up shitting your pants all night.  awesome.

[carlbeck]

Nick, are you ABSOLUTELY sure it was the pulled pork that made you shit your pants all night? Just checking, I was fine 

[Nick's Picks]

who knows...
all I know is that it was the best fucking pork sangie i've had in memory.
AND...even if I shit 5x as much, i'd still eat it.  it was that good.

[BJ]

damn, a hot tub and pulled pork... that sounds like a good damn time

ha...sounds kinda homoerotic without the full thread context...

have fun guys...Wish I could make it up there....

[wboswell]

Yeah.  Sounds great.  Bunch of drunk, BBQ filled dudes in a hot tub talking about gear.  I can only imagine the line of girls waiting to get in to that party.

[Nick's Picks]

LOL !!!!

[Craig T]

yep.  I've been bi-wiring my VR4's from day 1.   

[Mic D]

I can only imagine the line of girls waiting to get in to that party.

My thoughts, exactly!

[Nick's Picks]

not bi-wiring...but two pairs of speaker cable.  seperates for each module.

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

not bi-wiring...but two pairs of speaker cable.  seperates for each module.

Isn't that a form of biwiring called shotgunning? 

[Craig T]

biwire/shotgun... what you're saying is what I'm doing.  I'm running two separate pairs of speaker cable (pair to each module), not a single "internal" bi-wire pair.  I'm running Speltz Anti-Cables right now.  http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue18/anticables.htm

not bi-wiring...but two pairs of speaker cable.  seperates for each module.

Isn't that a form of biwiring called shotgunning? 

[Nick's Picks]

aaahhhh...

i dont really know if there is an official term for quad cables.
"bi-wirring" refferes to the cable having 4 outputs on one end...afaik.
that is how they are sold.  i've never seen them listed as bi-wire = two pairs.

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

I've read different things so maybe there is some confusion on my part.  My understanding is that if you have one cable with two conductors within a sheath, that is a single "wire".   If you have a pair of independent conductors (one signal and one return), that is called a "shotgun" run.  If you have two paths from the amp to the speakers (one for the upper and one for the lower) that is bi-wire.  So a regular bi-wire is two cables and a shotgunned bi-wire is four independent cables.

Those Speltz cables are a shotgun pair.  Biwiring using two sets of those is shotgun bi-wire.  That is supposed to be the ultimate.

In my case, I had been using MIT MH750 for the Thiels and Tara Lab TSII to my sub.  According to my understanding above, the former is a single run and the latter are shotgun single run.  Since I took the sub out of the system, what I have now is a cluster fuck bi-wire: non shotgun to the monitors and shotgun to the bass cabinets. 

I tried both ways - using the data-links and biwired, and I heard an improvement with the bi-wire arrangement over the single wire arrangement.  I also tried swapping the Taras and the MITs between the two cabinets and I do not recall hearing any significant difference.     

Lately I've been really happy with the CVH Pulsar and the Z-Squared ICs.   Chris is supposed to announce a new speaker cable in the next month or so.  I want to try those or the Z-Squared (but I'm sort of afraid to call Z-Squared for a quote).

[bkirby]

I thought bi-wire was like taking a Canare 4S11 and have one connector for the red wires, and one for the white on one end, and having four separate connectors for each individual wire on the other end. This is how I have my theater system hooked up. What is better and how did I screw this up?

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

If there are four conductors in the sheath, one pair for the uppers and one pair for the lowers at the speaker and the four conductors attached to the amp at the other end, that is bi-wire but not shotgun.  There are lots of commercial bi-wire that are made just like that. 

The shotgun is supposed to be better because the conductors are seperated by a non-trivial amount of air preventing the signals on each wire from interacting.  When all the wires are bound very close together within a single sheath, the EM fields interact. 

Ive seen some cables that use a single pair of conductors from the amp and then split the conductors into two pair of tails.  That is not technically a bi-wire according to my understanding but I've heard wires like that called bi-wire.  I can't imagine that you get any improvement from a split tail.

Edit:  Another thing that makes this confusing for me is that there are companies like MIT that label their products "shotgun" yet you get a single big-ass garden hose cable with all the wire bound inside a single sheath.